[DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant

Raymond Grote musicalman1 at comcast.net
Mon May 9 20:36:39 EDT 2011 

That was what I meant by the samantha and Daniel voices. Is that the 
vocalizer engine?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant


> Yeah, I don't mind the Vocalizer synth but the Samantha voice (on the
> Stream and IPod/iPad) sounds like a smoker, and the UK English is even
> more breathy sounding! But yes it's very clear and leaves hardly any
> footprint on the system.
>
> Alex
>
> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Some use Eloquence, but even that is getting rarer now. They're moving on 
>> to
>> the vocalizer thing from real Speak i believe, the voice that comes with 
>> the
>> Victor Stream. Personally I hate that voice. It's too breathy and hoarse.
>> But it is very clear.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:09 PM
>> Subject: [DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant
>>
>>
>>> Hi, changed the subj line to be more on topic.
>>> Here's an article i found explaining Force's DT release
>>>
>>> http://thing1.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7167587442.html
>>>
>>> What I find sort of sad is that DT has hardly been used in GPS systems
>>> and navigators, at least as far as I know. Most companies use the
>>> bulky sampled speech synthesizers like Ivona, AT&T voices, Loquendo,
>>> etc. Sure, DT isn't the most realistic synth, but at least it's
>>> understandable and runs more responsive on less taxing hardware
>>> requirements.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On 5/9/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I believe Force took over DT in early 2000 and released 4.61. They
>>>> claim in the 4.61 documentation that it's the first release of DT in
>>>> almost four years.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On 5/9/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> He'd probably be so frustrated that he'd go on this list and develop
>>>>> KlattTalk from scratch and be a very active member in helping port
>>>>> this awesome synth to as many platforms as humanly possible. DECTalk
>>>>> on the iPhone anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Fonix and Force made some big no-nos in my opinion but they do make
>>>>> for some funny skits! :D
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Well,, to be fair, Force destroyed it to begin with. I heard that the
>>>>>> original Dectalk code was lost so Fonix had to work with what Force
>>>>>> gave
>>>>>> them or something. But still. I wonder what Dennis Klatt would say or
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> he was around to see that. Maybe I don't want to know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:48 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Access 32 On Windows 7
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, FonixTalk was a pretty big insult to DECTalk; I'm glad they at
>>>>>>> least renamed it before slaughtering it.  I bet I'd like FonixTalk 
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> I hadn't heard the awesomeness of DECTAlk, but I did, so FTalk is
>>>>>>> pretty lame compared to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dont bother with support unless you need to confirm  something you
>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>> expected. Some of the people there are very helpful but some of 
>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> say, are just awful.
>>>>>>>> I wish Fonix would get involved. I don't see how they can let 
>>>>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> die out. It's old, yes, but if we have to do something that Fonix
>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>> doing, then something is not quite right.
>>>>>>>> What is Fonix doing now anyway? Maybe they are working on something
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> that will make as big of a mark on speech synthesis?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:39 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Access 32 On Windows 7
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmm. Sounds like FS is being more jerky than before. I tried with
>>>>>>>>> JAWS
>>>>>>>>> 11 back in the day, and it worked just fine considering the
>>>>>>>>> circumstances. I mean, nobody should have to uninstall a synth to
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> another one working. I wish I could be more help, but I've not 
>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>> JAWS in forever (except an old Windows 2000 machine that has JAWS
>>>>>>>>> 8).
>>>>>>>>> I guess the only thing to do is bug FS to death about it until 
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> actually do something. Oh, and that's not an easy task given my 
>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>> experiences with a PAC Mate. Ever been told how to propperly write
>>>>>>>>> Braille by an FS official? Pretty over the line.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> When I tried starting JAWS after uninstalling Eloquence with the
>>>>>>>>>> latest DECtalk drivers installed, I got an error saying shared
>>>>>>>>>> components were missing.  Am I not doing something correctly?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> with the original release of jaws 10 you don't need to do that
>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> worked then. however, if it's a later version you probably need 
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried uninstalling Eloquence, with the JAWS 12 Access 32 
>>>>>>>>>>>> driver
>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>> in, and I am still getting the shared components error.  I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>> try this with JAWS 10 and see what happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that, Brandon...I didn't try going back to the JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Access 32 driver.  I'll try that and let you guys know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, before you did that did you replace the access 32 jaws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one you got out of jaws 10 still there? think you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver that is in with jaws 12 to get this to work. me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i have a dectalk u s b otherwise, i would still be sending fs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken access 32 support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2011, at 1:25 AM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I got an error from JAWS 12 when I tried starting JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uninstalling Eloquence.  What version did you try this with,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have this problem?  Thanks, Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Alex!  I'll give that a shot!  If I have trouble,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall JAWS--I also have NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try uninstalling Eloquence. It's a dirty rotten hack, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, it's perminent, so DT only gets used.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I did this when I still used JAWS, there was some 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wierd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parameter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values and I had to play with the rate and pitch sliders 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snap back into action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/7/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just recently obtained a copy of DECtalk Access 32 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the version of DECtalk distributed with Kurzweil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there any way of making it work with JAWS on Windows 7?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs--it shows as running in task manager--but it is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with JAWS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
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