[DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant

Mon May 9 21:08:05 EDT 2011

Hi,

Well, there's Realspeak which has Daniel and Samantha voices, these
voices are gargly at high rates and are based off of true human speech
and are made by Nuance. Then there's the mobile or imbedded version
that runs on the iPhone. So yes it is a Nuance product but not
Realspeak.

Alex

On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
> That was what I meant by the samantha and Daniel voices. Is that the
> vocalizer engine?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant
>
>
>> Yeah, I don't mind the Vocalizer synth but the Samantha voice (on the
>> Stream and IPod/iPad) sounds like a smoker, and the UK English is even
>> more breathy sounding! But yes it's very clear and leaves hardly any
>> footprint on the system.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Some use Eloquence, but even that is getting rarer now. They're moving on
>>>
>>> to
>>> the vocalizer thing from real Speak i believe, the voice that comes with
>>> the
>>> Victor Stream. Personally I hate that voice. It's too breathy and hoarse.
>>> But it is very clear.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:09 PM
>>> Subject: [DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, changed the subj line to be more on topic.
>>>> Here's an article i found explaining Force's DT release
>>>>
>>>> http://thing1.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7167587442.html
>>>>
>>>> What I find sort of sad is that DT has hardly been used in GPS systems
>>>> and navigators, at least as far as I know. Most companies use the
>>>> bulky sampled speech synthesizers like Ivona, AT&T voices, Loquendo,
>>>> etc. Sure, DT isn't the most realistic synth, but at least it's
>>>> understandable and runs more responsive on less taxing hardware
>>>> requirements.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On 5/9/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I believe Force took over DT in early 2000 and released 4.61. They
>>>>> claim in the 4.61 documentation that it's the first release of DT in
>>>>> almost four years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> He'd probably be so frustrated that he'd go on this list and develop
>>>>>> KlattTalk from scratch and be a very active member in helping port
>>>>>> this awesome synth to as many platforms as humanly possible. DECTalk
>>>>>> on the iPhone anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fonix and Force made some big no-nos in my opinion but they do make
>>>>>> for some funny skits! :D
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Well,, to be fair, Force destroyed it to begin with. I heard that the
>>>>>>> original Dectalk code was lost so Fonix had to work with what Force
>>>>>>> gave
>>>>>>> them or something. But still. I wonder what Dennis Klatt would say or
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> he was around to see that. Maybe I don't want to know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:48 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Access 32 On Windows 7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, FonixTalk was a pretty big insult to DECTalk; I'm glad they at
>>>>>>>> least renamed it before slaughtering it.  I bet I'd like FonixTalk
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> I hadn't heard the awesomeness of DECTAlk, but I did, so FTalk is
>>>>>>>> pretty lame compared to it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dont bother with support unless you need to confirm  something you
>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>> expected. Some of the people there are very helpful but some of
>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> say, are just awful.
>>>>>>>>> I wish Fonix would get involved. I don't see how they can let
>>>>>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> die out. It's old, yes, but if we have to do something that Fonix
>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>> doing, then something is not quite right.
>>>>>>>>> What is Fonix doing now anyway? Maybe they are working on something
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>> that will make as big of a mark on speech synthesis?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:39 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Access 32 On Windows 7
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hmm. Sounds like FS is being more jerky than before. I tried with
>>>>>>>>>> JAWS
>>>>>>>>>> 11 back in the day, and it worked just fine considering the
>>>>>>>>>> circumstances. I mean, nobody should have to uninstall a synth to
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> another one working. I wish I could be more help, but I've not
>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>> JAWS in forever (except an old Windows 2000 machine that has JAWS
>>>>>>>>>> 8).
>>>>>>>>>> I guess the only thing to do is bug FS to death about it until
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> actually do something. Oh, and that's not an easy task given my
>>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>> experiences with a PAC Mate. Ever been told how to propperly write
>>>>>>>>>> Braille by an FS official? Pretty over the line.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> When I tried starting JAWS after uninstalling Eloquence with the
>>>>>>>>>>> latest DECtalk drivers installed, I got an error saying shared
>>>>>>>>>>> components were missing.  Am I not doing something correctly?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the original release of jaws 10 you don't need to do that
>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> worked then. however, if it's a later version you probably need
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried uninstalling Eloquence, with the JAWS 12 Access 32
>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in, and I am still getting the shared components error.  I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try this with JAWS 10 and see what happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that, Brandon...I didn't try going back to the JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Access 32 driver.  I'll try that and let you guys know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, before you did that did you replace the access 32 jaws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one you got out of jaws 10 still there? think you have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver that is in with jaws 12 to get this to work. me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i have a dectalk u s b otherwise, i would still be sending fs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken access 32 support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2011, at 1:25 AM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I got an error from JAWS 12 when I tried starting JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uninstalling Eloquence.  What version did you try this with,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have this problem?  Thanks, Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Alex!  I'll give that a shot!  If I have trouble,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall JAWS--I also have NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try uninstalling Eloquence. It's a dirty rotten hack, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, it's perminent, so DT only gets used.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I did this when I still used JAWS, there was some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wierd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parameter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values and I had to play with the rate and pitch sliders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snap back into action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/7/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just recently obtained a copy of DECtalk Access 32 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the version of DECtalk distributed with Kurzweil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there any way of making it work with JAWS on Windows 7?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs--it shows as running in task manager--but it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with JAWS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
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