[DECtalk] Any news?

Brandon Misch bmisch2002 at gmail.com
Thu May 5 09:57:15 EDT 2011


that's good 

On May 5, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Dectalk at aol.com wrote:

> Well if people are happy, that's all Blake and I care about. 
>  
>  
> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>  
> In a message dated 5/5/2011 8:33:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bmisch2002 at gmail.com writes:
> i'm sure it will work and stuff will be improved like i said for a screen reader voice it sounds ok. kind of sounds like Mobile speak on cell phones. 
> 
> On May 5, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Raymond Grote wrote:
> 
> > Good idea.
> > I just wish we could all have confidence and get into the mind set that 
> > there is another way and that it may just happen one of these days.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
> > To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 6:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
> > 
> > 
> > The programmers working on the SAPI version should be left out of our
> > further discussions of what is wanted of DECtalk. Pls do not mention
> > them again. The issue is closed.
> > 
> > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:59 AM,  <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
> >> The problem is, Blake and I have done that. We sent a sample of version
> >> 4.40 to the head programmer to show how things should sound. We got an
> >> e-mail back saying our version sounded corrupted. This person actually 
> >> said
> >> that Whispering Wendy shouldn't be whispering. Hello, why does this person
> >> think the name is "Whispering Wendy"?
> >> 
> >> It is totally clear to Blake and I that this person doesn't know Dectalk.
> >> And if version 4.40 is viewed as corrupted, there is no hope if getting
> >> anything right.
> >> 
> >> So because of this, I'm hoping the project gets scrapped because this is
> >> becoming in insult to Dennis Klatt.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> SNOOPI BOTTEN
> >> 
> >> In a message dated 5/5/2011 12:31:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> bmisch2002 at gmail.com writes:
> >> 
> >> maybe you should send the demo file over to the guys so they could hear 
> >> that
> >> and how the other voices sound.
> >> 
> >> On May 4, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Alex H. wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I wouldn't give up just yet. All they need to do is convince this guy
> >>> that he's wrong and there is a huge, huge difference in this version
> >>> and the real 4.3 version. This new stuff reminds me of a early age
> >>> FonixTalk or something with a lot of excess nasal tones.
> >>> 
> >>> Alex
> >>> 
> >>> On 5/4/11, johnnybrl at gmail.com <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Well, since it looks like there won't be a Sapi Dectalk, guess it's time
> >>>> to
> >>>> look at Neospeech voices or ivona voices. It's too bad the head
> >>>> programer
> >>>> can't tell the difference between the Dectalk 4.6 and Dectalk 4.3
> >>>> versions.
> >>>> 
> >>>> O well, was really looking forward to a Sapi version of Dectalk.
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Blake Roberts" <beroberts at hughes.net>
> >>>> To: "'DECtalk Discussions'" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:06 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Thanks Alex for being the latest list member to point out need for
> >>>>> improvement. I agree with you that there are clipping/ drop-out issues.
> >>>>> Additionally, I agree the SAPI Dectalk referred to as 4.3 is unlike any
> >>>>> version of Dectalk I have ever heard. I, too, am unwilling to give up 
> >>>>> on
> >>>>> SAPI Dectalk.
> >>>>> Blake
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com
> >>>>> [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Alex H.
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:59 PM
> >>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Just heard the demo, and.... Well, I agree with Snoopi, it's terrible.
> >>>>> I don't know who was telling you that nothing's wrong, but this doesn't
> >>>>> sound even remotely like any DECTalk version I've heard.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> That being said, the Huge Harry voice is kinda cool, but yeah there's
> >>>>> some
> >>>>> issues with clipping and dropouts in the voices, especially with Ursula
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> Rita.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I don't think we should give up quite yet though, good things come to
> >>>>> those
> >>>>> who wait. Giving up on this would mean that I and other users of NVDA
> >>>>> wouldn't be able to enjoy DECTalk's great speech.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Alex
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On 5/4/11, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> One clarification. From what I understand, Enable didn't purchase the
> >>>>>> rights to any DECtalk version. They only have the right to sell, not
> >>>>>> full copyright. As I understand it, the copyright of DECtalk is still
> >>>>>> held by Fonix. I could be wrong though, I'm no lawyer.
> >>>>>> Jayson
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Brandon Misch" <bmisch2002 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:28 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> it also was 4.6.7 at one time. i doubt this project will please
> >>>>>> everyone.
> >>>>>> all we know is enable rehab purchased the wrights to 4.6.7 from fonix
> >>>>>> and trying to use that with the 4.3 data files wasn't a good idea.
> >>>>>> question is did this happen with other versions of dectalk? or just
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>> this version?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Raymond Grote wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Yes, but many people miss the old dectalk 4.3 days. I really never
> >>>>>>> got into dectalk, but I can see why. That version of the synth and I
> >>>>>>> stilll do
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> have a special place together even though I was never a regular
> >>>>>>> dectalk user. The major disappointment for many of us is it doesn't
> >>>>>>> sound like that, it's worse, and to some of us it is unusable. From
> >>>>>>> my understanding,
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> someone had posted that the synth was supposed to sound like 4.6.4,
> >>>>>>> then somewhere along the line it was changed to 4.3?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
> >>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:21 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> if this was fixed up, it could still be used as a sapi 5 synth.
> >>>>>>> that's all
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> it needs for it to be a screen reader voice.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:13 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> cool just heard the demo. And yes it doesn't sound like 4.3 but the
> >>>>>>>> Paul voice sounds pretty cool.
> >>>>>>>> And Frank doesn't sound too bad either. It kind of reminds me of
> >>>>>>>> the fonix talk demo. sounds almost like that.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> And it sounds like this version of dectalk has more inflection than
> >>>>>>>> 4.3 did, which I like. I like lots of inflection in synthes, makes
> >>>>>>>> them sound
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> cool lol.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Back in high school, we had a computer with Jaws with a Dectalk
> >>>>>>>> express hooked up to it, and I used to go in there and make Dectalk
> >>>>>>>> say things lol.
> >>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
> >>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:52 AM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> if you read below our messages, you'll see a link to a file with the
> >>>>>>>> demo
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> inside. if you just want to use paul and a few others, it works but
> >>>>>>>> not for all voices.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:45 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> hi, where did you guys get the audio samples of the sapi dectalk
> >>>>>>>>> from?
> >>>>>>>>> sounds like you guys have already heard it.
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
> >>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:37 AM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> ok some of the voices work while others don't. i can see what you
> >>>>>>>>> meant by bad quality.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Dectalk at aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> The above link is the sample that people wanted. Blake and I are
> >>>>>>>>>> both told that there is no problem. Tell that to our ears.
> >>>>>>>>>> (YUCK)
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 11:16:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>>>>>>>>> edbruckert at gmail.com writes:
> >>>>>>>>>> All that means is what you are sent is not acceptable don't worry
> >>>>>>>>>> it'll
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> be solved I promise at this point in my life I need it as much as
> >>>>>>>>>> anybody else
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM, <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Brace yourselves because I don't think you guys will like it. The
> >>>>>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> worst voice is Kit. I'd do the recording for you guys but I
> >>>>>>>>>> really don't want to be linked with this pour Dectalk quality.
> >>>>>>>>>> Have
> >>>>> fun guys.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 9:10:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>>>>>>>>> ratguy at insightbb.com writes:
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Here's a sample text. I assume you can use DECtalk commands in the
> >>>>>>>>>> text? An
> >>>>>>>>>> MP3 of the 4.3 speak application performing this exact text can be
> >>>>>>>>>> found at
> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3
> >>>>>>>>>> Now here's the text.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> [:phoneme on]
> >>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
> >>>>>>>>>> Hello. This is the factory default Paul voice.
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm talking now with this voice since this is what most people are
> >>>>>>>>>> probably going to be using. Let's speed it up a bit.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:ra 300]
> >>>>>>>>>> This is probably how Jayson's JFW would talk normally. Now let's
> >>>>>>>>>> put some intonation in there.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:dv pr 250] [:dv sr 50]
> >>>>>>>>>> Okay, this is how Jayson used to listen to DECtalk back in the
> >>>>>>>>>> good old
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> DOS
> >>>>>>>>>> days. With 4.3 and earlier, if you could get used to this which
> >>>>>>>>>> you would over time, this sounds pretty good! It'd take some
> >>>>>>>>>> getting used to again, not having had it for so long.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
> >>>>>>>>>> The rest of this demo was created a few months ago to compair and
> >>>>>>>>>> test the various other factory voices and several custom voices in
> >>>>>>>>>> different DECtalk versions.
> >>>>>>>>>> I will now test the other voices.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nb] I'm Beautiful Betty, the default female voice.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nh] I'm Huge Harry.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nd] I'm Doctor Dennis.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nf] I'm Frail Frank.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nu] I'm Uppity Ursula.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nr] I'm Rough Rita.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nw] I'm Whispering Wendy.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nk] and I'm Kit the Kid.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:np]
> >>>>>>>>>> Now I'll let the DECtalk manual describe us.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:np] Perfect Paul Standard male voice.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nb] Beautiful Betty Standard female voice.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nh] Huge Harry Deep male voice.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nf] Frail Frank Older male voice.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nk] Kit the Kid Child's voice (about 10 years
> >>>>>>>>>> old).
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nr] Rough Rita Deep female voice.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nu] Uppity Ursula Light female voice.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nd] Doctor Dennis Breathy male voice.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nw] Whispering Wendy Whispery female voice.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> [:np]
> >>>>>>>>>> Okay, let's test a few custom voices.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:dv br 0 la 0 sr 100 hr 100 ap 150 pr 95] [:ra 220] This is
> >>>>>>>>>> the voice of Rimmer from Red Dwarf.
> >>>>>>>>>> Lister, we are being tested! I don't know what to do!
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:ra 240] [:dv br 0 hs 95 ap 100 as 100 pr 220 hr 30 sr 30]
> >>>>>>>>>> This is Lister.
> >>>>>>>>>> Rimmer! Come over here and help me with this new speech
> >>>>>>>>>> synthesizer!
> >>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 sm 0 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220]
> >>>>>>>>>> This is Holly.
> >>>>>>>>>> This is an important announcement. All persons aboard this ship
> >>>>>>>>>> are to report to the voice calibration office at once. That is 
> >>>>>>>>>> all.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv br 100 lx 100 bf 100 hr 100 sr 100 as 100 qu 100 ap 110
> >>>>>>>>>> pr 150 sx
> >>>>>>>>>> 1 la 0] [:ra 210] This is the voice of the toaster.
> >>>>>>>>>> I don't know where this voice calibration office is. Does anyone
> >>>>>>>>>> want some toast?
> >>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv sm 1 hs 90 br 0 ri 0 la 0] [:ra 250] I'm the cat.
> >>>>>>>>>> Who says my voice needs to be calibrated? I want fishies!
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nd] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220] I'm
> >>>>>>>>>> Queeg 500.
> >>>>>>>>>> None of you have any credit, so you may not use the voice
> >>>>>>>>>> calibrator.
> >>>>>>>>>> [:nu] [:dv as 1 bf 10 la 30 nf 10 ri 100 sm 50 hr 100 sr 20 ap
> >>>>>>>>>> 130] [:ra 240] I'm the newer voice of Holly.
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm picking something up. It's another ship. Its name is Deck Talk
> >>>>>>>>>> or something very close. They have been conducting an experiment
> >>>>>>>>>> on us all
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>> time. That would explain why we've been saying all these silly
> >>>>>>>>>> things.
> >>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>> knew I was having trouble finding a record of any voice
> >>>>>>>>>> calibration office on Red Dwarf.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:02 AM
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> HI Jayson,
> >>>>>>>>>>> I will do that. Could you suggest some sample sentences to
> >>>>>>>>>>> synthesize?
> >>>>>>>>>>> We're trying to find a way to put a "demo play" button on the
> >>>>>>>>>>> Enable website so people can type in any text they'd like to
> >>>>>>>>>>> hear, but our programmer hasn't been able to spend time on that
> >>>>> project right now.
> >>>>>>>>>>> corine
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jayson Smith
> >>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any audio samples you could share? Maybe I could
> >>>>>>>>>>>> elaborate on what people don't like. I pretty much know what DT
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 sounds like.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:53 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> i meant - i can't hear the differences, not being so attuned to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the various DT versions. i can hear ok, but i'm not clear on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the differences in quality.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jayson Smith
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wo, you actually got 4.3 working with SAPI? What kind of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality problems are there?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:14 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still waiting for one of the "old" (not chronologically,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just in terms of contact with DT) to send some more versions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for testing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 and 4.67 work in SAPI fine but preliminary listening
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results indicate dissatisfaction.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jayson Smith
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, it's broken record time. Anything new going on with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SAPI DECtalk?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't heard anything in a while.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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