[DECtalk] a decent speech synthesizer for primary use
mattias
mjonsson1986 at gmail.com
Sun Aug 31 12:44:43 EDT 2014
i solved it
must say it sounds robotic
Carlos Fernandez via Dectalk skrev den 2014-08-31 18:37:
> OK. To solve this problem, you will need the sapi4 engine. You can
> find this in the BTSync share. Look in the software folder, then
> sapi_software, and install the file sapi4engine.exe. Then, you can
> install any voices and try the NVDA synthesizer. You might have to
> restart NVDA for the changes to take effect. If you have problems,
> just let me know.
>
> Carlos
> On 8/31/2014 10:53, mattias via Dectalk wrote:
>> i dont have the option
>> only sapi5
>> or will it work on win8
>> Blake Roberts via Dectalk skrev den 2014-08-31 17:43:
>>> Chatterbox should start talking after you install it and select SAPI
>>> version
>>> 4 in the NVDA synthesizer list.
>>> Blake
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dectalk [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of
>>> mattias via Dectalk
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:01 AM
>>> To: DECtalk
>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] a decent speech synthesizer for primary use
>>>
>>> how to actually get the tts working?
>>> win8
>>> Jim Hunt via Dectalk skrev den 2014-08-31 16:26:
>>>> Very well said Alex. For those who quivel about the legalities of
>>>> abandonware ... who cares? The point here is that SoftVoice is
>>> abandonware.
>>>> Abandonware is software that has been and is abandoned and no longer
>>>> supported. Some of the companies who developed abandonware are no
>>>> longer
>>>> even in existence anymore. (As a side note, there is a BT Sync
>>>> archive
>>>> dedicated to abandonware games.) Folks, as long as there's an
>>>> interest in
>>>> playing with these older synths, I say, friends, play away!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dectalk [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf
>>>> Of Alex
>>>> H. via Dectalk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 10:14 AM
>>>> To: DECtalk
>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] a decent speech synthesizer for primary use
>>>>
>>>> I'll say something and I hope you're reading carefully.
>>>>
>>>> Please stop asking if everything is legal. Most people will
>>>> disregard your
>>>> message anyway, as legal/illegal software is a touchy topic for some
>>> people,
>>>> and honestly, it gets old that you ask after every message. Read
>>>> licenses,
>>>> and either care to follow them, or don't.
>>>> That's entirely up to you.
>>>>
>>>> I believe the Softvoice corp is long dead, so for all purposes just
>>>> keep
>>>> using it. It's antiquated and 16-bit stuff that works with SAPI4.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/14, brandon T via Dectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that the Chatterbox voice has some things wrong, but it is
>>>>> working pretty well for me. I have the new driver.
>>>>>
>>>>> How can this be free and legal if it is based on a commercial
>>>>> product,
>>>>> Softvoice, that was not free?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to any
>>>>> assistance
>>>>> you are willing to provide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandon Tyson
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/30/14, Alex H. via Dectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Chatterbox has issues and reads numbers as single digits, e.g., 301
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> 3 0 1.It also breaks when using the shift key to pause or start
>>>>>> typing. I modified the sapi4 NVDA driver about 2 years ago, but cant
>>>>>> find the file now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use Vocalizer or Orpheus or espeak these days, with some Eloquence
>>>>>> in their too. My DEC USB is at home sadly, so I can't use it
>>>>>> currently. I avoid synths with issues, but they're fun to play with
>>>>>> for sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/30/14, brandon T via Dectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with you on that it sounds like Softvoice. Do you think
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> would have intentionally modified the license file to make us think
>>>>>>> it was free?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to a response.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> BRANDON TYSON
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/30/14, Jake Gross via Dectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This synth sounds like softvoice, an abandonware speech
>>>>>>>> synthesizer
>>>>>>>> that wasn't free.
>>>>>>>> I assumed this was a sapi4 version.
>>>>>>>> Maybe chatterbox uses similar speech technology.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: brandon T via Dectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com Date sent: Sat, 30 Aug 2014
>>>>>>>> 18:49:35 -0400
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] a decent speech synthesizer for primary use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The license.txt file says that we are able to redistribute this
>>>>>>>> freely, and it also says that we got this for free. So, do you
>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>> if I please ask how this is abandonware please?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/30/14, Jake Gross via Dectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> To me, Nv speech player sounds similar to Infovox 230 , and
>>>>>>>> Monologue sounds like Doubletalk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: brandon T via Dectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com Date sent: Sat, 30 Aug
>>>>>>>> 2014 00:29:19 -0400
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] a decent speech synthesizer for primary
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, if I read the license correctly, it said something about I
>>>>>>>> can redistribute this software and that it's free, why does it
>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>> that if it's abandonware? It says that in the license.txt file.
>>>>>>>> How do you know that the modified sapi4.py file is legal?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/30/14, Jake Gross via Dectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> It is abandonware.
>>>>>>>> Speech rate is not supported.
>>>>>>>> Did you copy the sapi4.py file to your nvda user configuration
>>>>>>>> directory?
>>>>>>>> This driver prevents the synth from crashing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: brandon T viaDectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 23:42:52 -0400
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] a decent speech synthesizer for primary
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this synthesizer illegal?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, it isn't speaking as I change the speed of the voice.
>>>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> is crashing sometimes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to a
>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brandon Tyson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/29/14, Jake Gross via Dectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> What part of the installer can't you read.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: brandon T via Dectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 23:06:51 -0400
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] a decent speech synthesizer for
>>>>>>>> primary
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I can't read the installer. I am not sure if it
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> in English.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for telling me about this, I really appreciate it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/29/14, Jake Gross via Dectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Have you ever tried chatterbox?
>>>>>>>> It is a sapi4 english/rushen speech synthesizer.
>>>>>>>> You can find it at
>>>>>>>> http://grossgang.com/tts/sapi_voices/chatterbox.zip
>>>>>>>> Jake
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: brandon T via Dectalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 21:12:00 -0400
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] a decent speech synthesizer for
>>>>>>>> primary
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for this information. I thought that maybe another
>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>> was, with the Microsoft voices, I should try them at a
>>>>>>>> faster
>>>>>>>> speed.
>>>>>>>> For now, they are ok.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for your time, I really appreciate it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope that you are having an awesome day!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/29/14, Blake Roberts via Dectalk
>>>>>>>> <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I know that the AT&T Natural voices were recorded at 16k
>>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> typical 22k for recorded speech samples. However, they
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> work as
>>>>>>>> your primary synth due to large size of each voice. I
>>>>>>>> purchased
>>>>>>>> some AT&T
>>>>>>>> voices which I use as primary voices within OpenBook, but
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> are used for
>>>>>>>> short periods. AT&T voices might work as your primary synth
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> you have a
>>>>>>>> lot of Ram memory in your computer, i.e. more than a gig or
>>>>>>>> two.
>>>>>>>> Blake
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Dectalk [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> brandon T via Dectalk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:40 PM
>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] a decent speech synthesizer for
>>>>>>>> primary
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am wondering if maybe the voices are just sounding too
>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>> Are there any that are recorded at a lower audio quality
>>>>>>>> please?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to any
>>>>>>>> assistance
>>>>>>>> you are willing to provide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brandon Tyson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/29/14, Blake Roberts via Dectalk
>>>>>>>> <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Daniel,
>>>>>>>> Ivona voices are SAPI5. To use them in NVDA I simply
>>>>>>>> changed
>>>>>>>> from ESpeak
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> SAPI version 5 in the synthesizers list.
>>>>>>>> Blake
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Dectalk [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>> Wolak via Dectalk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:07 PM
>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] a decent speech synthesizer for
>>>>>>>> primary
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I mostly use eloquence with nvda... A question for you
>>>>>>>> blake:
>>>>>>>> what do
>>>>>>>> you use to interface the ivona voices with nvda as I've
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> thinking of
>>>>>>>> trying them?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>> On 29/08/2014 8:00 PM, Blake Roberts via Dectalk wrote:
>>>>>>>> Brandon,
>>>>>>>> Although I use Eloquence as my primary synth in Jaws, Ivona
>>>>>>>> voices are a
>>>>>>>> close second. They are my primary voices within NVDA.
>>>>>>>> Voices
>>>>>>>> from Ivona
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> not free but you can trial each voice for 30 days before
>>>>>>>> purchase is
>>>>>>>> required. I prefer slow speeds so I'm not sure how Ivona
>>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>>> at fast
>>>>>>>> rates. I use Ivona voices because all of the voices sound
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> natural.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you tried the Orpheus synth? I purchased Orpheus but
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> use it
>>>>>>>> anymore because those voices are too fast for my liking.
>>>>>>>> Like
>>>>>>>> Ivona, you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> trial Orpheus for 30 days before purchase is required. The
>>>>>>>> difference is
>>>>>>>> with Orpheus you receive all voices, whereas Ivona
>>>>>>>> voices are
>>>>>>>> downloaded
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> voice at a time.
>>>>>>>> Blake
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Dectalk [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> brandon T via Dectalk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 7:48 PM
>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>> Subject: [DECtalk] a decent speech synthesizer for primary
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been looking at Sapi 4 and Sapi 5 voices today.
>>>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> been looking at Speech Player. I am familiar with a lot of
>>>>>>>> voices,
>>>>>>>> including Acapela, Eloquence, DecTalk, Microsoft voices
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> Sam, the
>>>>>>>> LH synthesizer, the Digalo voices, Infovox 230 and 330,
>>>>>>>> eSpeak,
>>>>>>>> Neospeech and others. Here is my problem. I have been
>>>>>>>> majorly
>>>>>>>> investigating voices for years. I guess the main problem is
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> of the voices do something that I don't like. Eloquence
>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> clicking sound when it goes really fast. I have trouble
>>>>>>>> understanding
>>>>>>>> DecTalk when it goes really fast. The Acapela voices
>>>>>>>> are, in
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> opinion, too hard to use as a primary voice. I have thought
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> Infovox 230 and 330, but I cant do anything legally except
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> trial. Also, I can't use Eloquence legally with NVDA. The
>>>>>>>> Digalo
>>>>>>>> voices are hard to understand when speaking long amounts of
>>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>>> because they stop reading for a few seconds in the
>>>>>>>> middle of
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> sentence. The Microsoft voices are ok, but again, the way
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> read is hard for me to get used to. ESpeak sometimes is
>>>>>>>> hard
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> because when it goes fast, I hear this sort of interesting
>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the middle of the speech. The LH voices are hard because,
>>>>>>>> well,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> unfortunately can't explain it. Do you mind if I please
>>>>>>>> ask,
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> synthesizer do you use primarily, the reasons you use it,
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> is good
>>>>>>>> about it, and what is not as good please? I am hoping that,
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> input
>>>>>>>> and suggestions, I can hopefully find something that I will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>> use primarily.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for your time and I look forward to any
>>>>>>>> assistance
>>>>>>>> you are willing to provide
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brandon Tyson
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