[DECtalk] SubjectLines - Was:Re: DECTAlk 4.4 Public Domain?

Jake McMahan mcmahan.jake at gmail.com
Wed Feb 1 21:37:02 EST 2012



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From: "Doris and Chris" <chipmunks at gmx.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:11 PM
To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] SubjectLines  - Was:Re:  DECTAlk 4.4 Public  Domain?

> Thank you. Much apreciated!
>
> Doris
>
> At 06:41 PM 2/1/2012 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>Thanks for the reminder, I sort of forgot about doing that. I will do it 
>>in future.
>>It'd be better to post these things as little reminders that only take a 
>>few seconds to read, rather than have a repetitive paragraph about it, 
>>quote someone as if they didn't know what you were talking about, and ask 
>>why it's so difficult. I originally intended it to just be a little side 
>>path of discussion. It didn't sound that way, but I just wanted to see 
>>where it would go. Now that it's gone far past the original topic, I 
>>changed it.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <chipmunks at gmx.net>
>>To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 10:31 AM
>>Subject: [DECtalk] SubjectLines - Was:Re: DECTAlk 4.4 Public Domain?
>>
>>
>>>If you introduce a new subject, why is it so difficult to either start a 
>>>new message thread or at least change the subject line to reflect the 
>>>question asked?
>>>
>>> From what I have read on this list, there is a lot of expertise on here 
>>> and I am sure you guys are pros in communicating. could you please use 
>>> subject lines that refer to what is actually being discussed on here? I 
>>> get a lot of messages from all kinds of lists I am on and choose what 
>>> messages to read by the subject lines. I do not open messages that sound 
>>> too technical in nature on here, for example, but would have been 
>>> intersted in the discussion on different dectalk versions or what is 
>>> available when and where.
>>>
>>>For the question below, something like
>>>
>>>"British DECTalk Voice"?
>>>
>>>should be an easy enough subject to formulate
>>>
>>>Thanks much.
>>>
>>>Doris
>>>
>>>  h
>>>
>>>At 10:15 AM 2/1/2012 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>Well, the sonic thing wasn't a real big thing at least for me, nor 
>>>>anyone else I knew that used it. It sounded strange, and I never did 
>>>>like dectalk above rates of400 or so.
>>>>Going off topic here, I wonder if a decent British dectalk was ever 
>>>>made?
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Pitermach" <pitermach at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:47 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] DECTAlk 4.4 Public Domain?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Actually yeah. The driver was written by Tyler and I sort of helped him 
>>>>>out with it. The first version only did Paul and had sonic to speed the 
>>>>>rate up even more. I asked him to add voices, and that's the newer 
>>>>>version where sonic had to be removed because it was crashing things 
>>>>>apparently.
>>>>>
>>>>>On 2012-02-01 13:52, Raymond Grote wrote:
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>I was under the impression that both Dectalks were the same engine, 
>>>>>>just different versions of the driver, and the newer one supported 
>>>>>>voices but the older one didn't?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Pitermach" <pitermach at gmail.com>
>>>>>>To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:43 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] DECTAlk 4.4 Public Domain?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>About the issue with the second dectalk, what happens is almost every 
>>>>>>>parameter is actually changed, except the pitch and inflection, so 
>>>>>>>after you change voices you just need to manually raise the pitch or 
>>>>>>>what ever to set it straight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 2012-02-01 03:18, Blake Roberts wrote:
>>>>>>>>Doris,
>>>>>>>>I discovered the other day that two Dectalks for NVDA exist. I was 
>>>>>>>>able to
>>>>>>>>try both out after obtaining them and reinstalling NVDA. Both 
>>>>>>>>NVDA-specific
>>>>>>>>Dectalks have issues. In the first one, only Paul is available as a 
>>>>>>>>voice.
>>>>>>>>To me, that version of Dectalk for NVDA sounds similar to 4.4, 
>>>>>>>>though I have
>>>>>>>>no idea what DT version it is based on. The second Dectalk for NVDA 
>>>>>>>>lists
>>>>>>>>all 9 voices, but apparently is based on another version of Dectalk. 
>>>>>>>>Some
>>>>>>>>of those voices sound, um, different. Example: Kipp sounds like he's 
>>>>>>>>going
>>>>>>>>through puberty or something similar. If anyone wants to experiment 
>>>>>>>>with/use
>>>>>>>>Dectalk for NVDA, write me off-list. As far as  I know, Dectalk for 
>>>>>>>>NVDA is
>>>>>>>>not officially supported by the NVDA developers and I don't know who 
>>>>>>>>created
>>>>>>>>Dectalks for NVDA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regarding Dectalk for Jaws, there is Dectalk Access32. Problem: 
>>>>>>>>Freedom
>>>>>>>>Scientific broke Dectalk Access32 functionality in an earlier 
>>>>>>>>version of
>>>>>>>>Jaws. Since a Jaws-specific version of Dectalk Access32 is no longer 
>>>>>>>>sold or
>>>>>>>>supported by FS, I sort of understand why  Freedom Scientific won't 
>>>>>>>>fix the
>>>>>>>>problem. Another member of this list found a workaround to make 
>>>>>>>>Dectalk
>>>>>>>>Access32 work with Jaws which involves uninstalling Eloquence.
>>>>>>>>Blake
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>>[mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Doris and 
>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 8:56 PM
>>>>>>>>To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>Subject: [DECtalk] DECTAlk 4.4 Public Domain?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>with all the discussion of singing dectalks, it was a couple of 
>>>>>>>>times
>>>>>>>>mentioned that dectalk version 4.4 is in the public domain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Is there a version of this or can one be made available that works 
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>screenreaders?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I enjoy the dectalk songs I have heard and am amazed at the 
>>>>>>>>creativity and
>>>>>>>>finesse and perfection that goes into those songs but this is 
>>>>>>>>nothing I have
>>>>>>>>any interst in persuing myself .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I like dectalk for its clear speech and low footprint on older 
>>>>>>>>systems and I
>>>>>>>>would love to have a working version to use with my screenreaders, 
>>>>>>>>i.e. jaws
>>>>>>>>and nvda. For nvda especialy it would be nice to have a free dectalk
>>>>>>>>version. nvda comes with espeak, which is free and open source. 
>>>>>>>>espeak is
>>>>>>>>certainly usable and I like its responsibeness but dectalk has much 
>>>>>>>>clearer
>>>>>>>>speech and would be much easier to understand for those used to more 
>>>>>>>>human
>>>>>>>>sounding synths.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>With all the time and energy devoted to making dectalk sing and 
>>>>>>>>talking
>>>>>>>>about this, if there is a public domain version of dectalk 
>>>>>>>>available, could
>>>>>>>>some of the time and energy be devoted to giving us a free dectalk 
>>>>>>>>to just
>>>>>>>>use with screenreaders or a free sapi version?
>>>>>>>>I do not know what would go into this but I'd like to see something 
>>>>>>>>that is
>>>>>>>>usable for the broader masses and especialy for nvda users.
>>>>>>>>nvda is coming of age and a decent free synth with it would be such 
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>blessing!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Doris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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