[DECtalk] List UP?
ebruckert Bruckert
edbruckert at gmail.com
Thu Sep 1 21:05:59 EDT 2011
Let me toss the problem back at you guys to see if we can get some
consensus, the issues you address are the same ones that caused us to go
around in circles on these voices that's why I truly don't know what a best
tuning is because we could never decide so I need some kind of consensus,
because these voices were always being tweaked to try and make them better
never succeeded
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net>wrote:
> **
> Hi guys,
> Sorry for being a bit late on replying, Outlook express was having issues.
> Some of the voices are very good, but the Betty voice in particular sounds
> way too low really is, and some of the others do too. And I don't quite like
> Dennis and some of the others because they're too breathy. But, if we can
> change peramitors in the traditional manner, then that will compensate for
> it a bit.
> Also as was said the i sound in the female voices is a bit strange, and
> some words with t sounds, sound a bit off too. The best way to describe it,
> is you hear the t sound, then an h sound, then the rest of the word.
> Again for a test it is certainly awesome, hopefully it can be improved and
> have no issues! I'm very sure it will meet everyone's criteria for an
> awesome Sapi Dectalk in the end.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Blake Roberts <beroberts at hughes.net>
> *To:* 'DECtalk Discussions' <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:33 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [DECtalk] List UP?
>
> I agree with Jake about altering the default pitch. Specifically, I think
> the voices could benefit from a somewhat lower default pitch. With that
> said, I'm pretty happy with the voices.
> Blake
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com [mailto:
> dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] *On Behalf Of *Jake McMahan
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 5:32 PM
> *To:* DECtalk Discussions
> *Subject:* Re: [DECtalk] List UP?
>
> Ed, nice. I think it is working out. As I said in a previous email,
> intonation can be modified by the user with a set of inline parameters, and
> so can pitch. That's probably the only thing I would alter, for me at
> least. But seriously, you're doing great man.
>
> *From:* ebruckert Bruckert <edbruckert at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:50 PM
> *To:* DECtalk Discussions <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [DECtalk] List UP?
>
> no hints just feedback please.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The Val voice is still present in 4.3, so it's probably still there to
>> this
>> day.
>> Jayson
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "ebruckert Bruckert" <edbruckert at gmail.com>
>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] List UP?
>>
>>
>> > Such it does never created for DECtalk, however I could certainly aid
>> > someone in advising them on how to make it easier. For this purpose a
>> > special voice was created in DECtalk called variable valve(Dennis Klatt
>> > liked alliteration). Since I am a totally incompetent Windows
>> programmer
>> > I
>> > can't do it, but I will have to look in the code to see if variable
>> valve
>> > still exists but it could be done anyway.
>> > As I said the source code for the two apps I mentioned are available to
>> > anyone I haven't done anything with them because of the above mentioned
>> > reason. The real issue would be to develop an automatic gain tuner,
>> > which which again could be done with some help, just to make the whole
>> > process easier but it certainly can and has been done purely manually.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Jitendra Kumar
>> > <jeet.invincible at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> someone already posted that a new speak window can be created,Hello
>> >> friends, I also have a suggestion too, if you remember, many of you
>> >> perhaps: that flextalk had an app called perhaps voice tool, that we
>> >> used to create new voices, however I never able to make it sing, but
>> >> such an app should also ship with DECTalk, so that we can create new
>> >> voices with more or less inflection and pitch settings, and perhaps
>> >> this option can be made available in the newer speak window itself,
>> >> and when we create new voices, DECTalk should register the voice so
>> >> each sapi5 app can make use of it. Thank you.
>> >>
>> >> On 8/30/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > No, but they just have a tendency to mess with the punctuation and
>> >> > sort of commandeer it to their will, not taking into account that
>> >> > somebody might have a clever synth like DECtalk. Anyways, I hear ya
>> on
>> >> > the abreviation issue. My iPod says 25 millibars instead of 25 MB for
>> >> > filesizes. Or how about Windows 98 Southeast? Hahah!
>> >> >
>> >> > Alex
>> >> >
>> >> > On 8/29/11, Brent Harding <bharding at doorpi.net> wrote:
>> >> >> I know, the automatic expansion of abbreviations drives a person up
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> wall
>> >> >> trying to do critical things like medical transcription. I was
>> >> >> listening
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> Jonathan Mosen do a demo of some self-voicing daisy editing app that
>> >> >> FS
>> >> >> bundles with the Plextalk, and kid me not, files sizes are measured
>> in
>> >> >> kerobytes. Is that what Microsoft does when you put kb next to a
>> >> >> number?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>> >> >> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>> >> >> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:45 PM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] List UP?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hi,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Just to clarify my earlier post, life would be great if Microsoft
>> >> >>> didn't feel the need to muck about with how SAPI5 handles
>> punctuation
>> >> >>> and I'd love a singing sapi. The reality and how MS has done this
>> >> >>> really makes it a royal pain, at least as far as I can tell with
>> >> >>> little to no programming knowledge and just reading the
>> documentation
>> >> >>> on how this stuff works. The great thing if we were to have a
>> modern
>> >> >>> speak window for singing and skits and the SAPI for scren reading
>> and
>> >> >>> other text to speech programs is that it'll still be easy to export
>> >> >>> songs and skits as wave files with minimal effort and ensure that
>> >> >>> this
>> >> >>> program will run in Windows operating systems in the future.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thanks Ed for all the tweaking and coding that has to go into a
>> >> >>> project like this. It's much appreciated. Things are looking up.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Aelx
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 8/29/11, Jake McMahan <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>> To me, I think the whole dad gum thing is extremely impressive and
>> >> it's
>> >> >>>> coming along. I am looking forward to getting my hands on this
>> >> >>>> thing
>> >> >>>> when
>> >> >>>> it is available, and using it in my DSpeech scripts and much more.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> From: ebruckert Bruckert
>> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:09 PM
>> >> >>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] List UP?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Okay sounds like you've done a thorough job. But I have two
>> programs
>> >> say
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> command line and batch mode program and speak which are both
>> freely
>> >> >>>> distributable in including source code and could certainly be
>> >> >>>> included
>> >> >>>> in
>> >> >>>> any distribution.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Alex H. <
>> linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hi Ed,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I've done some digging about how to make the SAPI5 version of DT
>> >> sing.
>> >> >>>> It won't be easy to do this I'm afraid. Too many variables
>> >> >>>> involved,
>> >> >>>> and no program except ttsapp.exe will pipe the exact string you
>> >> >>>> send
>> >> >>>> to it to the SAPI5 engine. That's only part of the issue though.
>> >> >>>> Firstly, SAPI5, as I thought, uses some low level punctuation
>> >> >>>> filtering that comes even lower in the stack than things like
>> text
>> >> to
>> >> >>>> MP3 programs, like Verbose or TextAloud, etc. Basically, the
>> text
>> >> >>>> to
>> >> >>>> speech program (like textAloud) gets the text and adds its own
>> >> >>>> punctuation rules to the text and sends this to SAPI, and SAPI
>> >> >>>> does
>> >> >>>> its own filtering/changing of the text string, so the original
>> >> >>>> text
>> >> >>>> gets lost early on in the chain. There's not any real easy way
>> >> around
>> >> >>>> this I'm afraid, after a good few hours reading MSDN articles
>> and
>> >> what
>> >> >>>> not. Even when talking about changing text to be pronounced
>> better
>> >> (we
>> >> >>>> could use this to make DT sing), SAPI unfortunately makes its
>> own
>> >> >>>> rules of phonemic definitions when you specify the proper tags
>> >> >>>> [3].
>> >> >>>> This basically means that it tries a one-size-fits-all approach
>> >> >>>> and
>> >> >>>> some synths that are SAPI compliant still won't speak the text
>> as
>> >> the
>> >> >>>> SAPI phonemic string intends. In short, this would be a
>> nightmare
>> >> >>>> to
>> >> >>>> implement using SAPI5. At least the way I see it.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I'm thinking for the ease of use factor for singers, maybe the
>> >> >>>> best
>> >> >>>> idea is a SAPI dectalk installable synth that works wiht screen
>> >> >>>> readers, and then a speak window bundled wiht it for singing.
>> That
>> >> >>>> way, nobody is messing with sapi protocols.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Sources:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> [1]
>> >> >>>>
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms719574%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> [2]
>> >> >>>>
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms717252%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> [3]
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://elearningtech.blogspot.com/2010/10/using-punctuation-and-mark-up-language.html
>> >> >>>> [4]
>> >> >>>>
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms723638%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Sorry for the hugely complex post, but I felt it was needed to
>> >> explain
>> >> >>>> further. As always, great work and i look forward to more
>> testing.
>> >> >>>> Alex
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On 8/29/11, jake mcmahan <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>> > On 8/29/2011 3:07 PM, ebruckert Bruckert wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> These are all generated by just plopping the text into speak,
>> >> since
>> >> >>>> >> the scaling and interaction of these things has always varied
>> >> >>>> slightly
>> >> >>>> >> the the goal now is to try to adjust things the detailed
>> stuff
>> >> like
>> >> >>>> >> little overloads for the last step.
>> >> >>>> >> I'm not sure if I reset Paul or left them at the custom voice
>> >> when
>> >> >>>> I
>> >> >>>> >> did the weather, so I'll resend the weather being sure it's
>> >> regular
>> >> >>>> >> Paul, but in fact if everybody likes the style we can modify
>> >> those
>> >> >>>> >> base parameters, as I already know that the pitch scaling is
>> >> >>>> slightly
>> >> >>>> >> different so will probably have to change the pitch things
>> but
>> >> >>>> that's
>> >> >>>> >> the purpose of tweaking. On some of the voices that I fooled
>> >> around
>> >> >>>> >> was so much I really don't have a feel for what's better or
>> >> worse.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Alex H. <
>> >> linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> <mailto:linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Hi,
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> First, excellent job! The custom Paul voice in the
>> weather
>> >> file
>> >> >>>> is
>> >> >>>> >> great. It has a lot of inflection and sounds like 4.4,
>> >> >>>> which
>> >> is
>> >> >>>> pretty
>> >> >>>> >> impressive. The test.wav is strange though. It's very
>> buzzy
>> >> and
>> >> >>>> hard
>> >> >>>> >> to understand. Just to clarify, for now, are we just
>> >> >>>> testing
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> Paul
>> >> >>>> >> voice?
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> The weather sample seems to be very articulate and
>> precise.
>> >> It
>> >> >>>> doesn't
>> >> >>>> >> have any of that slurring of old versions on certain
>> words.
>> >> >>>> This
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> is
>> >> >>>> >> great.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Just to hear the sample at a higher rate of speed, can
>> you
>> >> >>>> do
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> same
>> >> >>>> >> text at about 350 wpm to see how it stands up?
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> I didn't hear any of the soft tones at the end of
>> >> >>>> sentences,
>> >> >>>> and
>> >> >>>> even
>> >> >>>> >> ran the file and amplified silences, and it's about 48 dB
>> >> below
>> >> >>>> >> normal, so it's pretty quiet as it is without the code to
>> >> >>>> squash
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> >> humming.
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Thanks,
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> Alex
>> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >>>> >> On 8/29/11, ebruckert Bruckert <edbruckert at gmail.com
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> <mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> > First some baseline testing stuff. Do not over test it
>> in
>> >> >>>> other
>> >> >>>> >> words in the
>> >> >>>> >> > beginning this is a rough cut so if we get into too
>> many
>> >> >>>> details
>> >> >>>> >> or changes
>> >> >>>> >> > it will just all become mud. We should only make a few
>> >> >>>> changes
>> >> >>>> >> at a time,
>> >> >>>> >> > the other problem may become differences of opinion
>> >> >>>> especially
>> >> >>>> >> with some of
>> >> >>>> >> > the voices which were never very stable because we
>> never
>> >> >>>> really
>> >> >>>> >> liked
>> >> >>>> >> > exactly what we had. This is an old version of DECtalk
>> so
>> >> >>>> >> occasionally you
>> >> >>>> >> > will hear little homes at the end of things during what
>> >> >>>> should
>> >> >>>> >> be silence.
>> >> >>>> >> > This is a mathematical problem called a limit cycle
>> when
>> >> >>>> we're
>> >> >>>> >> finished I'll
>> >> >>>> >> > add the new code I developed to squelch it. It took us
>> >> years
>> >> >>>> to
>> >> >>>> >> figure out a
>> >> >>>> >> > way to get rid of it perceptually we never could get
>> rid
>> >> >>>> of
>> >> >>>> it
>> >> >>>> >> > mathematically. Lastly I had to change the gain of
>> >> >>>> voicing
>> >> on
>> >> >>>> >> the modified
>> >> >>>> >> > voice that was sent without going into a long
>> explanation
>> >> >>>> which
>> >> >>>> >> I can later
>> >> >>>> >> > if people want the gains of the cascade vocal track
>> have
>> >> >>>> never
>> >> >>>> >> ever been
>> >> >>>> >> > constant it's a mathematical issue where you're
>> >> >>>> constantly
>> >> >>>> >> trying to adjust
>> >> >>>> >> > them between quantization and overload and we've never
>> >> >>>> been
>> >> >>>> able
>> >> >>>> to
>> >> >>>> >> > guarantee them.
>> >> >>>> >> > Lastly people can think about singing. The problem is
>> >> >>>> that
>> >> >>>> most
>> >> >>>> SAPI
>> >> >>>> >> > applications strip stuff out so I'm looking for
>> >> >>>> suggestions
>> >> >>>> of
>> >> >>>> >> how we could
>> >> >>>> >> > fool it and tell DECtalk that it was supposed to go
>> into
>> >> >>>> >> phonemic mode so it
>> >> >>>> >> > can sing. I don't know what can and cannot get through
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> various
>> >> >>>> >> > applications and while
>> >> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> > Again don't put too much effort in two critical
>> listening
>> >> at
>> >> >>>> >> this stage as
>> >> >>>> >> > were not fine-tuning it just training 3n where targets
>> >> >>>> are
>> >> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:06 PM, jake mcmahan
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com <mailto:mcmahan.jake at gmail.com
>> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> On 8/29/2011 11:52 AM, ebruckert Bruckert wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> Hello everyone the good news is I had a generator the
>> >> >>>> bad
>> >> >>>> news
>> >> >>>> >> is I had to
>> >> >>>> >> >> use it. I'm having trouble with the 2008 free edition
>> of
>> >> >>>> visual
>> >> >>>> >> C I can't
>> >> >>>> >> >> run the debugger. But before I uninstall and reinstall
>> >> >>>> it
>> >> I
>> >> >>>> >> want to get
>> >> >>>> >> >> this
>> >> >>>> >> >> baseline out but it's a little bit painful because I
>> >> >>>> can't
>> >> >>>> run
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> >> >> debugger
>> >> >>>> >> >> so I'm doing it by an archaic method. So it'll be out
>> >> >>>> sometime
>> >> >>>> >> today and
>> >> >>>> >> >> then I'll reload visual C.
>> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 4:11 PM, jake mcmahan
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com
>> >> >>>> <mailto:mcmahan.jake at gmail.com>>wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> On 8/28/2011 11:40 AM, ebruckert Bruckert wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> Ed K okay I'm ready. I have a base tuning of all the
>> >> voices.
>> >> >>>> So
>> >> >>>> >> send me
>> >> >>>> >> >> the
>> >> >>>> >> >> various files to test with and we will try and get
>> some
>> >> >>>> >> agreement on the
>> >> >>>> >> >> voices.
>> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, ebruckert Bruckert
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> <edbruckert at gmail.com <mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> I was visiting my grandson, back to woek today.....
>> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Alex H.
>> >> >>>> >> >> <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> <mailto:linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>>wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> Your message came through. DECTalk is alive and
>> singing.
>> >> :D
>> >> >>>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> >> >> Alex
>> >> >>>> >> >> On 8/20/2011 11:22 PM, Doris and Chris wrote:
>> >> >>>> >> >> > I have not seen any messages from this list in over
>> a
>> >> >>>> week.
>> >> >>>> >> So I was
>> >> >>>> >> >> > wondering if the list was down or if there is a
>> >> >>>> problem
>> >> at
>> >> >>>> my
>> >> >>>> >> end or
>> >> >>>> >> >> > with my subscription.
>> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> > Cheers,
>> >> >>>> >> >> >
>> >> >>>> >> >> > Doris
>> >> >>>> >> >> >
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>> >> >>>> >> >> take this, for example. This is a weather file.
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