[DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant

Mon May 9 17:45:48 EDT 2011

Some use Eloquence, but even that is getting rarer now. They're moving on to 
the vocalizer thing from real Speak i believe, the voice that comes with the 
Victor Stream. Personally I hate that voice. It's too breathy and hoarse. 
But it is very clear.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:09 PM
Subject: [DECtalk] Force Computers And DECTalk Plus GPS rant

> Hi, changed the subj line to be more on topic.
> Here's an article i found explaining Force's DT release
>
> http://thing1.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7167587442.html
>
> What I find sort of sad is that DT has hardly been used in GPS systems
> and navigators, at least as far as I know. Most companies use the
> bulky sampled speech synthesizers like Ivona, AT&T voices, Loquendo,
> etc. Sure, DT isn't the most realistic synth, but at least it's
> understandable and runs more responsive on less taxing hardware
> requirements.
>
> Alex
>
> On 5/9/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I believe Force took over DT in early 2000 and released 4.61. They
>> claim in the 4.61 documentation that it's the first release of DT in
>> almost four years.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 5/9/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> He'd probably be so frustrated that he'd go on this list and develop
>>> KlattTalk from scratch and be a very active member in helping port
>>> this awesome synth to as many platforms as humanly possible. DECTalk
>>> on the iPhone anyone?
>>>
>>> Fonix and Force made some big no-nos in my opinion but they do make
>>> for some funny skits! :D
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Well,, to be fair, Force destroyed it to begin with. I heard that the
>>>> original Dectalk code was lost so Fonix had to work with what Force 
>>>> gave
>>>> them or something. But still. I wonder what Dennis Klatt would say or 
>>>> do
>>>> if
>>>> he was around to see that. Maybe I don't want to know.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 4:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Access 32 On Windows 7
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, FonixTalk was a pretty big insult to DECTalk; I'm glad they at
>>>>> least renamed it before slaughtering it.  I bet I'd like FonixTalk if
>>>>> I hadn't heard the awesomeness of DECTAlk, but I did, so FTalk is
>>>>> pretty lame compared to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/9/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Dont bother with support unless you need to confirm  something you
>>>>>> already
>>>>>> expected. Some of the people there are very helpful but some of them,
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> say, are just awful.
>>>>>> I wish Fonix would get involved. I don't see how they can let Dectalk
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> die out. It's old, yes, but if we have to do something that Fonix
>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>> doing, then something is not quite right.
>>>>>> What is Fonix doing now anyway? Maybe they are working on something
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> that will make as big of a mark on speech synthesis?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:39 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Access 32 On Windows 7
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmm. Sounds like FS is being more jerky than before. I tried with
>>>>>>> JAWS
>>>>>>> 11 back in the day, and it worked just fine considering the
>>>>>>> circumstances. I mean, nobody should have to uninstall a synth to 
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> another one working. I wish I could be more help, but I've not used
>>>>>>> JAWS in forever (except an old Windows 2000 machine that has JAWS 
>>>>>>> 8).
>>>>>>> I guess the only thing to do is bug FS to death about it until they
>>>>>>> actually do something. Oh, and that's not an easy task given my past
>>>>>>> experiences with a PAC Mate. Ever been told how to propperly write
>>>>>>> Braille by an FS official? Pretty over the line.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> When I tried starting JAWS after uninstalling Eloquence with the
>>>>>>>> latest DECtalk drivers installed, I got an error saying shared
>>>>>>>> components were missing.  Am I not doing something correctly?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> with the original release of jaws 10 you don't need to do that
>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> worked then. however, if it's a later version you probably need to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I tried uninstalling Eloquence, with the JAWS 12 Access 32 driver
>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>> in, and I am still getting the shared components error.  I'll
>>>>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>>>> try this with JAWS 10 and see what happens.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that, Brandon...I didn't try going back to the JAWS 
>>>>>>>>>>> 12
>>>>>>>>>>> Access 32 driver.  I'll try that and let you guys know.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> well, before you did that did you replace the access 32 jaws
>>>>>>>>>>>> driver
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> the one you got out of jaws 10 still there? think you have to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> driver that is in with jaws 12 to get this to work. me
>>>>>>>>>>>> personally,
>>>>>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>> glad
>>>>>>>>>>>> i have a dectalk u s b otherwise, i would still be sending fs
>>>>>>>>>>>> emails
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> broken access 32 support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2011, at 1:25 AM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I got an error from JAWS 12 when I tried starting JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> uninstalling Eloquence.  What version did you try this with,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have this problem?  Thanks, Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Alex!  I'll give that a shot!  If I have trouble, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstall JAWS--I also have NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try uninstalling Eloquence. It's a dirty rotten hack, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, it's perminent, so DT only gets used.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I did this when I still used JAWS, there was some wierd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parameter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values and I had to play with the rate and pitch sliders for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snap back into action.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/7/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just recently obtained a copy of DECtalk Access 32 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the version of DECtalk distributed with Kurzweil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there any way of making it work with JAWS on Windows 7? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs--it shows as running in task manager--but it is still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with JAWS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
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