[DECtalk] Any news?
Brandon Misch
bmisch2002 at gmail.com
Thu May 5 23:08:43 EDT 2011
lol
On May 5, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Raymond Grote wrote:
> It knows its time is up. Lol.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>
>
>> Lol! Tried that, yep, it's a E-flat then drops to a C with a little sigh.
>>
>> It's tired of sounding like crap so it sighs lol
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 5/5/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> And, I was able to make rather amusing sounds by putting one note in for
>>> singing. I put in a low c, and instead of being a low c, it was like a
>>> sigh
>>> of satisfaction. It started at an e, went down to a d, then got breathy
>>> and
>>> ended. I can clarify if needed. Maybe post a sample and the code I used.
>>> But
>>> it was funny.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 9:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was also under the impression that the testers were supposed to give
>>>> feedback about the project and so on, but when they did, they got
>>>> nothing but snide remarks that it's the same, "you don't know what
>>>> you're talking about," etc. That sort of thing is just not cool,
>>>> seeing as you're supposed to sell this! I hope nobody buys this just
>>>> to proove the point that this is just not even close to being ready
>>>> for any type of release!
>>>>
>>>> But I suppose, at this rate we're just screaming at the wind and
>>>> nothing will change.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/5/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> I'm pretty sure it will. The least we can do is not buy it and
>>>>> discourage
>>>>> others from using it, unless they decide to make a change. I am hoping
>>>>> they
>>>>> will, but I'm very sure they won't.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 9:22 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sounds like it's going to be released no matter what and even if some
>>>>> on
>>>>> this list want it scrapped it looks like this will be released.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 5, 2011, at 7:35 PM, Dectalk at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bingo! That's why it would be better to scrap it. If released as
>>>>> is,
>>>>> it messes with a dead man's life long reputation. I'm sick over this!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 7:21:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>> ratguy at insightbb.com writes:
>>>>> What's worse is that, if this gets released in its current state,
>>>>> any
>>>>> good
>>>>> name DECtalk may have had will get tarnished. We all thought
>>>>> Force
>>>>> did
>>>>> horrible things with it. Now this! Someone who sees that a SAPI
>>>>> version of
>>>>> DECtalk is available is likely to get excited if they know what
>>>>> DECtalk is.
>>>>> When they put down their bucks to actually buy the thing, I hate
>>>>> to
>>>>> even
>>>>> think what the reactions will be. This is ridiculous, and an
>>>>> insult
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>> Dennis Klatt.
>>>>> Someone who just wants a SAPI synth who has no idea what DECtalk
>>>>> is
>>>>> might
>>>>> find the Paul voice acceptable. It sounds like an old guy, which
>>>>> is
>>>>> certainly *not!* how it's supposed to sound. But I'd love to tell
>>>>> such
>>>>> a
>>>>> person to type [:nu] and see what happens after that.
>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess they're just tired of hearing that something's wrong?
>>>>> Sounds
>>>>>> like a give-up stratagy to me. Funny thing is, probably nobody
>>>>> will
>>>>>> buy this unless they want to just use Paul or enjoy the sounds
>>>>> of
>>>>>> clipping mutated DECTalks or something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/5/11, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> What the? This product, as we've seen it, is absolutely
>>>>> nowhere
>>>>> near
>>>>>>> ready
>>>>>>> for release. It has several obvious bugs. One of the more
>>>>> crippling
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> totally ridiculous in my opinion is that some of the factory
>>>>> default
>>>>>>> voices
>>>>>>> are virtually unusable because their parameters are incorrect.
>>>>> Factory
>>>>>>> voices, mind you. Not something some user has messed around
>>>>> with
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> screwed
>>>>>>> up. Default voices, which are supposed to be usable. Sigh.
>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: <Dectalk at aol.com>
>>>>>>> To: <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 6:54 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ugh! I just got word. The programmer won't be allowed to
>>>>> join
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> they're doing an "As is" release. (SIGH)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't write any more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 4:40:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight
>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>> bmisch2002 at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see. hope that this project gets fixed soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 5, 2011, at 4:12 PM, _Dectalk at aol.com_
>>>>> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just so everyone knows, I'm not talking about Ed at all.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>> else and I've been instructed not to post the name.
>>>>> Actually
>>>>> I've been
>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>> to stop writing about the programmer. But just to be clear,
>>>>> it's
>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>>> it's someone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 3:54:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight
>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>> _musicalman1 at comcast.net_ (mailto:musicalman1 at comcast.net)
>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very understandable. I did too, after hearing what you were
>>>>> told.
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> hoep we can get him on this list and see what comes out of
>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: _Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
>>>>>>>> To: _dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:44 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe if we all ask nicely, someone who knows the programmer
>>>>> will
>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> person on here. I just might not post anything if this
>>>>> person
>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>> up. After all, I got told I don't know what I'm talking
>>>>> about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This person is smart, I just needed to vent. I work out of
>>>>> a
>>>>> bedroom,
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> kind of trapped here because the house is not wheelchair
>>>>> accessible,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> after I was told I didn't know what I was talking about, I
>>>>> needed
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> vent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 3:32:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight
>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>> _musicalman1 at comcast.net_ (mailto:musicalman1 at comcast.net)
>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to chat with him at some point and help him out if
>>>>> I
>>>>> could.
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> sure some of us would too. Some changes really need to be
>>>>> made.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: _Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
>>>>>>>> To: _dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:57 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have total faith in this list! We all know what we're
>>>>> doing,
>>>>> so lets
>>>>>>>> work together and come up with something for this
>>>>> programmer.
>>>>> I
>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> person is doing their best, but this is guess work. Maybe
>>>>> we
>>>>> can
>>>>> take
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> of the guessing out of it? Lets show this person we know
>>>>> our
>>>>> stuff!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 2:47:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight
>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>> _musicalman1 at comcast.net_ (mailto:musicalman1 at comcast.net)
>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think it's much use. As I have been saying, someone
>>>>> has
>>>>> messsed
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> because of lack of knowledge, and is being rather stubborn
>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> admitting
>>>>>>>> that something needs fixed.
>>>>>>>> If we as a list could somehow make it work, I'd say this
>>>>> thing
>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> turning a whole new direction. For now we can only provide
>>>>> feedback and
>>>>>>>> test.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: _Brandon Misch_ (mailto:bmisch2002 at gmail.com)
>>>>>>>> To: _DECtalk Discussions_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:28 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i see where you're coming from. have you shown the
>>>>> programmers
>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> samples like 4.61 etc? maybe you can show them voices like
>>>>> betty
>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> can see
>>>>>>>> where the loud pops are coming from.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 5, 2011, at 5:59 AM, _Dectalk at aol.com_
>>>>> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem is, Blake and I have done that. We sent a
>>>>> sample
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>> 4.40 to the head programmer to show how things should sound.
>>>>> We
>>>>> got an
>>>>>>>> e-mail back saying our version sounded corrupted. This
>>>>> person
>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>> that Whispering Wendy shouldn't be whispering. Hello, why
>>>>> does
>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> think the name is "Whispering Wendy"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is totally clear to Blake and I that this person doesn't
>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> Dectalk.
>>>>>>>> And if version 4.40 is viewed as corrupted, there is no hope
>>>>> if
>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>> anything right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So because of this, I'm hoping the project gets scrapped
>>>>> because
>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> becoming in insult to Dennis Klatt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 12:31:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight
>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>> _bmisch2002 at gmail.com_ (mailto:bmisch2002 at gmail.com)
>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maybe you should send the demo file over to the guys so they
>>>>> could hear
>>>>>>>> that and how the other voices sound.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't give up just yet. All they need to do is
>>>>> convince
>>>>> this guy
>>>>>>>>> that he's wrong and there is a huge, huge difference in
>>>>> this
>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>> and the real 4.3 version. This new stuff reminds me of a
>>>>> early
>>>>> age
>>>>>>>>> FonixTalk or something with a lot of excess nasal tones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/4/11, _johnnybrl at gmail.com_
>>>>> (mailto:johnnybrl at gmail.com)
>>>>>>>> <_johnnybrl at gmail.com_ (mailto:johnnybrl at gmail.com) > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Well, since it looks like there won't be a Sapi Dectalk,
>>>>> guess
>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> time to
>>>>>>>>>> look at Neospeech voices or ivona voices. It's too bad
>>>>> the
>>>>> head
>>>>>>>> programer
>>>>>>>>>> can't tell the difference between the Dectalk 4.6 and
>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>> 4.3
>>>>>>>> versions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> O well, was really looking forward to a Sapi version of
>>>>> Dectalk.
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Blake Roberts" <_beroberts at hughes.net_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:beroberts at hughes.net) >
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'DECtalk Discussions'" <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Alex for being the latest list member to point out
>>>>> need
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> improvement. I agree with you that there are clipping/
>>>>> drop-out
>>>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, I agree the SAPI Dectalk referred to as
>>>>> 4.3
>>>>> is
>>>>> unlike
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>> version of Dectalk I have ever heard. I, too, am
>>>>> unwilling
>>>>> to
>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> SAPI Dectalk.
>>>>>>>>>>> Blake
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: _dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Alex
>>>>> H.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:59 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just heard the demo, and.... Well, I agree with Snoopi,
>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>> terrible.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know who was telling you that nothing's wrong,
>>>>> but
>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> sound even remotely like any DECTalk version I've heard.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That being said, the Huge Harry voice is kinda cool, but
>>>>> yeah
>>>>>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> issues with clipping and dropouts in the voices,
>>>>> especially
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> Ursula
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> Rita.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think we should give up quite yet though, good
>>>>> things
>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>> who wait. Giving up on this would mean that I and other
>>>>> users
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA
>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be able to enjoy DECTalk's great speech.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/4/11, Jayson Smith <_ratguy at insightbb.com_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One clarification. From what I understand, Enable didn't
>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to any DECtalk version. They only have the right
>>>>> to
>>>>> sell,
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> full copyright. As I understand it, the copyright of
>>>>> DECtalk
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>> held by Fonix. I could be wrong though, I'm no lawyer.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Brandon Misch" <_bmisch2002 at gmail.com_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:bmisch2002 at gmail.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:28 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it also was 4.6.7 at one time. i doubt this project will
>>>>> please
>>>>>>>> everyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>> all we know is enable rehab purchased the wrights to
>>>>> 4.6.7
>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> fonix
>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying to use that with the 4.3 data files wasn't a
>>>>> good
>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>> question is did this happen with other versions of
>>>>> dectalk?
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> this version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Raymond Grote wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but many people miss the old dectalk 4.3 days. I
>>>>> really
>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>> got into dectalk, but I can see why. That version of
>>>>> the
>>>>> synth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stilll do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a special place together even though I was never a
>>>>> regular
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dectalk user. The major disappointment for many of us
>>>>> is
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound like that, it's worse, and to some of us it is
>>>>> unusable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my understanding,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone had posted that the synth was supposed to sound
>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.6.4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then somewhere along the line it was changed to 4.3?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if this was fixed up, it could still be used as a sapi
>>>>> 5
>>>>> synth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it needs for it to be a screen reader voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:13 PM, <_johnnybrl at gmail.com_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:johnnybrl at gmail.com) > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cool just heard the demo. And yes it doesn't sound
>>>>> like
>>>>> 4.3
>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul voice sounds pretty cool.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Frank doesn't sound too bad either. It kind of
>>>>> reminds
>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fonix talk demo. sounds almost like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And it sounds like this version of dectalk has more
>>>>> inflection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 did, which I like. I like lots of inflection in
>>>>> synthes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cool lol.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back in high school, we had a computer with Jaws with
>>>>> a
>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> express hooked up to it, and I used to go in there and
>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say things lol.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you read below our messages, you'll see a link to a
>>>>> file
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inside. if you just want to use paul and a few others,
>>>>> it
>>>>> works
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not for all voices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:45 PM, <_johnnybrl at gmail.com_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:johnnybrl at gmail.com) > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi, where did you guys get the audio samples of the
>>>>> sapi
>>>>> dectalk
>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds like you guys have already heard it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:37 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok some of the voices work while others don't. i can
>>>>> see
>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant by bad quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM, _Dectalk at aol.com_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3_
>>>>>>>> (http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above link is the sample that people wanted.
>>>>> Blake
>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both told that there is no problem. Tell that to
>>>>> our
>>>>> ears.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (YUCK)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 11:16:00 A.M. Eastern
>>>>> Daylight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _edbruckert at gmail.com_ (mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com)
>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All that means is what you are sent is not
>>>>> acceptable
>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be solved I promise at this point in my life I need
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>> as
>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM, <_Dectalk at aol.com_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brace yourselves because I don't think you guys will
>>>>> like
>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst voice is Kit. I'd do the recording for you
>>>>> guys
>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't want to be linked with this pour
>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>>> Have
>>>>>>>>>>> fun guys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 9:10:14 A.M. Eastern
>>>>> Daylight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _ratguy at insightbb.com_ (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com)
>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a sample text. I assume you can use DECtalk
>>>>> commands in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text? An
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3 of the 4.3 speak application performing this
>>>>> exact
>>>>> text can
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3_
>>>>>>>> (http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now here's the text.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:phoneme on]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello. This is the factory default Paul voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking now with this voice since this is what
>>>>> most
>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably going to be using. Let's speed it up a
>>>>> bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:ra 300]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is probably how Jayson's JFW would talk
>>>>> normally.
>>>>> Now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put some intonation in there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:dv pr 250] [:dv sr 50]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, this is how Jayson used to listen to DECtalk
>>>>> back
>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days. With 4.3 and earlier, if you could get used to
>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you would over time, this sounds pretty good! It'd
>>>>> take
>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting used to again, not having had it for so
>>>>> long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of this demo was created a few months ago
>>>>> to
>>>>> compair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test the various other factory voices and several
>>>>> custom
>>>>> voices
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different DECtalk versions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will now test the other voices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nb] I'm Beautiful Betty, the default female
>>>>> voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nh] I'm Huge Harry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] I'm Doctor Dennis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] I'm Frail Frank.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] I'm Uppity Ursula.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nr] I'm Rough Rita.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nw] I'm Whispering Wendy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nk] and I'm Kit the Kid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I'll let the DECtalk manual describe us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] Perfect Paul Standard male voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nb] Beautiful Betty Standard female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nh] Huge Harry Deep male voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] Frail Frank Older male voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nk] Kit the Kid Child's voice (about 10
>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nr] Rough Rita Deep female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] Uppity Ursula Light female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] Doctor Dennis Breathy male voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nw] Whispering Wendy Whispery female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, let's test a few custom voices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:dv br 0 la 0 sr 100 hr 100 ap 150 pr 95]
>>>>> [:ra
>>>>> 220] This
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the voice of Rimmer from Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lister, we are being tested! I don't know what to
>>>>> do!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:ra 240] [:dv br 0 hs 95 ap 100 as 100 pr 220
>>>>> hr
>>>>> 30 sr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is Lister.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rimmer! Come over here and help me with this new
>>>>> speech
>>>>>>>> synthesizer!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 sm 0 hr 0 sr
>>>>> 0]
>>>>> [:ra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 220]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is Holly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is an important announcement. All persons
>>>>> aboard
>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ship
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are to report to the voice calibration office at
>>>>> once.
>>>>> That is
>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv br 100 lx 100 bf 100 hr 100 sr 100 as 100
>>>>> qu
>>>>> 100 ap
>>>>>>>> 110
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pr 150 sx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 la 0] [:ra 210] This is the voice of the
>>>>> toaster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where this voice calibration office is.
>>>>> Does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want some toast?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv sm 1 hs 90 br 0 ri 0 la 0] [:ra 250] I'm
>>>>> the
>>>>> cat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who says my voice needs to be calibrated? I want
>>>>> fishies!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 hr 0 sr 0]
>>>>> [:ra
>>>>> 220]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Queeg 500.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of you have any credit, so you may not use the
>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>> calibrator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] [:dv as 1 bf 10 la 30 nf 10 ri 100 sm 50 hr
>>>>> 100
>>>>> sr
>>>>> 20 ap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 130] [:ra 240] I'm the newer voice of Holly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm picking something up. It's another ship. Its
>>>>> name
>>>>> is
>>>>> Deck
>>>>>>>> Talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something very close. They have been conducting
>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on us all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. That would explain why we've been saying all
>>>>> these
>>>>> silly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knew I was having trouble finding a record of any
>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calibration office on Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley"
>>>>> <_corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions"
>>>>> <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:02 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Jayson,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will do that. Could you suggest some sample
>>>>> sentences
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synthesize?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're trying to find a way to put a "demo play"
>>>>> button
>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enable website so people can type in any text
>>>>> they'd
>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hear, but our programmer hasn't been able to spend
>>>>> time
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> project right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <_ratguy at insightbb.com_
>>>>> (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any audio samples you could share?
>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elaborate on what people don't like. I pretty much
>>>>> know
>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 sounds like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley"
>>>>> <_corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions"
>>>>> <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i meant - i can't hear the differences, not being
>>>>> so
>>>>> attuned
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the various DT versions. i can hear ok, but i'm
>>>>> not
>>>>> clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the differences in quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <_ratguy at insightbb.com_
>>>>> (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wo, you actually got 4.3 working with SAPI? What
>>>>> kind
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality problems are there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley"
>>>>> <_corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions"
>>>>> <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still waiting for one of the "old" (not
>>>>> chronologically,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just in terms of contact with DT) to send some
>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 and 4.67 work in SAPI fine but preliminary
>>>>> listening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results indicate dissatisfaction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <_ratguy at insightbb.com_
>>>>> (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, it's broken record time. Anything new
>>>>> going
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SAPI DECtalk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't heard anything in a while.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
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>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
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>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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