[DECtalk] Any news?

Dectalk at aol.com Dectalk at aol.com
Thu May 5 06:57:08 EDT 2011


I agree.  This list has the best people for the  project because we know 
our stuff.
 
 
SNOOPI BOTTEN 
 
 
In a message dated 5/5/2011 6:51:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
musicalman1 at comcast.net writes:

Good  idea.
I just wish we could all have confidence and get into the mind set  that 
there is another way and that it may just happen one of these  days.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corine Bickley"  <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
To: "DECtalk Discussions"  <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 6:23  AM
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?


The programmers working on  the SAPI version should be left out of our
further discussions of what is  wanted of DECtalk. Pls do not mention
them again. The issue is  closed.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:59 AM,  <Dectalk at aol.com>  wrote:
> The problem is, Blake and I have done that. We sent a sample of  version
> 4.40 to the head programmer to show how things should sound.  We got an
> e-mail back saying our version sounded corrupted. This  person actually 
> said
> that Whispering Wendy shouldn't be  whispering. Hello, why does this 
person
> think the name is "Whispering  Wendy"?
>
> It is totally clear to Blake and I that this person  doesn't know Dectalk.
> And if version 4.40 is viewed as corrupted,  there is no hope if getting
> anything right.
>
> So because  of this, I'm hoping the project gets scrapped because this is
> becoming  in insult to Dennis Klatt.
>
>
> SNOOPI  BOTTEN
>
> In a message dated 5/5/2011 12:31:35 A.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,
> bmisch2002 at gmail.com writes:
>
> maybe you  should send the demo file over to the guys so they could hear 
>  that
> and how the other voices sound.
>
> On May 4, 2011,  at 10:10 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't give up just yet.  All they need to do is convince this guy
>> that he's wrong and there  is a huge, huge difference in this version
>> and the real 4.3  version. This new stuff reminds me of a early age
>> FonixTalk or  something with a lot of excess nasal tones.
>>
>>  Alex
>>
>> On 5/4/11, johnnybrl at gmail.com  <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well, since it looks like  there won't be a Sapi Dectalk, guess it's 
time
>>>  to
>>> look at Neospeech voices or ivona voices. It's too bad the  head
>>> programer
>>> can't tell the difference  between the Dectalk 4.6 and Dectalk 4.3
>>>  versions.
>>>
>>> O well, was really looking forward  to a Sapi version of Dectalk.
>>> ----- Original Message  -----
>>> From: "Blake Roberts"  <beroberts at hughes.net>
>>> To: "'DECtalk Discussions'"  <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04,  2011 2:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any  news?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks Alex for  being the latest list member to point out need for
>>>>  improvement. I agree with you that there are clipping/ drop-out  
issues.
>>>> Additionally, I agree the SAPI Dectalk referred to  as 4.3 is unlike 
any
>>>> version of Dectalk I have ever heard.  I, too, am unwilling to give up 
>>>> on
>>>>  SAPI Dectalk.
>>>> Blake
>>>> -----Original  Message-----
>>>> From:  dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>  [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Alex  H.
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:59  PM
>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>> Subject:  Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>
>>>> Just heard the  demo, and.... Well, I agree with Snoopi, it's terrible.
>>>> I  don't know who was telling you that nothing's wrong, but this  
doesn't
>>>> sound even remotely like any DECTalk version I've  heard.
>>>>
>>>> That being said, the Huge Harry  voice is kinda cool, but yeah there's
>>>>  some
>>>> issues with clipping and dropouts in the voices,  especially with 
Ursula
>>>> and
>>>>  Rita.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think we should give up  quite yet though, good things come to
>>>>  those
>>>> who wait. Giving up on this would mean that I and  other users of NVDA
>>>> wouldn't be able to enjoy DECTalk's  great speech.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Alex
>>>>
>>>> On 5/4/11, Jayson Smith  <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> One clarification. From  what I understand, Enable didn't purchase the
>>>>> rights  to any DECtalk version. They only have the right to sell,  not
>>>>> full copyright. As I understand it, the copyright  of DECtalk is still
>>>>> held by Fonix. I could be wrong  though, I'm no lawyer.
>>>>>  Jayson
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message  -----
>>>>> From: "Brandon Misch"  <bmisch2002 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions"  <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May  04, 2011 4:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any  news?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  it also was 4.6.7 at one time. i doubt this project will  please
>>>>> everyone.
>>>>> all we know  is enable rehab purchased the wrights to 4.6.7 from  
fonix
>>>>> and trying to use that with the 4.3 data files  wasn't a good idea.
>>>>> question is did this happen with  other versions of dectalk? or just
>>>>>  with
>>>> this  version?
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at  4:13 PM, Raymond Grote  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but many  people miss the old dectalk 4.3 days. I really  never
>>>>>> got into dectalk, but I can see why. That  version of the synth and I
>>>>>> stilll  do
>>>>>>
>>>>>> have a special  place together even though I was never a regular
>>>>>>  dectalk user. The major disappointment for many of us is it  doesn't
>>>>>> sound like that, it's worse, and to some  of us it is unusable. From
>>>>>> my  understanding,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> someone  had posted that the synth was supposed to sound like  4.6.4,
>>>>>> then somewhere along the line it was  changed to 4.3?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----  Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Brandon  Misch
>>>>>> To: DECtalk  Discussions
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:21  PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any  news?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if this was  fixed up, it could still be used as a sapi 5  synth.
>>>>>> that's  all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it needs for it to  be a screen reader  voice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 4, 2011,  at 1:13 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> cool just heard  the demo. And yes it doesn't sound like 4.3 but  
the
>>>>>>> Paul voice sounds pretty  cool.
>>>>>>> And Frank doesn't sound too bad either.  It kind of reminds me of
>>>>>>> the fonix talk demo.  sounds almost like  that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it  sounds like this version of dectalk has more inflection  
than
>>>>>>> 4.3 did, which I like. I like lots of  inflection in synthes, makes
>>>>>>> them  sound
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cool  lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Back in  high school, we had a computer with Jaws with a  Dectalk
>>>>>>> express hooked up to it, and I used to  go in there and make Dectalk
>>>>>>> say things  lol.
>>>>>>> From: Brandon  Misch
>>>>>>> To: DECtalk  Discussions
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:52  AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any  news?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if you  read below our messages, you'll see a link to a file with  
the
>>>>>>>  demo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> inside.  if you just want to use paul and a few others, it works  
but
>>>>>>> not for all  voices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May  4, 2011, at 12:45 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi,  where did you guys get the audio samples of the sapi  dectalk
>>>>>>>>  from?
>>>>>>>> sounds like you guys have already  heard it.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message  -----
>>>>>>>> From: Brandon  Misch
>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk  Discussions
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011  9:37 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any  news?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  ok some of the voices work while others don't. i can see what  you
>>>>>>>> meant by bad  quality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  On May 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Dectalk at aol.com  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  The above link is the sample that people wanted. Blake and I  are
>>>>>>>>> both told that there is no  problem. Tell that to our ears.
>>>>>>>>>  (YUCK)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  SNOOPI  BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  In a message dated 5/4/2011 11:16:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,
>>>>>>>>> edbruckert at gmail.com  writes:
>>>>>>>>> All that means is what you are  sent is not acceptable don't worry
>>>>>>>>>  it'll
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  be solved I promise at this point in my life I need it as much  
as
>>>>>>>>> anybody  else
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM, <Dectalk at aol.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Brace yourselves because I  don't think you guys will like it. The
>>>>>>>>>  very
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  worst voice is Kit. I'd do the recording for you guys but  I
>>>>>>>>> really don't want to be linked with  this pour Dectalk quality.
>>>>>>>>>  Have
>>>> fun  guys.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  SNOOPI  BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  In a message dated 5/4/2011 9:10:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,
>>>>>>>>> ratguy at insightbb.com  writes:
>>>>>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Here's a sample text. I assume you can use DECtalk commands in  
the
>>>>>>>>> text?  An
>>>>>>>>> MP3 of the 4.3 speak application  performing this exact text can 
be
>>>>>>>>>  found at
>>>>>>>>>  http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3
>>>>>>>>>  Now here's the  text.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  [:phoneme on]
>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra  250]
>>>>>>>>> Hello. This is the factory  default Paul voice.
>>>>>>>>> I'm talking now  with this voice since this is what most people  
are
>>>>>>>>> probably going to be using. Let's  speed it up a bit.
>>>>>>>>> [:ra  300]
>>>>>>>>> This is probably how Jayson's JFW  would talk normally. Now let's
>>>>>>>>> put  some intonation in there.
>>>>>>>>> [:dv pr 250]  [:dv sr 50]
>>>>>>>>> Okay, this is how Jayson  used to listen to DECtalk back in the
>>>>>>>>>  good  old
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  DOS
>>>>>>>>> days. With 4.3 and earlier, if you  could get used to this which
>>>>>>>>> you would  over time, this sounds pretty good! It'd take  some
>>>>>>>>> getting used to again, not having  had it for so long.
>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra  250]
>>>>>>>>> The rest of this demo was created  a few months ago to compair and
>>>>>>>>> test  the various other factory voices and several custom voices  
in
>>>>>>>>> different DECtalk  versions.
>>>>>>>>> I will now test the other  voices.
>>>>>>>>> [:nb] I'm Beautiful Betty, the  default female voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nh] I'm Huge  Harry.
>>>>>>>>> [:nd] I'm Doctor  Dennis.
>>>>>>>>> [:nf] I'm Frail  Frank.
>>>>>>>>> [:nu] I'm Uppity  Ursula.
>>>>>>>>> [:nr] I'm Rough  Rita.
>>>>>>>>> [:nw] I'm Whispering  Wendy.
>>>>>>>>> [:nk] and I'm Kit the  Kid.
>>>>>>>>>  [:np]
>>>>>>>>> Now I'll let the DECtalk manual  describe us.
>>>>>>>>> [:np] Perfect Paul  Standard male voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nb] Beautiful  Betty Standard female voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nh]  Huge Harry Deep male voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nf]  Frail Frank Older male voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nk]  Kit the Kid Child's voice (about 10  years
>>>>>>>>>  old).
>>>>>>>>> [:nr] Rough Rita Deep female  voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nu] Uppity Ursula Light  female voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nd] Doctor Dennis  Breathy male voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nw] Whispering  Wendy Whispery female  voice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  [:np]
>>>>>>>>> Okay, let's test a few custom  voices.
>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:dv br 0 la 0 sr 100 hr  100 ap 150 pr 95] [:ra 220] This 
is
>>>>>>>>>  the voice of Rimmer from Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>>  Lister, we are being tested! I don't know what to  do!
>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:ra 240] [:dv br 0 hs 95 ap  100 as 100 pr 220 hr 30 sr 30]
>>>>>>>>> This is  Lister.
>>>>>>>>> Rimmer! Come over here and  help me with this new speech
>>>>>>>>>  synthesizer!
>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la  20 nf 00 ri 100 sm 0 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra  
220]
>>>>>>>>> This is  Holly.
>>>>>>>>> This is an important  announcement. All persons aboard this  ship
>>>>>>>>> are to report to the voice  calibration office at once. That is 
>>>>>>>>>  all.
>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv br 100 lx 100 bf 100  hr 100 sr 100 as 100 qu 100 ap 
110
>>>>>>>>> pr  150 sx
>>>>>>>>> 1 la 0] [:ra 210] This is the  voice of the toaster.
>>>>>>>>> I don't know  where this voice calibration office is. Does  anyone
>>>>>>>>> want some  toast?
>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv sm 1 hs 90 br 0 ri 0  la 0] [:ra 250] I'm the cat.
>>>>>>>>> Who says  my voice needs to be calibrated? I want  fishies!
>>>>>>>>> [:nd] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf  00 ri 100 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220] I'm
>>>>>>>>>  Queeg 500.
>>>>>>>>> None of you have any  credit, so you may not use the voice
>>>>>>>>>  calibrator.
>>>>>>>>> [:nu] [:dv as 1 bf 10 la  30 nf 10 ri 100 sm 50 hr 100 sr 20 ap
>>>>>>>>>  130] [:ra 240] I'm the newer voice of  Holly.
>>>>>>>>> I'm picking something up. It's  another ship. Its name is Deck 
Talk
>>>>>>>>> or  something very close. They have been conducting an  experiment
>>>>>>>>> on us  all
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  this
>>>>>>>>> time. That would explain why  we've been saying all these silly
>>>>>>>>>  things.
>>>>>>>>>  I
>>>>>>>>> knew I was having trouble finding a  record of any voice
>>>>>>>>> calibration office  on Red  Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From:  "Corine Bickley"  <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>  To: "DECtalk Discussions"  <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>  Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:02 AM
>>>>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any  news?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  HI Jayson,
>>>>>>>>>> I will do that. Could  you suggest some sample sentences  to
>>>>>>>>>>  synthesize?
>>>>>>>>>> We're trying to find a  way to put a "demo play" button on  the
>>>>>>>>>> Enable website so people can  type in any text they'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>  hear, but our programmer hasn't been able to spend time on  that
>>>> project right  now.
>>>>>>>>>>  corine
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jayson  Smith
>>>>>>>>>>  <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any audio  samples you could share? Maybe I  could
>>>>>>>>>>> elaborate on what people  don't like. I pretty much know what  
DT
>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 sounds  like.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>  From: "Corine Bickley"  <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>  To: "DECtalk Discussions"  <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:53  PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any  news?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  i meant - i can't hear the differences, not being so attuned  
to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the various DT  versions. i can hear ok, but i'm not clear  on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the differences in  quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jayson  Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>  <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Wo, you actually got 4.3 working with SAPI? What kind  of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality problems  are there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message  -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine  Bickley"  <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  To: "DECtalk Discussions"  <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:14  PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:  [DECtalk] Any  news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Still waiting for one of the "old" (not  chronologically,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  just in terms of contact with DT) to send some more  
versions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for  testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 and  4.67 work in SAPI fine but preliminary  listening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results  indicate  dissatisfaction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  corine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jayson  Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay,  it's broken record time. Anything new going on  with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SAPI  DECtalk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Haven't heard anything in a  while.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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