[DECtalk] Any news?
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Thu May 5 06:25:51 EDT 2011
Case in point.
SNOOPI BOTTEN
In a message dated 5/5/2011 6:23:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu writes:
The programmers working on the SAPI version should be left out of our
further discussions of what is wanted of DECtalk. Pls do not mention
them again. The issue is closed.
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:59 AM, <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
> The problem is, Blake and I have done that. We sent a sample of version
> 4.40 to the head programmer to show how things should sound. We got an
> e-mail back saying our version sounded corrupted. This person actually
said
> that Whispering Wendy shouldn't be whispering. Hello, why does this
person
> think the name is "Whispering Wendy"?
>
> It is totally clear to Blake and I that this person doesn't know Dectalk.
> And if version 4.40 is viewed as corrupted, there is no hope if getting
> anything right.
>
> So because of this, I'm hoping the project gets scrapped because this is
> becoming in insult to Dennis Klatt.
>
>
> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>
> In a message dated 5/5/2011 12:31:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> bmisch2002 at gmail.com writes:
>
> maybe you should send the demo file over to the guys so they could hear
that
> and how the other voices sound.
>
> On May 4, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't give up just yet. All they need to do is convince this guy
>> that he's wrong and there is a huge, huge difference in this version
>> and the real 4.3 version. This new stuff reminds me of a early age
>> FonixTalk or something with a lot of excess nasal tones.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 5/4/11, johnnybrl at gmail.com <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well, since it looks like there won't be a Sapi Dectalk, guess it's
time
>>> to
>>> look at Neospeech voices or ivona voices. It's too bad the head
>>> programer
>>> can't tell the difference between the Dectalk 4.6 and Dectalk 4.3
>>> versions.
>>>
>>> O well, was really looking forward to a Sapi version of Dectalk.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Blake Roberts" <beroberts at hughes.net>
>>> To: "'DECtalk Discussions'" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks Alex for being the latest list member to point out need for
>>>> improvement. I agree with you that there are clipping/ drop-out
issues.
>>>> Additionally, I agree the SAPI Dectalk referred to as 4.3 is unlike
any
>>>> version of Dectalk I have ever heard. I, too, am unwilling to give up
on
>>>> SAPI Dectalk.
>>>> Blake
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com
>>>> [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Alex H.
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:59 PM
>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>
>>>> Just heard the demo, and.... Well, I agree with Snoopi, it's terrible.
>>>> I don't know who was telling you that nothing's wrong, but this
doesn't
>>>> sound even remotely like any DECTalk version I've heard.
>>>>
>>>> That being said, the Huge Harry voice is kinda cool, but yeah there's
>>>> some
>>>> issues with clipping and dropouts in the voices, especially with
Ursula
>>>> and
>>>> Rita.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think we should give up quite yet though, good things come to
>>>> those
>>>> who wait. Giving up on this would mean that I and other users of NVDA
>>>> wouldn't be able to enjoy DECTalk's great speech.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On 5/4/11, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> One clarification. From what I understand, Enable didn't purchase the
>>>>> rights to any DECtalk version. They only have the right to sell, not
>>>>> full copyright. As I understand it, the copyright of DECtalk is still
>>>>> held by Fonix. I could be wrong though, I'm no lawyer.
>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Brandon Misch" <bmisch2002 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> it also was 4.6.7 at one time. i doubt this project will please
>>>>> everyone.
>>>>> all we know is enable rehab purchased the wrights to 4.6.7 from
fonix
>>>>> and trying to use that with the 4.3 data files wasn't a good idea.
>>>>> question is did this happen with other versions of dectalk? or just
>>>>> with
>>>> this version?
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Raymond Grote wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but many people miss the old dectalk 4.3 days. I really never
>>>>>> got into dectalk, but I can see why. That version of the synth and I
>>>>>> stilll do
>>>>>>
>>>>>> have a special place together even though I was never a regular
>>>>>> dectalk user. The major disappointment for many of us is it doesn't
>>>>>> sound like that, it's worse, and to some of us it is unusable. From
>>>>>> my understanding,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> someone had posted that the synth was supposed to sound like 4.6.4,
>>>>>> then somewhere along the line it was changed to 4.3?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if this was fixed up, it could still be used as a sapi 5 synth.
>>>>>> that's all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it needs for it to be a screen reader voice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:13 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> cool just heard the demo. And yes it doesn't sound like 4.3 but
the
>>>>>>> Paul voice sounds pretty cool.
>>>>>>> And Frank doesn't sound too bad either. It kind of reminds me of
>>>>>>> the fonix talk demo. sounds almost like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it sounds like this version of dectalk has more inflection
than
>>>>>>> 4.3 did, which I like. I like lots of inflection in synthes, makes
>>>>>>> them sound
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cool lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Back in high school, we had a computer with Jaws with a Dectalk
>>>>>>> express hooked up to it, and I used to go in there and make Dectalk
>>>>>>> say things lol.
>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:52 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> if you read below our messages, you'll see a link to a file with
the
>>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> inside. if you just want to use paul and a few others, it works
but
>>>>>>> not for all voices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:45 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi, where did you guys get the audio samples of the sapi dectalk
>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>> sounds like you guys have already heard it.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:37 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ok some of the voices work while others don't. i can see what you
>>>>>>>> meant by bad quality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Dectalk at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The above link is the sample that people wanted. Blake and I
are
>>>>>>>>> both told that there is no problem. Tell that to our ears.
>>>>>>>>> (YUCK)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 11:16:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>>> edbruckert at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>>> All that means is what you are sent is not acceptable don't worry
>>>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> be solved I promise at this point in my life I need it as much
as
>>>>>>>>> anybody else
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM, <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Brace yourselves because I don't think you guys will like it.
The
>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> worst voice is Kit. I'd do the recording for you guys but I
>>>>>>>>> really don't want to be linked with this pour Dectalk quality.
>>>>>>>>> Have
>>>> fun guys.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 9:10:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>>> ratguy at insightbb.com writes:
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's a sample text. I assume you can use DECtalk commands in
the
>>>>>>>>> text? An
>>>>>>>>> MP3 of the 4.3 speak application performing this exact text can
be
>>>>>>>>> found at
>>>>>>>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3
>>>>>>>>> Now here's the text.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [:phoneme on]
>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>>>> Hello. This is the factory default Paul voice.
>>>>>>>>> I'm talking now with this voice since this is what most people
are
>>>>>>>>> probably going to be using. Let's speed it up a bit.
>>>>>>>>> [:ra 300]
>>>>>>>>> This is probably how Jayson's JFW would talk normally. Now let's
>>>>>>>>> put some intonation in there.
>>>>>>>>> [:dv pr 250] [:dv sr 50]
>>>>>>>>> Okay, this is how Jayson used to listen to DECtalk back in the
>>>>>>>>> good old
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DOS
>>>>>>>>> days. With 4.3 and earlier, if you could get used to this which
>>>>>>>>> you would over time, this sounds pretty good! It'd take some
>>>>>>>>> getting used to again, not having had it for so long.
>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>>>> The rest of this demo was created a few months ago to compair and
>>>>>>>>> test the various other factory voices and several custom voices
in
>>>>>>>>> different DECtalk versions.
>>>>>>>>> I will now test the other voices.
>>>>>>>>> [:nb] I'm Beautiful Betty, the default female voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nh] I'm Huge Harry.
>>>>>>>>> [:nd] I'm Doctor Dennis.
>>>>>>>>> [:nf] I'm Frail Frank.
>>>>>>>>> [:nu] I'm Uppity Ursula.
>>>>>>>>> [:nr] I'm Rough Rita.
>>>>>>>>> [:nw] I'm Whispering Wendy.
>>>>>>>>> [:nk] and I'm Kit the Kid.
>>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>>>> Now I'll let the DECtalk manual describe us.
>>>>>>>>> [:np] Perfect Paul Standard male voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nb] Beautiful Betty Standard female voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nh] Huge Harry Deep male voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nf] Frail Frank Older male voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nk] Kit the Kid Child's voice (about 10
years
>>>>>>>>> old).
>>>>>>>>> [:nr] Rough Rita Deep female voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nu] Uppity Ursula Light female voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nd] Doctor Dennis Breathy male voice.
>>>>>>>>> [:nw] Whispering Wendy Whispery female voice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>>>> Okay, let's test a few custom voices.
>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:dv br 0 la 0 sr 100 hr 100 ap 150 pr 95] [:ra 220] This
is
>>>>>>>>> the voice of Rimmer from Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>> Lister, we are being tested! I don't know what to do!
>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:ra 240] [:dv br 0 hs 95 ap 100 as 100 pr 220 hr 30 sr 30]
>>>>>>>>> This is Lister.
>>>>>>>>> Rimmer! Come over here and help me with this new speech
>>>>>>>>> synthesizer!
>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 sm 0 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra
220]
>>>>>>>>> This is Holly.
>>>>>>>>> This is an important announcement. All persons aboard this ship
>>>>>>>>> are to report to the voice calibration office at once. That is
all.
>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv br 100 lx 100 bf 100 hr 100 sr 100 as 100 qu 100 ap
110
>>>>>>>>> pr 150 sx
>>>>>>>>> 1 la 0] [:ra 210] This is the voice of the toaster.
>>>>>>>>> I don't know where this voice calibration office is. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>> want some toast?
>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv sm 1 hs 90 br 0 ri 0 la 0] [:ra 250] I'm the cat.
>>>>>>>>> Who says my voice needs to be calibrated? I want fishies!
>>>>>>>>> [:nd] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220] I'm
>>>>>>>>> Queeg 500.
>>>>>>>>> None of you have any credit, so you may not use the voice
>>>>>>>>> calibrator.
>>>>>>>>> [:nu] [:dv as 1 bf 10 la 30 nf 10 ri 100 sm 50 hr 100 sr 20 ap
>>>>>>>>> 130] [:ra 240] I'm the newer voice of Holly.
>>>>>>>>> I'm picking something up. It's another ship. Its name is Deck
Talk
>>>>>>>>> or something very close. They have been conducting an experiment
>>>>>>>>> on us all
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> time. That would explain why we've been saying all these silly
>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> knew I was having trouble finding a record of any voice
>>>>>>>>> calibration office on Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:02 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HI Jayson,
>>>>>>>>>> I will do that. Could you suggest some sample sentences to
>>>>>>>>>> synthesize?
>>>>>>>>>> We're trying to find a way to put a "demo play" button on the
>>>>>>>>>> Enable website so people can type in any text they'd like to
>>>>>>>>>> hear, but our programmer hasn't been able to spend time on that
>>>> project right now.
>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any audio samples you could share? Maybe I could
>>>>>>>>>>> elaborate on what people don't like. I pretty much know what
DT
>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 sounds like.
>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> i meant - i can't hear the differences, not being so attuned
to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the various DT versions. i can hear ok, but i'm not clear on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the differences in quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wo, you actually got 4.3 working with SAPI? What kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality problems are there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still waiting for one of the "old" (not chronologically,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just in terms of contact with DT) to send some more
versions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 and 4.67 work in SAPI fine but preliminary listening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results indicate dissatisfaction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, it's broken record time. Anything new going on with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SAPI DECtalk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't heard anything in a while.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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