[DECtalk] Any news?
Brandon Misch
bmisch2002 at gmail.com
Thu May 5 00:31:19 EDT 2011
maybe you should send the demo file over to the guys so they could hear that and how the other voices sound.
On May 4, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Alex H. wrote:
> I wouldn't give up just yet. All they need to do is convince this guy
> that he's wrong and there is a huge, huge difference in this version
> and the real 4.3 version. This new stuff reminds me of a early age
> FonixTalk or something with a lot of excess nasal tones.
>
> Alex
>
> On 5/4/11, johnnybrl at gmail.com <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, since it looks like there won't be a Sapi Dectalk, guess it's time to
>> look at Neospeech voices or ivona voices. It's too bad the head programer
>> can't tell the difference between the Dectalk 4.6 and Dectalk 4.3 versions.
>>
>> O well, was really looking forward to a Sapi version of Dectalk.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Blake Roberts" <beroberts at hughes.net>
>> To: "'DECtalk Discussions'" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>
>>
>>> Thanks Alex for being the latest list member to point out need for
>>> improvement. I agree with you that there are clipping/ drop-out issues.
>>> Additionally, I agree the SAPI Dectalk referred to as 4.3 is unlike any
>>> version of Dectalk I have ever heard. I, too, am unwilling to give up on
>>> SAPI Dectalk.
>>> Blake
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com
>>> [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Alex H.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:59 PM
>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>
>>> Just heard the demo, and.... Well, I agree with Snoopi, it's terrible.
>>> I don't know who was telling you that nothing's wrong, but this doesn't
>>> sound even remotely like any DECTalk version I've heard.
>>>
>>> That being said, the Huge Harry voice is kinda cool, but yeah there's some
>>> issues with clipping and dropouts in the voices, especially with Ursula
>>> and
>>> Rita.
>>>
>>> I don't think we should give up quite yet though, good things come to
>>> those
>>> who wait. Giving up on this would mean that I and other users of NVDA
>>> wouldn't be able to enjoy DECTalk's great speech.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On 5/4/11, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> One clarification. From what I understand, Enable didn't purchase the
>>>> rights to any DECtalk version. They only have the right to sell, not
>>>> full copyright. As I understand it, the copyright of DECtalk is still
>>>> held by Fonix. I could be wrong though, I'm no lawyer.
>>>> Jayson
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Brandon Misch" <bmisch2002 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it also was 4.6.7 at one time. i doubt this project will please everyone.
>>>> all we know is enable rehab purchased the wrights to 4.6.7 from fonix
>>>> and trying to use that with the 4.3 data files wasn't a good idea.
>>>> question is did this happen with other versions of dectalk? or just with
>>> this version?
>>>>
>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Raymond Grote wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but many people miss the old dectalk 4.3 days. I really never
>>>>> got into dectalk, but I can see why. That version of the synth and I
>>>>> stilll do
>>>>>
>>>>> have a special place together even though I was never a regular
>>>>> dectalk user. The major disappointment for many of us is it doesn't
>>>>> sound like that, it's worse, and to some of us it is unusable. From
>>>>> my understanding,
>>>>>
>>>>> someone had posted that the synth was supposed to sound like 4.6.4,
>>>>> then somewhere along the line it was changed to 4.3?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>
>>>>> if this was fixed up, it could still be used as a sapi 5 synth.
>>>>> that's all
>>>>>
>>>>> it needs for it to be a screen reader voice.
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:13 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> cool just heard the demo. And yes it doesn't sound like 4.3 but the
>>>>>> Paul voice sounds pretty cool.
>>>>>> And Frank doesn't sound too bad either. It kind of reminds me of
>>>>>> the fonix talk demo. sounds almost like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it sounds like this version of dectalk has more inflection than
>>>>>> 4.3 did, which I like. I like lots of inflection in synthes, makes
>>>>>> them sound
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cool lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back in high school, we had a computer with Jaws with a Dectalk
>>>>>> express hooked up to it, and I used to go in there and make Dectalk
>>>>>> say things lol.
>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:52 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if you read below our messages, you'll see a link to a file with the
>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> inside. if you just want to use paul and a few others, it works but
>>>>>> not for all voices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:45 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hi, where did you guys get the audio samples of the sapi dectalk from?
>>>>>>> sounds like you guys have already heard it.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:37 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ok some of the voices work while others don't. i can see what you
>>>>>>> meant by bad quality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Dectalk at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The above link is the sample that people wanted. Blake and I are
>>>>>>>> both told that there is no problem. Tell that to our ears.
>>>>>>>> (YUCK)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 11:16:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>> edbruckert at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>> All that means is what you are sent is not acceptable don't worry
>>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> be solved I promise at this point in my life I need it as much as
>>>>>>>> anybody else
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM, <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Brace yourselves because I don't think you guys will like it. The
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> worst voice is Kit. I'd do the recording for you guys but I
>>>>>>>> really don't want to be linked with this pour Dectalk quality. Have
>>> fun guys.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 9:10:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>> ratguy at insightbb.com writes:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's a sample text. I assume you can use DECtalk commands in the
>>>>>>>> text? An
>>>>>>>> MP3 of the 4.3 speak application performing this exact text can be
>>>>>>>> found at
>>>>>>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3
>>>>>>>> Now here's the text.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [:phoneme on]
>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>>> Hello. This is the factory default Paul voice.
>>>>>>>> I'm talking now with this voice since this is what most people are
>>>>>>>> probably going to be using. Let's speed it up a bit.
>>>>>>>> [:ra 300]
>>>>>>>> This is probably how Jayson's JFW would talk normally. Now let's
>>>>>>>> put some intonation in there.
>>>>>>>> [:dv pr 250] [:dv sr 50]
>>>>>>>> Okay, this is how Jayson used to listen to DECtalk back in the
>>>>>>>> good old
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DOS
>>>>>>>> days. With 4.3 and earlier, if you could get used to this which
>>>>>>>> you would over time, this sounds pretty good! It'd take some
>>>>>>>> getting used to again, not having had it for so long.
>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>>> The rest of this demo was created a few months ago to compair and
>>>>>>>> test the various other factory voices and several custom voices in
>>>>>>>> different DECtalk versions.
>>>>>>>> I will now test the other voices.
>>>>>>>> [:nb] I'm Beautiful Betty, the default female voice.
>>>>>>>> [:nh] I'm Huge Harry.
>>>>>>>> [:nd] I'm Doctor Dennis.
>>>>>>>> [:nf] I'm Frail Frank.
>>>>>>>> [:nu] I'm Uppity Ursula.
>>>>>>>> [:nr] I'm Rough Rita.
>>>>>>>> [:nw] I'm Whispering Wendy.
>>>>>>>> [:nk] and I'm Kit the Kid.
>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>>> Now I'll let the DECtalk manual describe us.
>>>>>>>> [:np] Perfect Paul Standard male voice.
>>>>>>>> [:nb] Beautiful Betty Standard female voice.
>>>>>>>> [:nh] Huge Harry Deep male voice.
>>>>>>>> [:nf] Frail Frank Older male voice.
>>>>>>>> [:nk] Kit the Kid Child's voice (about 10 years
>>>>>>>> old).
>>>>>>>> [:nr] Rough Rita Deep female voice.
>>>>>>>> [:nu] Uppity Ursula Light female voice.
>>>>>>>> [:nd] Doctor Dennis Breathy male voice.
>>>>>>>> [:nw] Whispering Wendy Whispery female voice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>>> Okay, let's test a few custom voices.
>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:dv br 0 la 0 sr 100 hr 100 ap 150 pr 95] [:ra 220] This is
>>>>>>>> the voice of Rimmer from Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>> Lister, we are being tested! I don't know what to do!
>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:ra 240] [:dv br 0 hs 95 ap 100 as 100 pr 220 hr 30 sr 30]
>>>>>>>> This is Lister.
>>>>>>>> Rimmer! Come over here and help me with this new speech synthesizer!
>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 sm 0 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220]
>>>>>>>> This is Holly.
>>>>>>>> This is an important announcement. All persons aboard this ship
>>>>>>>> are to report to the voice calibration office at once. That is all.
>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv br 100 lx 100 bf 100 hr 100 sr 100 as 100 qu 100 ap 110
>>>>>>>> pr 150 sx
>>>>>>>> 1 la 0] [:ra 210] This is the voice of the toaster.
>>>>>>>> I don't know where this voice calibration office is. Does anyone
>>>>>>>> want some toast?
>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv sm 1 hs 90 br 0 ri 0 la 0] [:ra 250] I'm the cat.
>>>>>>>> Who says my voice needs to be calibrated? I want fishies!
>>>>>>>> [:nd] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220] I'm
>>>>>>>> Queeg 500.
>>>>>>>> None of you have any credit, so you may not use the voice calibrator.
>>>>>>>> [:nu] [:dv as 1 bf 10 la 30 nf 10 ri 100 sm 50 hr 100 sr 20 ap
>>>>>>>> 130] [:ra 240] I'm the newer voice of Holly.
>>>>>>>> I'm picking something up. It's another ship. Its name is Deck Talk
>>>>>>>> or something very close. They have been conducting an experiment
>>>>>>>> on us all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> time. That would explain why we've been saying all these silly
>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> knew I was having trouble finding a record of any voice
>>>>>>>> calibration office on Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:02 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HI Jayson,
>>>>>>>>> I will do that. Could you suggest some sample sentences to
>>>>>>>>> synthesize?
>>>>>>>>> We're trying to find a way to put a "demo play" button on the
>>>>>>>>> Enable website so people can type in any text they'd like to
>>>>>>>>> hear, but our programmer hasn't been able to spend time on that
>>> project right now.
>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any audio samples you could share? Maybe I could
>>>>>>>>>> elaborate on what people don't like. I pretty much know what DT
>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 sounds like.
>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i meant - i can't hear the differences, not being so attuned to
>>>>>>>>>>> the various DT versions. i can hear ok, but i'm not clear on
>>>>>>>>>>> the differences in quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wo, you actually got 4.3 working with SAPI? What kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>> quality problems are there?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still waiting for one of the "old" (not chronologically,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just in terms of contact with DT) to send some more versions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 and 4.67 work in SAPI fine but preliminary listening
>>>>>>>>>>>>> results indicate dissatisfaction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, it's broken record time. Anything new going on with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SAPI DECtalk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't heard anything in a while.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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