[DECtalk] TEST

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Tue Jun 28 21:27:33 EDT 2011


Same here.  Communication device companies are  moving away from Dectalk, 
but all can run SAPI.  So in the very near future  a singing SAPI will be 
badly needed so the disabled can talk and  sing.
 
 
SNOOPI BOTTEN 
 
 
In a message dated 6/28/2011 8:52:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
beroberts at hughes.net writes:

Thank you Ed. Your clarifications and perspective are  invaluable. I had no 
idea all Dectalk code has the ability to sing and always  will. Wow!
 
I also want to  express an oppinion regarding SAPI Dectalk. Since all 
Dectalk code can sing, I  would rather buy a SAPI Dectalk that can sing rather 
than a  SAPI bundled with a special Speak window. This way, the customer gets  
everything in one package.
Blake

 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:51 PM
To: DECtalk  Discussions
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] TEST



For clarity, no singing code has ever been or will be removed from  
DECtalk, because I'm the only one that knows how to do it and I wouldn't. So  any 
version released will work with both sat and by definition dapi
sso speak will work, say will work etc. 
       my hypothesis is that if you install  sapi from Corine then 
overtime, we can supply different versions of DECtalk  and you can take your pick. 


On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Jayson Smith <_ratguy at insightbb.com_ 
(mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) >  wrote:

Hi,

Ed, I started this message nearly an hour ago  but then got called away.
Therefore, I haven't read anything others might  have said since.

Please stay, we need you. I hate to put it like  that, but it seems that in
all this, you have the historical perspective,  and also the experience of
creating DECtalk versions after Dennis passed  away.

Here's an idea I just came up with. This would hopefully  satisfy all sides
involved. Release the SAPI, without the singing and  other advanced
capabilities if that is for some reason needed. But also  offer to more
advanced users a Speak window which uses the newly  developed software, but
with all features enabled. Obviously I have no  idea if Enable is removing
code from the actual DECtalk DLL or rendering  it inoperative in order to
disable the advanced functions, or keeping the  DECtalk DLL intact and 
fixing
the SAPI so there's no way the end user can  access those functions. If the
DECtalk DLL is a full, uncrippled DECtalk,  my thought would be to create a
new Speak window, using modern  programming techniques in order to insure
accessibility as well as  compatibility for years to come. The thing is, the
new Speak window  wouldn't be any good on its own. It would need the DECtalk
DLL. So where  do you get that? Of course! By buying the SAPI.
Just my  thoughts.
Jayson



----- Original Message -----
From: "ebruckert Bruckert"  <_edbruckert at gmail.com_ 
(mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com) >
To:  "DECtalk Discussions" <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ 
(mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
Sent:  Tuesday, June 28, 2011 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] TEST


OK  guys enough. I am a little tired of the misinformation and confusion  
and
blaming going on. What careens money has done really is get this  SAPI
portion working. I'm trying to get some old DLLs working. I do not  get any
monetary compensation so I can't have any evil intent as you  purport to
other people. You mentioned putting it old klatttalk  setttings, which by 
the
way there aren't any. The synthesizer Digital  Equipment Corporation 
received
from Dennis was incomplete. It had only  the pH files for handling phonemic
input and the vocal tract model, it  did not even have letter to sound rules
which were functional. As a point  of interest historically 4.3 was one of
the favorite versions and it was  done by me as Dennis was dead. Singing –
the code for singing is the same  as it was when Dennis finished it with one
exception. The original  version used a physics music scale which turns out
to be slightly  different than the musicians music scale. Other than that 
the
singing  code has never changed, except for enhanced version of singing 
which
was  done on a special Hebrew cantering product. There is a danger  clearly
expressed in the manual that if you muck around with parameters  especially
gain parameters things can get strange and these are version  specific
because to achieve maximum quality a long program was run to  calculate each
filter gain in the vocal track for every single voice. The  incompatibility
results from a mathematical issue not anything else. Due  to platform
restrictions we weren't able to go to a floating point  calculation which
would've solved all these problems.
I am slow  because I'm almost blind myself but I said a long time ago that 
it
was my  goal to make sure you hit a DECtalk it was reasonable not identical.
I  say this because I sat there with 4.3 code in front of me comparing it  
to
the code I was working on including pitch tracks and other  measurements and
just plain looking at the code and although they were  very very close 
people
preferred what they've gotten used to. Many of the  changes that occurred
were a result of Microsoft constantly changing  things it was impossible for
many different reasons for the original code  to be compiled and there are
also reasons why it was very difficult to  determine what the code actually
did and what it was supposed to do.  There were many instances where the 
code
obviously didn't do what  Dennis's comments said it was supposed to do other
things were even legal  C constructs in that you could not tell how the
compiler would handle the  ambiguous statements.
I've been laying back  waiting for some of the smoke and dust to
settle Now my real question is  should I get to work or should I go away. 
The
detailed issues are more  complicated than either of Corine her any of you
really know. I had  programmers leave because they found the complexity of
the whole  darn thing to intimidating.
As a tiny example, if a data entry error is  made in the locus data, that 
can
create a significant problem causing the  synthesizer to squeal forever and
yet be incredibly difficult to  find.
His forests beat goes it's really just a  program to shovel stuff to
DECtalk so it can be posted anywhere it was an  example of how to talk to
DECtalk. Like everything else the value is not  in speak but is in the
knowledge of how to program it for singing. And  it's only useful if you
happen to have a DECtalk already is the DECtalk  DLL cannot be distributed
freely and speak doesn't talk sappy it only  talks to eight DECtalk. It uses
the DECtalk application interface, sapi  is simply a mapping of a 
universally
defined set of commands for Windows  into device specific commands. So if
people want I can send out some  samples of something I've worked on
following normal procedures we only  work on one voice until we were ready 
to
release because of the tuning  issues.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:33 PM, <_Dectalk at aol.com_ 
(mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) > wrote:

>  **
> *Ok, and I just got an email from Corine who still doesn't get  it.  She's
> saying that if anyone wants to sing using Dectalk,  she's sending everyone
> to
> me for a free speak  window.*
> **
> *Uh, there's already an updated version of  Windows 7 that the speak 
window
> won't run on.  What happens  when a future Windows doesn't include virtual
> XP?  What if  everything switches to a droid platform?  I already can't 
get
>  speak running on certain computers.*
> **
> *Who do I call when  I can't get the speak window working for people?  
This
> is not  fare to me.*
> **
> **
> *SNOOPI BOTTEN *
>    **
>  In a message dated 6/28/2011 1:18:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,
> _ratguy at insightbb.com_ (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com)   writes:
>
> Hi,
>
> I actually wasn't responding to  that last message, but that's the one I
> hit
>
> reply  to. I was actually responding to your thought yesterday that you
>  might
> have been removed from the list for your earlier comments.  That's not
> going
>
> to happen.
>  Jayson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <_Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) >
> To: <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 12:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk]  TEST
>
>
> > You miss understood me.  I'm not  concerned about  being removed from 
the
> > list.  Corine  in no way wants anyone to see the  prototype.  So I was
>  > saying,
> > the link to the prototype will only work until  Corine tells Dave to
> > take
>
> > it
>  > down.  Or, the site my  crash.
> >
>  >
> > SNOOPI BOTTEN
> >
> >
> > In a  message dated 6/28/2011 11:10:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > _ratguy at insightbb.com_ (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com)  writes:
>  >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Let me just repeat something  after all this discussion.  Snoopi, you 
are
> > not
>  > being removed from this list. I am the only person on  Earth with  the
> > authority to remove people from this list or do any  other
> > administrative
> > job. And as far as I'm  concerned, this whole discussion is  valuable.
> >  Nobody
> > will be removed from this list for anything they said or  may say on
> > this
> > topic.
> >
>  > I want to state something else too. As I see  it, there are  several
> > schools
> > of DECtalk users and fans. There  are some  who like the DECtalk speech
> and
> > probably  would use it with their screen  reader if they could, or maybe
>  > use
> > it along with a text to MP3 program  such as Text  Aloud, but don't have
> > any
> > other more elaborate use  for it.  Then there are those who think it's
> cool
> >  that DECtalk can sing and do all  this neat stuff and enjoy listening  
to
> > others' creations, but don't have a  clue how to  actually make DECtalk
> > do
> > any
> > of those  things. Then there are  probably several classes of more
>  advanced
> > DECtalk users who, at the high  end, could  probably transcribe 
arbitrary
> > text
> > into phonemes  in their  sleep. These are the people making the 
elaborate
> >  DECtalk songs and skits.  And finally, there are the users with
>  > disabilities
> > requiring them to use  DECtalk to speak  and/or sing. These users almost
> > certainly fit into all  the previous classes of users I've discussed. I
> >  fit
> > somewhere in the third  class of users, the more  advanced DECtalkists.
> > So
> > as
> > you can  see, this  SAPI is obviously targeted toward the more basic
>  > user,
> > who
> > just wants to  use it with  their screen reader or other SAPI-enabled
> > applications,  nothing more.
> >
> > Regarding the Speak windows,  yes it's true that new  hardware and new
> > operating systems  might come along under which the Speak  windows won't
> >  run.
> > However, all is not truly lost even then. As long as,  say, a virtual
> > machine
> > running XP can run  under whatever native  hardware/OS is being used,
> Speak
>  > can then be run under that. Not the most  ideal solution I do  admit, 
but
> > still, it's better than nothing.
>  >
> > I  personally would like to see the SAPI provide all  DECtalk's 
features,
> > but
> > it's clear to me that, for  whatever reason, that's not going to  
happen.
> >  Jayson
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >  From:  <_Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) >
> > To:  <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>  > Sent:  Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:21 AM
> > Subject: Re:  [DECtalk] TEST
> >
> >
> >>  __http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/__ 
(http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/_) 
>  >>  (_http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/_ 
(http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/) )
>  >>
> >> Ok, we  have an unstable prototype that keeps  crashing.  I'm forcing
> > Dave
> >> to keep  it up until Corine tells him to remove  it.  It  talks, but  I
> >> haven't
> >> been able to get it to say  anything  this  morning.
> >>
> >>  Basically the plan is to reset it to  Klattalk settings  but call  it
> >> Dectalk
> >> Classic.   And, it won't  sing.
> >>
> >>
> >> SNOOPI  BOTTEN
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message  dated 6/28/2011 8:42:05 A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>  _bmisch2002 at gmail.com_ (mailto:bmisch2002 at gmail.com)  writes:
>  >>
> >> so  how  is that version coming along  and are the other languages 
going
> > to
> >> be  included  or just us english?
> >>
> >>
>  >> On  Jun 27, 2011, at 6:33 PM, FRIDO ORDEMANN  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
>  >>
> >> There are other users of  DECtalk than those  who use  it for singing.
> >>
> >>
>  >>  ____________________________________
> >> From:  "_Dectalk at aol.com_  (mailto:_Dectalk at aol.com_ 
(mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) ) "  <_Dectalk at aol.com_
> >>  (mailto:_Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) ) >
> >> To:  _dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_  (mailto:_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ 
(mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) )
>  >> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011  2:10:43  PM
> >>  Subject: Re: [DECtalk]  TEST
> >>
> >>  Actually I was scared I was  removed for exploding on the list  last
> > night.
> >> I also find it odd that  Corine never apologized for her  misleading
> >>  post.
> >> I'm still in total  shock at how her post was  worded.  And to post
> >> that
> >  on
> >> the list when we  all have a  speak window or  other form of Dectalk.
> > Heck,
> >> if
>  >> I did  have  a singing SAPI, why would anyone buy her  non-singing
> > version?
> >>
> >> That  post just totally made no  sense to  me.  I still feel bad  about
> >> my
> >> response, but I was and  still  am angry.
> >>
> >>
>  >> SNOOPI   BOTTEN
> >>
> >>
>  >> In a message dated 6/27/2011 1:22:03 P.M.  Eastern  Daylight Time,
> >> _linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com_  (mailto:_linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com_ 
(mailto:linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com) )  writes:
> >>
> >> Your  message  came  through. It's all good.
> >>
> >> Alex
>  >>
> >> On 6/27/2011  12:58  PM,  _Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:_Dectalk at aol.com_ 
(mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) )
> >  wrote:
> >> My mail got too full, so I'm just making sure  everything  is ok.
> >>
> >>
>  >> SNOOPI BOTTEN
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