[DECtalk] TEST
Dectalk at aol.com
Dectalk at aol.com
Tue Jun 28 15:46:39 EDT 2011
Thank you Ed. Just so you know, Corine was the one that told me they were
using Klattalk default settings. Then she wanted to name it "Dectalk
Classic".
Here is my own opinion. If this SAPI sings and only if it sings, then put
it out. Maybe I'm out of line, but I have worked with Dectalk since 1989,
I was instrumental in Corine even trying to create a SAPI, and if I am
going to be a part of doing the dictionary, I want it to sing!
Yes I sing with it, but I'm not the only one. And if it doesn't sing,
please don't ask me to do the dictionary. How can you cut off a part of who I
am and then want my help? I can't, and it's not right for anyone to
expect me to.
If the SAPI won't sing, please put it to rest. Too many people have
gotten awards for what they have done with Dectalk. I alone have gotten the Da
Vinci Award. This is all thanks to Dennis Klatt. If there is ever a
museum of Dennis's work, I dream of having my CDs in that museum because people
like me are an end result of his fine dream.
Kill the singing, you kill the legacy, not only for today, but for all
futures generations. And, I won't be able to do more CDs. Yes, today I have
the speak Window, but what about tomorrow. If vu take away my music, you
are telling me and others like me to go away.
I'm sorry, but as cold as this sounds, if this SAPI won't sing, please go
away. I believe in my heart that Dennis would want this to sing. I sing
with it every day of my life, I give concerts, I am his dream. I went past
anything he ever dreamed of and I have raised the bar. Take away the
singing, and you take away the bar and the dreams for the next generation.
Nothing on Earth is colder than that.
SNOOPI BOTTEN
In a message dated 6/28/2011 2:37:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
edbruckert at gmail.com writes:
OK guys enough. I am a little tired of the misinformation and confusion
and blaming going on. What careens money has done really is get this SAPI
portion working. I'm trying to get some old DLLs working. I do not get any
monetary compensation so I can't have any evil intent as you purport to other
people. You mentioned putting it old klatttalk setttings, which by the way
there aren't any. The synthesizer Digital Equipment Corporation received
from Dennis was incomplete. It had only the pH files for handling phonemic
input and the vocal tract model, it did not even have letter to sound rules
which were functional. As a point of interest historically 4.3 was one of the
favorite versions and it was done by me as Dennis was dead. Singing – the
code for singing is the same as it was when Dennis finished it with one
exception. The original version used a physics music scale which turns out to
be slightly different than the musicians music scale. Other than that the
singing code has never changed, except for enhanced version of singing which
was done on a special Hebrew cantering product. There is a danger clearly
expressed in the manual that if you muck around with parameters especially
gain parameters things can get strange and these are version specific
because to achieve maximum quality a long program was run to calculate each
filter gain in the vocal track for every single voice. The incompatibility
results from a mathematical issue not anything else. Due to platform
restrictions we weren't able to go to a floating point calculation which would've
solved all these problems.
I am slow because I'm almost blind myself but I said a long time ago that
it was my goal to make sure you hit a DECtalk it was reasonable not
identical. I say this because I sat there with 4.3 code in front of me comparing it
to the code I was working on including pitch tracks and other measurements
and just plain looking at the code and although they were very very close
people preferred what they've gotten used to. Many of the changes that
occurred were a result of Microsoft constantly changing things it was
impossible for many different reasons for the original code to be compiled and there
are also reasons why it was very difficult to determine what the code
actually did and what it was supposed to do. There were many instances where
the code obviously didn't do what Dennis's comments said it was supposed to
do other things were even legal C constructs in that you could not tell how
the compiler would handle the ambiguous statements.
I've been laying back waiting for some of the smoke and dust to
settle Now my real question is should I get to work or should I go away. The
detailed issues are more complicated than either of Corine her any of you
really know. I had programmers leave because they found the complexity of
the whole darn thing to intimidating.
As a tiny example, if a data entry error is made in the locus data, that
can create a significant problem causing the synthesizer to squeal forever
and yet be incredibly difficult to find.
His forests beat goes it's really just a program to shovel stuff to
DECtalk so it can be posted anywhere it was an example of how to talk to
DECtalk. Like everything else the value is not in speak but is in the
knowledge of how to program it for singing. And it's only useful if you happen to
have a DECtalk already is the DECtalk DLL cannot be distributed freely and
speak doesn't talk sappy it only talks to eight DECtalk. It uses the
DECtalk application interface, sapi is simply a mapping of a universally defined
set of commands for Windows into device specific commands. So if people
want I can send out some samples of something I've worked on following normal
procedures we only work on one voice until we were ready to release because
of the tuning issues.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:33 PM, <_Dectalk at aol.com_
(mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) > wrote:
Ok, and I just got an email from Corine who still doesn't get it. She's
saying that if anyone wants to sing using Dectalk, she's sending everyone to
me for a free speak window.
Uh, there's already an updated version of Windows 7 that the speak window
won't run on. What happens when a future Windows doesn't include virtual
XP? What if everything switches to a droid platform? I already can't get
speak running on certain computers.
Who do I call when I can't get the speak window working for people? This
is not fare to me.
SNOOPI BOTTEN
In a message dated 6/28/2011 1:18:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_ratguy at insightbb.com_ (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) writes:
Hi,
I actually wasn't responding to that last message, but that's the one I
hit
reply to. I was actually responding to your thought yesterday that you
might
have been removed from the list for your earlier comments. That's not
going
to happen.
Jayson
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From: <_Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) >
To: <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] TEST
> You miss understood me. I'm not concerned about being removed from the
> list. Corine in no way wants anyone to see the prototype. So I was
> saying,
> the link to the prototype will only work until Corine tells Dave to
take
> it
> down. Or, the site my crash.
>
>
> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>
>
> In a message dated 6/28/2011 11:10:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> _ratguy at insightbb.com_ (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) writes:
>
> Hi,
>
> Let me just repeat something after all this discussion. Snoopi, you are
> not
> being removed from this list. I am the only person on Earth with the
> authority to remove people from this list or do any other
administrative
> job. And as far as I'm concerned, this whole discussion is valuable.
> Nobody
> will be removed from this list for anything they said or may say on this
> topic.
>
> I want to state something else too. As I see it, there are several
> schools
> of DECtalk users and fans. There are some who like the DECtalk speech
and
> probably would use it with their screen reader if they could, or maybe
> use
> it along with a text to MP3 program such as Text Aloud, but don't have
> any
> other more elaborate use for it. Then there are those who think it's
cool
> that DECtalk can sing and do all this neat stuff and enjoy listening to
> others' creations, but don't have a clue how to actually make DECtalk do
> any
> of those things. Then there are probably several classes of more
advanced
> DECtalk users who, at the high end, could probably transcribe arbitrary
> text
> into phonemes in their sleep. These are the people making the elaborate
> DECtalk songs and skits. And finally, there are the users with
> disabilities
> requiring them to use DECtalk to speak and/or sing. These users almost
> certainly fit into all the previous classes of users I've discussed. I
> fit
> somewhere in the third class of users, the more advanced DECtalkists. So
> as
> you can see, this SAPI is obviously targeted toward the more basic user,
> who
> just wants to use it with their screen reader or other SAPI-enabled
> applications, nothing more.
>
> Regarding the Speak windows, yes it's true that new hardware and new
> operating systems might come along under which the Speak windows won't
> run.
> However, all is not truly lost even then. As long as, say, a virtual
> machine
> running XP can run under whatever native hardware/OS is being used,
Speak
> can then be run under that. Not the most ideal solution I do admit, but
> still, it's better than nothing.
>
> I personally would like to see the SAPI provide all DECtalk's features,
> but
> it's clear to me that, for whatever reason, that's not going to happen.
> Jayson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <_Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) >
> To: <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] TEST
>
>
>> __http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/__
(http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/_)
>> (_http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/_
(http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/) )
>>
>> Ok, we have an unstable prototype that keeps crashing. I'm forcing
> Dave
>> to keep it up until Corine tells him to remove it. It talks, but I
>> haven't
>> been able to get it to say anything this morning.
>>
>> Basically the plan is to reset it to Klattalk settings but call it
>> Dectalk
>> Classic. And, it won't sing.
>>
>>
>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/28/2011 8:42:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> _bmisch2002 at gmail.com_ (mailto:bmisch2002 at gmail.com) writes:
>>
>> so how is that version coming along and are the other languages going
> to
>> be included or just us english?
>>
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:33 PM, FRIDO ORDEMANN wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> There are other users of DECtalk than those who use it for singing.
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________
>> From: "_Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:_Dectalk at aol.com_
(mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) ) " <_Dectalk at aol.com_
>> (mailto:_Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) ) >
>> To: _dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
(mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) )
>> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 2:10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] TEST
>>
>> Actually I was scared I was removed for exploding on the list last
> night.
>> I also find it odd that Corine never apologized for her misleading
>> post.
>> I'm still in total shock at how her post was worded. And to post that
> on
>> the list when we all have a speak window or other form of Dectalk.
> Heck,
>> if
>> I did have a singing SAPI, why would anyone buy her non-singing
> version?
>>
>> That post just totally made no sense to me. I still feel bad about my
>> response, but I was and still am angry.
>>
>>
>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/27/2011 1:22:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> _linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com_ (mailto:_linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com_
(mailto:linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com) ) writes:
>>
>> Your message came through. It's all good.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 6/27/2011 12:58 PM, _Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:_Dectalk at aol.com_
(mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) )
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>> My mail got too full, so I'm just making sure everything is ok.
>>
>>
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