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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>Thank you Ed. Just so you know, Corine was the
one that told me they were using Klattalk default settings. Then she
wanted to name it "Dectalk Classic".</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>Here is my own opinion. If this SAPI sings and
only if it sings, then put it out. Maybe I'm out of line, but I have
worked with Dectalk since 1989, I was instrumental in Corine even trying to
create a SAPI, and if I am going to be a part of doing the dictionary, I want it
to sing!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>Yes I sing with it, but I'm not the only one.
And if it doesn't sing, please don't ask me to do the dictionary. How can
you cut off a part of who I am and then want my help? I can't, and it's
not right for anyone to expect me to.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>If the SAPI won't sing, please put it to rest.
Too many people have gotten awards for what they have done with Dectalk. I
alone have gotten the Da Vinci Award. This is all thanks to Dennis
Klatt. If there is ever a museum of Dennis's work, I dream of having my
CDs in that museum because people like me are an end result of his fine
dream.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>Kill the singing, you kill the legacy, not only for
today, but for all futures generations. And, I won't be able to do more
CDs. Yes, today I have the speak Window, but what about tomorrow. If
vu take away my music, you are telling me and others like me to go
away.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>I'm sorry, but as cold as this sounds, if this SAPI
won't sing, please go away. I believe in my heart that Dennis would want
this to sing. I sing with it every day of my life, I give concerts, I am
his dream. I went past anything he ever dreamed of and I have raised
the bar. Take away the singing, and you take away the bar and the
dreams for the next generation. Nothing on Earth is colder than
that.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>SNOOPI BOTTEN </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 6/28/2011 2:37:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
edbruckert@gmail.com writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>
<DIV>OK guys enough. I am a little tired of the misinformation and confusion
and blaming going on. What careens money has done really is get this SAPI
portion working. I'm trying to get some old DLLs working. I do not get any
monetary compensation so I can't have any evil intent as you purport to other
people. You mentioned putting it old klatttalk setttings, which by the way
there aren't any. The synthesizer Digital Equipment Corporation received from
Dennis was incomplete. It had only the pH files for handling phonemic input
and the vocal tract model, it did not even have letter to sound rules which
were functional. As a point of interest historically 4.3 was one of the
favorite versions and it was done by me as Dennis was dead. Singing – the code
for singing is the same as it was when Dennis finished it with one exception.
The original version used a physics music scale which turns out to be slightly
different than the musicians music scale. Other than that the singing code has
never changed, except for enhanced version of singing which was done on a
special Hebrew cantering product. There is a danger clearly expressed in the
manual that if you muck around with parameters especially gain parameters
things can get strange and these are version specific because to achieve
maximum quality a long program was run to calculate each filter gain in the
vocal track for every single voice. The incompatibility results from a
mathematical issue not anything else. Due to platform restrictions we weren't
able to go to a floating point calculation which would've solved all these
problems.</DIV>
<DIV>I am slow because I'm almost blind myself but I said a long time ago that
it was my goal to make sure you hit a DECtalk it was reasonable not identical.
I say this because I sat there with 4.3 code in front of me comparing it to
the code I was working on including pitch tracks and other measurements and
just plain looking at the code and although they were very very close people
preferred what they've gotten used to. Many of the changes that occurred were
a result of Microsoft constantly changing things it was impossible for many
different reasons for the original code to be compiled and there are also
reasons why it was very difficult to determine what the code actually did and
what it was supposed to do. There were many instances where the code obviously
didn't do what Dennis's comments said it was supposed to do other things were
even legal C constructs in that you could not tell how the compiler would
handle the ambiguous statements.</DIV>
<DIV> I've been laying back
waiting for some of the smoke and dust to settle Now my real question is
should I get to work or should I go away. The detailed issues are more
complicated than either of Corine her any of you really know. I had
programmers leave because they found the complexity of the whole darn thing to
intimidating.</DIV>
<DIV>As a tiny example, if a data entry error is made in the locus data, that
can create a significant problem causing the synthesizer to squeal forever and
yet be incredibly difficult to find. </DIV>
<DIV> His forests beat goes it's really just a
program to shovel stuff to DECtalk so it can be posted anywhere it was an
example of how to talk to DECtalk. Like everything else the value is not in
speak but is in the knowledge of how to program it for singing. And it's only
useful if you happen to have a DECtalk already is the DECtalk DLL cannot be
distributed freely and speak doesn't talk sappy it only talks to eight
DECtalk. It uses the DECtalk application interface, sapi is simply a mapping
of a universally defined set of commands for Windows into device specific
commands. So if people want I can send out some samples of something I've
worked on following normal procedures we only work on one voice until we were
ready to release because of the tuning issues.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:33 PM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A title=mailto:Dectalk@aol.com href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com">Dectalk@aol.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>Ok, and I just got an email from Corine who still
doesn't get it. She's saying that if anyone wants to sing using
Dectalk, she's sending everyone to me for a free speak
window.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>Uh, there's already an updated version of Windows
7 that the speak window won't run on. What happens when a future
Windows doesn't include virtual XP? What if everything switches to a
droid platform? I already can't get speak running on certain
computers.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>Who do I call when I can't get the speak window
working for people? This is not fare to me.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>SNOOPI BOTTEN </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 6/28/2011 1:18:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <A title=mailto:ratguy@insightbb.com href="mailto:ratguy@insightbb.com" target=_blank>ratguy@insightbb.com</A> writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>Hi,<BR><BR>I actually wasn't responding to that last message,
but that's the one I hit <BR>reply to. I was actually responding to your
thought yesterday that you might <BR>have been removed from the list for
your earlier comments. That's not going <BR>to
happen.<BR>Jayson<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: <<A title=mailto:Dectalk@aol.com href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target=_blank>Dectalk@aol.com</A>><BR>To: <<A title=mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com href="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" target=_blank>dectalk@bluegrasspals.com</A>><BR>Sent: Tuesday, June 28,
2011 12:58 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] TEST<BR><BR><BR>> You miss
understood me. I'm not concerned about being removed from
the<BR>> list. Corine in no way wants anyone to see the
prototype. So I was <BR>> saying,<BR>> the link to the
prototype will only work until Corine tells Dave to take <BR>>
it<BR>> down. Or, the site my
crash.<BR>><BR>><BR>> SNOOPI BOTTEN<BR>><BR>><BR>> In a
message dated 6/28/2011 11:10:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,<BR>> <A title=mailto:ratguy@insightbb.com href="mailto:ratguy@insightbb.com" target=_blank>ratguy@insightbb.com</A> writes:<BR>><BR>>
Hi,<BR>><BR>> Let me just repeat something after all this
discussion. Snoopi, you are<BR>> not<BR>> being removed from
this list. I am the only person on Earth with the<BR>> authority
to remove people from this list or do any other
administrative<BR>> job. And as far as I'm concerned, this whole
discussion is valuable.<BR>> Nobody<BR>> will be removed from
this list for anything they said or may say on this<BR>>
topic.<BR>><BR>> I want to state something else too. As I see
it, there are several <BR>> schools<BR>> of DECtalk users and fans.
There are some who like the DECtalk speech and<BR>> probably
would use it with their screen reader if they could, or maybe
<BR>> use<BR>> it along with a text to MP3 program such as
Text Aloud, but don't have <BR>> any<BR>> other more elaborate use
for it. Then there are those who think it's cool<BR>> that
DECtalk can sing and do all this neat stuff and enjoy listening
to<BR>> others' creations, but don't have a clue how to actually
make DECtalk do<BR>> any<BR>> of those things. Then there are
probably several classes of more advanced<BR>> DECtalk users who, at
the high end, could probably transcribe arbitrary<BR>>
text<BR>> into phonemes in their sleep. These are the people
making the elaborate<BR>> DECtalk songs and skits. And finally,
there are the users with<BR>> disabilities<BR>> requiring them to
use DECtalk to speak and/or sing. These users almost<BR>>
certainly fit into all the previous classes of users I've discussed.
I <BR>> fit<BR>> somewhere in the third class of users, the
more advanced DECtalkists. So<BR>> as<BR>> you can see, this
SAPI is obviously targeted toward the more basic user,<BR>> who<BR>>
just wants to use it with their screen reader or other
SAPI-enabled<BR>> applications, nothing more.<BR>><BR>>
Regarding the Speak windows, yes it's true that new hardware and
new<BR>> operating systems might come along under which the Speak
windows won't<BR>> run.<BR>> However, all is not truly lost even
then. As long as, say, a virtual<BR>> machine<BR>> running XP
can run under whatever native hardware/OS is being used,
Speak<BR>> can then be run under that. Not the most ideal
solution I do admit, but<BR>> still, it's better than
nothing.<BR>><BR>> I personally would like to see the SAPI
provide all DECtalk's features,<BR>> but<BR>> it's clear to me that,
for whatever reason, that's not going to happen.<BR>>
Jayson<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From:
<<A title=mailto:Dectalk@aol.com href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target=_blank>Dectalk@aol.com</A>><BR>> To: <<A title=mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com href="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" target=_blank>dectalk@bluegrasspals.com</A>><BR>> Sent:
Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:21 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk]
TEST<BR>><BR>><BR>>> _<A title=http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/_ href="http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/_" target=_blank>http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/_</A><BR>>>
(<A title=http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/ href="http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/" target=_blank>http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/</A>)<BR>>><BR>>>
Ok, we have an unstable prototype that keeps crashing.
I'm forcing<BR>> Dave<BR>>> to keep it up until Corine tells him
to remove it. It talks, but I<BR>>>
haven't<BR>>> been able to get it to say anything this
morning.<BR>>><BR>>> Basically the plan is to reset it
to Klattalk settings but call it<BR>>>
Dectalk<BR>>> Classic. And, it won't
sing.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> SNOOPI
BOTTEN<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> In a message dated 6/28/2011
8:42:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,<BR>>> <A title=mailto:bmisch2002@gmail.com href="mailto:bmisch2002@gmail.com" target=_blank>bmisch2002@gmail.com</A> writes:<BR>>><BR>>>
so how is that version coming along and are the other
languages going<BR>> to<BR>>> be included or just us
english?<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On Jun 27, 2011, at
6:33 PM, FRIDO ORDEMANN
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> There
are other users of DECtalk than those who use it for
singing.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
____________________________________<BR>>> From:
"_Dectalk@aol.com_ (mailto:<A title=mailto:Dectalk@aol.com href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target=_blank>Dectalk@aol.com</A>) "
<_Dectalk@aol.com_<BR>>> (mailto:<A title=mailto:Dectalk@aol.com href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target=_blank>Dectalk@aol.com</A>) ><BR>>> To:
_dectalk@bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:<A title=mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com href="mailto:dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" target=_blank>dectalk@bluegrasspals.com</A>)<BR>>> Sent: Mon, June
27, 2011 2:10:43 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk]
TEST<BR>>><BR>>> Actually I was scared I was
removed for exploding on the list last<BR>> night.<BR>>> I also
find it odd that Corine never apologized for her misleading
<BR>>> post.<BR>>> I'm still in total shock at how her
post was worded. And to post that<BR>> on<BR>>> the
list when we all have a speak window or other form of
Dectalk.<BR>> Heck,<BR>>> if<BR>>> I did have a
singing SAPI, why would anyone buy her non-singing<BR>>
version?<BR>>><BR>>> That post just totally made no
sense to me. I still feel bad about my<BR>>> response,
but I was and still am
angry.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> SNOOPI
BOTTEN<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> In a message dated 6/27/2011
1:22:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,<BR>>>
_linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com_ (mailto:<A title=mailto:linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com href="mailto:linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com" target=_blank>linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com</A>)
writes:<BR>>><BR>>> Your message came through.
It's all good.<BR>>><BR>>> Alex<BR>>><BR>>> On
6/27/2011 12:58 PM, _Dectalk@aol.com_ (mailto:<A title=mailto:Dectalk@aol.com href="mailto:Dectalk@aol.com" target=_blank>Dectalk@aol.com</A>)<BR>> wrote:<BR>>> My mail got
too full, so I'm just making sure everything is
ok.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> SNOOPI
BOTTEN<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
_______________________________________________<BR>>><BR>>>
DECtalk mailing list<BR>>><BR>>>
_DECtalk@bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:<A title=mailto:DECtalk@bluegrasspals.com href="mailto:DECtalk@bluegrasspals.com" target=_blank>DECtalk@bluegrasspals.com</A>)<BR>>><BR>>>
_<A title=http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_ href="http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_" target=_blank>http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_</A><BR>>>
(<A title=http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk href="http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk" target=_blank>http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk</A>)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
-- <BR>>> Sent via
Thunderbird.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
_______________________________________________<BR>>> DECtalk
mailing list<BR>>> _DECtalk@bluegrasspals.com_
(mailto:<A title=mailto:DECtalk@bluegrasspals.com href="mailto:DECtalk@bluegrasspals.com" target=_blank>DECtalk@bluegrasspals.com</A>)<BR>>> _<A title=http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_ href="http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_" target=_blank>http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_</A><BR>>>
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_______________________________________________<BR>>> DECtalk
mailing list<BR>>> _DECtalk@bluegrasspals.com_
(mailto:<A title=mailto:DECtalk@bluegrasspals.com href="mailto:DECtalk@bluegrasspals.com" target=_blank>DECtalk@bluegrasspals.com</A>)<BR>>> _<A title=http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_ href="http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_" target=_blank>http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_</A><BR>>>
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