[Blindapple] Anyone still here? And a few software requests

Jayson Smith ratguy at insightbb.com
Thu Jan 21 00:43:45 EST 2010 

Oh, silly me! I knew I was forgetting something! I wrote that entire 
document about how to bootstrap ADT and use it, then failed to provide a 
link to my zip file. Here it is!
http://www.bluegrasspals.com/adt.zip
Sorry about that! As I said earlier, this is not the full ADT distribution, 
but just what you need to get going.
Jayson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at insightbb.com>
To: "Blind Apple Discussions" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindapple] Anyone still here? And a few software requests


> Hi,
>
>     Okay, here it is! I hope this works! If it doesn't, please let me know
> what's going wrong and I'll try to fix it.
>
>     This is Apple Disk Transfer, ADT for short. ADT is a program to
> transfer disk images between your Apple and your PC. It consists of a
> Windows application and an Apple program. The two programs communicate
> together to exchange disk images. Note, this is not the full ADT
> distribution. The full ADT distribution can be found at the website here.
> http://adt.berlios.de
> This distribution contains just the minimum needed to get you going. It
> contains four files, as follows.
> adt.exe is the Windows application. Put this in any directory. If you run 
> it
> from that directory, or from the Start, Run... dialog, that directory is
> where all disk images will be stored, and also where all disk images to be
> sent to the Apple must reside. If you put adt.exe in a directory on your
> path and run it from a command shell, whatever your current directory is 
> at
> the time will be the directory for disk images.
> adt.dmp is the monitor binary dump of the Apple program. You'll upload 
> this
> to the Apple, and I'll describe how to do this later.
> adt133.dsk is a disk image of ADT. I included it here so you'd have a disk
> image with which to practice.
> manual.txt is the ADT manual.
>
> Now, to transfer the Apple program to your GS. Be booted up in DOS 3.3. 
> Have
> your serial cable hooked up to the modem port on the GS, which is slot 2.
> Insure the GS control panel is configured for slot 2 being modem port. If
> Textalker is running, turn it off by typing Ctrl-E O return. You should 
> not
> hear another Ready prompt. This is because Textalker would almost 
> certainly
> interfere with the transfer on the Apple end.
> Put a formatted disk in drive one, with at least sixteen sectors free. 
> This
> is where the ADT binary will be saved.
> Type IN#2 and press return.
> Set the serial speed to 300 baud. Yes this is slow, but the manual
> recommends this speed for the initial transfer. Once the program is 
> running,
> disk transfers will occur at 19200 baud. This 300 baud is just for the
> initial ADT bootstrapping process. To do this, on your Apple, type Ctrl-A 
> 6
> B return, without the spaces.
> Now go into your PC communication program. Set it for 300 baud, and upload
> adt.dmp as ASCII. This will take several minutes, since it's going at 300
> baud. The last thing this file does is to save a copy of ADT to the disk, 
> so
> when the file is complete, you should hear the disk run for a few seconds.
> If all goes according to plan, exit your comm program on the PC, and start
> adt.exe. Select the com port and speed, use 19200. Hit connect.
> Type BRUNADT return to start the Apple ADT program. Even if you turned
> Textalker back on, this program probably won't talk.
>>From this point on, all control of ADT is done from the Apple side. To 
>>send
> a disk image, press s, type in the filename to store on the PC, and hit
> return. ADT will supposedly not allow you to overwrite an existing file on
> the PC. Filenames traditionally end with .dsk. To receive a disk image, 
> hit
> r, type in the filename, and hit return. The program will not allow you to
> receive a file which doesn't exist. The disk in slot 6, drive 1 will be 
> used
> for all operations. For receives, the disk must be initialized, and all
> contents will be totally overwritten, so be sure you have the right disk 
> in
> the drive! ADT gives you no warnings about this, it assumes you know what
> you're doing.
> To quit ADT, hit q. After any transfer is complete, or an error occurred, 
> an
> Appleworks-inspired beep will play on your Apple. To abort a transfer, at
> either end, hit Escape. I'd suggest practicing by sending the disk image 
> of
> your ADT disk to the PC first. Then, maybe receive the adt133.dsk image to
> another disk. Keep a copy of the ADT binary file in a safe place, since if
> you ever lose it, you'll need to do the bootstrapping all over again.
> I hope this helps! If you have any questions or problems, please write 
> back!
> Jayson
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Louis Bryant" <louis at braillesoft.net>
> To: "Blind Apple Discussions" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] Anyone still here? And a few software requests
>
>
>> Hi. Yep, it is a Windows PC. Thanks, and the modem port or even printer
>> port
>> is fine. Thanks.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>> To: "Blind Apple Discussions" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 2:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] Anyone still here? And a few software requests
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>     Pending another response or two from the Usenet, I should hopefully
>>> have a better solution which will also allow you to receive disk images
>>> on
>>> your Apple. But I'm making one very big assumption here. Are you using a
>>> Windows PC? If not, this might complicate things, as I've never used ADT
>>> on
>>> a Mac.
>>>     Which GS port are you connecting to the PC? In other words, what 
>>> slot
>>> do you use to output text or data from the GS? The reason I ask is, this
>>> new
>>> version of ADT will by default use the modem port in slot 2. 
>>> Furthermore,
>>> as
>>> far as I know, this program won't talk, so configuring it for something
>>> different might be a bit of a problem.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Jayson
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Louis Bryant" <louis at braillesoft.net>
>>> To: "Blind Apple Discussions" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] Anyone still here? And a few software requests
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi. How cool, I'll do it in my sparetime. Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>> To: "Blind Apple Discussions" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:33 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] Anyone still here? And a few software 
>>>> requests
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Okay, here you go. Before starting, insure the Apple and PC can
>>>>> successfully
>>>>> communicate over the serial port, but that goes without saying!
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Start with a scratch disk formatted as DOS 3.3, and have DOS 3.3
>>>>> booted.
>>>>> 2. Send this program to the Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Start of program
>>>>>
>>>>> 430 START = 8192:BUF = 9000: FOR A = START TO START + 28
>>>>> 440  READ V: POKE A,V: NEXT
>>>>> 450  DATA
>>>>> 169,32,160,8,32,217,3,96,1,96,1,0,17,15,25,32,40,35,0,0,1,0,0,96,1,0,1,239,216
>>>>> 460 R = 1:W = 2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- End of program
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Run this program. There should be no output.
>>>>> 4. Type this command.
>>>>> bsave disk access,a8192,l29
>>>>> 5. Now send this program to the Apple. If your serial connection is 
>>>>> not
>>>>> in
>>>>> slot 1, replace PR#1 with PR#X where X is the proper slot number.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Start of program
>>>>>
>>>>> 0  PRINT  CHR$ (4),"BLOAD DISK ACCESS"
>>>>> 1  GET A$
>>>>> 2 A$ = ""
>>>>> 3 CR$ =  CHR$ (13)
>>>>> 4  PR# 1
>>>>> 10  FOR T = 0 TO 34
>>>>> 20  FOR S = 0 TO 15
>>>>> 30  POKE 8204,T: POKE 8205,S
>>>>> 40  CALL 8192
>>>>> 50  FOR N = 9000 TO 9255
>>>>> 60  PRINT  PEEK (N);: PRINT CR$;
>>>>> 70  NEXT N: NEXT S: NEXT T
>>>>> 80  GET A$
>>>>> 90  PR# 0
>>>>>
>>>>> --- End of program
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Save this program. Type
>>>>> save send disk
>>>>> 7. Although I seriously doubt this program will damage anything, until
>>>>> you
>>>>> know it's working properly, I would suggest trying it on disks that
>>>>> either
>>>>> you don't care about, or you have multiple copies, or can quickly make
>>>>> a
>>>>> throwaway copy in case something goes wrong. I think this is an
>>>>> unnecessary
>>>>> precaution, but better to waste a few minutes making copies than risk
>>>>> losing
>>>>> irreplaceable software!
>>>>> 8. When you run this program, nothing is printed. When disk activity
>>>>> stops,
>>>>> remove your disk and insert the disk to be imaged. At this point, 
>>>>> start
>>>>> a
>>>>> capture buffer session or ASCII receive on your PC. When that's set 
>>>>> up,
>>>>> and
>>>>> the disk is inserted, press any key to begin the transfer. It will 
>>>>> take
>>>>> a
>>>>> few minutes, as the data is transferred sector by sector. Should you
>>>>> hear
>>>>> the dreaded buzzzzzzzz! of a disk head recalibration, DOS had trouble
>>>>> reading that sector, so its contents are probably not valid. Hopefully
>>>>> you
>>>>> won't get much of that!
>>>>> 9. To know when the program is done, just listen to the disk drive. If
>>>>> a
>>>>> long time goes by without the motor coming on, chances are it's done.
>>>>> Also,
>>>>> if you have Textalker loaded, it will probably say "Ready" when it's
>>>>> done.
>>>>> A
>>>>> twiddle dump works wonders here!
>>>>> 10. Stop your capture or ASCII receive. What you will have is a file
>>>>> containing lots of numbers. Send this file to me privately. For best
>>>>> results, I'd recommend sending the files as attachments, and if you
>>>>> want
>>>>> to
>>>>> save bandwidth, zip them. Since it's all numbers, they should zip up
>>>>> quite
>>>>> nicely. My address, scrambled for spam prevention, is.
>>>>> rat guy at insightbb dot com.
>>>>> 11. I will take your file and turn it into a disk image, hopefully!
>>>>> Until
>>>>> we
>>>>> can see if this is going to work, please don't go all out and crazy,
>>>>> imaging
>>>>> every disk you have. Just image one or two, to make sure this is
>>>>> working.
>>>>> It's been years since I used these programs, and I wrote them for my
>>>>> own
>>>>> use, never figuring on anyone else using them.
>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Louis Bryant" <louis at braillesoft.net>
>>>>> To: "Blind Apple Discussions" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] Anyone still here? And a few software
>>>>> requests
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi. I'd love to! This seems really cool! Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>> To: "Blind Apple Discussions" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:06 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] Anyone still here? And a few software
>>>>>> requests
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I just posted to the Usenet newsgroup comp.sys.apple2. I'm going
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have to find out if there's a version of Apple Disk Transfer that
>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the GS ports and can send disk images. I know I had a version for 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> GS
>>>>>>> ports, but it could only receive images, not send them. In the
>>>>>>> meantime,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> do have a very crude way you could get images to me if you wanted. 
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> involve you sending a few Basic programs to your Apple to save on a
>>>>>>> disk,
>>>>>>> then using them to send disk images to the PC, which would then have
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> sent to me to create .dsk files. It would only let you send images,
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> receive them. If you're interested in pursuing this avenue until we
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> something better going, please let me know.
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Louis Bryant" <louis at braillesoft.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Blind Apple Discussions" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:54 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] Anyone still here? And a few software
>>>>>>> requests
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi. I only have the internal ports to my knowledge. I don't know
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> the GS hardware. I do have an Apple IIgs to PC serial port also and
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> send
>>>>>>>> ASCII text back-and-forth, but I haven't tried any others. Any help
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> give will be quite awesome, as I want more stuff for this thing 
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> online.
>>>>>>>> People still build software and downloadable disk images for it and
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> to experiment and see what they've got on a2central.com. HTH.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Apple Discussions" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:48 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] Anyone still here? And a few software
>>>>>>>> requests
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     I know you have a GS, since we've talked before. But, do you
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> Super Serial card or just the internal GS ports? I can probably
>>>>>>>>> figure
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> some way for you to get me a disk image. Do you have, or can you
>>>>>>>>> get,
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> GS hooked up to a PC via serial port?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks. I'd love to get this disk!
>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Louis Bryant" <louis at braillesoft.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Blind Apple Discussions" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:29 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] Anyone still here? And a few software
>>>>>>>>> requests
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi. I do have Talking writer with Talking Writer, Dragon Maze,
>>>>>>>>>> Space
>>>>>>>>>> Invaders, Music Game, Voice Control, ETC. I can mail you a copy,
>>>>>>>>>> unless
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> have the time to show me what exactly I need to do to make disk
>>>>>>>>>> images.
>>>>>>>>>> HTH.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jayson Smith" <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Apple Discussions" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:26 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Blindapple] Anyone still here? And a few software
>>>>>>>>>> requests
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I know this is a silly question for the moderator of a list to
>>>>>>>>>>>ask,
>>>>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone actually still here who's interested in Apple II stuff?
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>> for a few software titles, and wondering if anyone has them.
>>>>>>>>>>> First
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> talking disk that says "Talking Disk" and has Talking Writer,
>>>>>>>>>>> Typing
>>>>>>>>>>> Game,
>>>>>>>>>>> Dragon Maze, Space Invaders, Music Game, and Voice Control. I
>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> copy, but not any more. Also, does anyone have Type Talk by 
>>>>>>>>>>> Lorin
>>>>>>>>>>> Software?
>>>>>>>>>>> I have a copy, but it has a bad sector. This program is copy
>>>>>>>>>>> protected,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> there's a way to get around that for copying and/or imaging
>>>>>>>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>>>>>>> Are
>>>>>>>>>>> there any collections you know of, where I can find disk images
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>>>>> software, other than what I've published?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>
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