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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Its working great here with jaws2023. Thanks for all the work you put into this, you did a great job!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Dectalk <dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Aksel Leo Christoffersen<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 22, 2022 1:09<br><b>To:</b> 'DECtalk' <dectalk@bluegrasspals.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DECtalk] decTalk express emulator<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>William:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I can not claim that I have a great understanding of programming, but I can imagine that sutch compiler, and all the work done with the project so fare, has not been done within a few hours. Personally, I hily apreciate all the effort you and others have put into it. You have given us something, that no one, as fare as I know, has been able to accomplish in many years, a working modern build of DECtalk, which even also is compiled for SAPI5, something which I’ve seen many people ask for.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I can only say that I hope you’ll keep the work up, even though it seems like no one apreciate it. I am sure people do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>As for my comment about the DECtalk Express emulator not working on Windows 7. I am very sorry if that’s what tipped the scale, but I would like to comment, that it was not meant as a complaint at all. I meant it as a warning for potential Windows 7 users, so noone got their hopes up for something that might not work on their system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>As for Mattias’ comment about DECtalk hardware and NVDA, I’m using the old NVDA 2018.2.1 with Python2, with the DECtalk Express add-on, and it also works with the actual DECtalk Express hardware.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Kind regards:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Aksel Christoffersen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Fra:</span></b><span lang=DA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Dectalk [<a href="mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com">mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com</a>] <b>På vegne af </b>William Prestwich<br><b>Sendt:</b> 21. november 2022 22:28<br><b>Til:</b> DECtalk<br><b>Emne:</b> Re: [DECtalk] decTalk express emulator<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>All, I have bit my tongue as best I can for quite some time now, but I feel I need to say a thing or two about some of the things going on in this mailing list regarding the source code of dectalk.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>Please understand that the source code to dectalk was <b>leaked</b> many years ago and remained dormant with many failed attempts to have it working on modern systems (myself included.) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>It is with many thanks to an individual who has asked to remain anonymous with a LOT of expertise in the C programming language and troubleshooting the compiler that we managed to get this to work at all (that we are aware of - perhaps someone did it beforehand but kept it to themselves). This code had a team of people working on it, and this individual spent a weekend getting it compiled.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>Since then many, MANY hours have gone into the project to get it sounding as close as possible to how most of us prefer it to sound. Others have got involved since but it was not without the initial 'getting it working' that we could be where we are at this point. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>The code is NOT open source software, and probably never will be</span></b><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>. So while nobody would be stopping you from adapting this code for other projects (that are NOT for profit) to go chasing original devs, previous owners, CEOs of now defunct companies etc. about the rights to the code and using this project to further your point is not only selfish and uncalled for,<b> but it's also potentially what may undo all the work effort put in to this project so far</b> - that is work that you did not personally invest in (hence why its quite self-centered.) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>Please, my advice going forward is <b>not</b> to chase up any previous owner of this product to attempt to wrest control over the source code. It's very likely to get you nowhere - but the worst of it is you may also cause the project to be removed and undo the hard work others have put in to get this software working for people like you in the first place.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>If you are capable and have the time to get involved in the project then do so. You know the url to the github project and there is information about how to get involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>If you are not capable of assisting with the project, use the pull request feature in github with your wishes and hopes. When/if time and possibility permits, your request may be fulfilled. There is no guarantee - and if it's not obvious already, nobody who is working on this project actually owes you anything.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>Please note that I am not going to entertain a war and peace thread after this email like what we have seen between people over the last few weeks. I'm not here to argue hypotheticals - I'm more interested in getting work done. I don't own this mailing list so you may shoot the breeze all you like, but the efforts put into the github project seems to be highly underappreciated by some of you on here and it's not fair for those that actually did the work - so please stop trying to use the hard work of others for your personal gain.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>Wil<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA style='font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA>On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 10:13 PM Aksel Leo Christoffersen <<a href="mailto:aksel@blindsigtmail.dk">aksel@blindsigtmail.dk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=DA>Which is the version I'm using. It seems to work fine when you just send<br>text to the emulator, and not actually use it with a screen reader. It also<br>works fine with the Virtual Braille 'n speak in a Windows 3.1 VM. I have<br>tested it on several Windows 7 machines with the same result.<br><br>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----<br>Fra: Dectalk [mailto:<a href="mailto:dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank">dectalk-bounces@bluegrasspals.com</a>] På vegne af Brandon<br>Misch<br>Sendt: 21. november 2022 22:08<br>Til: DECtalk<br>Emne: Re: [DECtalk] decTalk express emulator<br><br>there is a version of com0com wich is designed for windows 7 and<br>should work nicely with this. I'm using it on windows 10 and should<br>also work with windows 11.<br><br>On 11/21/22, Aksel Leo Christoffersen <<a href="mailto:aksel@blindsigtmail.dk" target="_blank">aksel@blindsigtmail.dk</a>> wrote:<br>> Hi,<br>><br>><br>><br>> Agreed that the emulator is some excelent work. However, it doesn't appear<br>> to work on Windows 7. It crashes whenever I try to use it with either JAWS<br>> or NVDA. However, it works excelent on Windows 10.<br>><br>> It appears to use the latest build of DECtalk 4.99, just like the SAPI5<br>> version.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Kind regards:<br>><br>> Aksel Christoffersen<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>_______________________________________________<br>Dectalk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank">Dectalk@bluegrasspals.com</a><br><a href="https://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk" target="_blank">https://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk</a><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Dectalk mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dectalk@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank">Dectalk@bluegrasspals.com</a><br><a href="https://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk" target="_blank">https://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>