[DECtalk] voice creation

Josh Kennedy joshknnd1982 at gmail.com
Thu Sep 7 22:06:03 EDT 2017


I wish humanware had kept developing keynote. I wonder whatever happened 
to its developers?



On 9/7/2017 9:51 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:
>
> I see. In the 1990's, HumanWare distributed Keysoft in a notebook 
> running Dos 4.0 or 5.0. I remember the device had 1 or 2 megabytes 
> available for storage of files. I thought that was sort of small even 
> for the Dos era. The notetaker was called Keynote Companion. I 
> remember using that with Keysoft 1.03 and 2.12. At the time Keynote 
> was a card-based synth. I loved the remote synthesizer feature of 
> Keysoft because I could use Keynote with Dos screen readers. Since I 
> don't have a Braille Note I did not know that the current version of 
> Keysoft uses a software implementation of Keynote.
>
> Blake
>
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> *From:*Mohamed Al-Hajamy [mailto:malhajamy at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 07, 2017 9:26 PM
> *To:* Blake Roberts
> *Subject:* Re: [DECtalk] voice creation
>
> No, the Keynote implementation on BrailleNotes is a software 
> implementation. It is hosted in a DLL.
>
> On 9/7/2017 6:35 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:
>
>> Josh, Your experience with Jake's Circum Reality Keynote voice 
>> explains why it made my screen reader crash a few minutes after I 
>> started using it months ago. Ulysses, The Keynote voice referred to 
>> is Jake's Circum Reality version of the Keynote Gold synthesizer. I 
>> believe Jake used his Braille Note notetaker which contains the 
>> Keynote voice and recorded thousands of words with it via Circum 
>> Reality software. I think the Keynote voice used in the recording is 
>> a card or chip within the Braille Note.
>>
>> Luis, I know that Cereproc offers a voice creation service for a fee. 
>> I contacted Cereproc a year or two ago asking about accessibility of 
>> the process. Specifically I wanted to know if creation of a Cereproc 
>> voice requires Flash. The answer was yes for setup of the headset 
>> which they ship after voice creator purchases the service. The rest 
>> of the process is apparently in HTML5. That's what I was told then. I 
>> chose not to purchase CereVoice service at that time because Flash 
>> requirement would prevent me from independently completing the 
>> process.  I don't know if Flash is still utilized in Cereproc's voice 
>> creation service (CereVoice). I have no idea about the voice creation 
>> process for making an Acapela or Cepstral voice.
>>
>> Blake
>>
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>>
>> *From:*Josh Kennedy [mailto:joshknnd1982 at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 07, 2017 5:43 PM
>> *To:* DECtalk; Luis Carlos González Moráles; Blake Roberts
>> *Subject:* Re: [DECtalk] voice creation
>>
>> last time i tried it the keynote sapi5 voice that he made is very 
>> very slow and unresponsive. that is just how the circumReality voices 
>> are. With NVDA its almost unuseable.
>>
>> On 9/7/2017 5:22 PM, Luis Carlos González Moráles wrote:
>>
>>> Circum Reality. and If you didn't know, CereProc, Acapela Group, 
>>> Cepstral, ETC. Have the capability to build your oune voice, but I 
>>> don't know where we, I say I, can start.
>>>
>>> Ulysses Harmony Garcia via Dectalk escribió:
>>>
>>>> Hi Blake,
>>>> I didn't know there was a KeyNote voice for SAPI 5. How was this 
>>>> converted? What does CR stand for?
>>>> -Ulysses
>>>>
>>>> On 9/7/2017 12:53 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, some of the Circum Reality voices sound good. It's also 
>>>>> wonderful that Jake Gross made a SAPI keynote. I did not know that 
>>>>> I could record myself saying a word for correct intonation. Is 
>>>>> version of Circum Reality on Jake's site the most recent version? 
>>>>> My only issue with CR on Jake's site is lack of uninstaller. 
>>>>> Removing a installed CircumReality voice requires editing the 
>>>>> registry. I had to do that when I had CR voice(s) on my computer 
>>>>> some time ago. Editing the registry scares me because of the 
>>>>> damage incorrectly  editing registry entries can do to a computer. 
>>>>> Is there a newer version of CR available which uninstalls a voice/ 
>>>>> removes voice/CR registry keys?
>>>>>
>>>>> Blake
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Dectalk [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] *On 
>>>>> Behalf Of *Brandon Tyson
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 07, 2017 12:47 PM
>>>>> *To:* DECtalk
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [DECtalk] voice creation
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to touch on one point please:
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if they can’t do SAPI, and even though this wouldn’t be the 
>>>>> same, I’m still quite happy with the now open-sourced 
>>>>> CircumReality voice and think that they sound pretty good.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I particularly like about those is that even if they do have 
>>>>> a mispronunciation, it’s giving you the possibility to change the 
>>>>> way a particular word, or even whole phrases, sound through manual 
>>>>> hand made recordings, I think, which would theoretically be used 
>>>>> in conjunction with the synthesizer itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this make sense?
>>>>>
>>>>> E.g. A user types in “Wow!” but they find the intonation is 
>>>>> incorrect. It says “wow.” Instead, making it sound boring. So the 
>>>>> user can go in and manually correct this to have it say “Wow!” 
>>>>> correctly by making an individual recording for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brandon
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Devin Prater <mailto:r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 7, 2017 8:56 AM
>>>>> *To: *DECtalk <mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [DECtalk] voice creation
>>>>>
>>>>> Yuly, GPU is the Graphics processing unit, and the CPU is the 
>>>>> central processing unit.
>>>>>
>>>>> A neural net is is a way for computers to learn as a human does, 
>>>>> through artificial intelligence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 7:39 AM, Ulysses Harmony Garcia via Dectalk 
>>>>> <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com <mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     What is GPU, and how is that different from CPU? Also, how
>>>>>     does neural networking work? Does the computer map out a brain
>>>>>     on a series of coordinates the way it does when mapping out an
>>>>>     MRI or 3D printing the model of the brain? I'm interested in
>>>>>     knowing what programming languages, interpreter scripts, etc
>>>>>     they use so that people in college and university labs who do
>>>>>     neuroscientific work can build more neural networks to
>>>>>     experiment on.
>>>>>     I've read some sci-fi literature on how mind-uploading could
>>>>>     work, but the problem is that it would be nearly impossible to
>>>>>     calculate the exact number of neurones, neurotransmitters,
>>>>>     synapses, and receptors, and which memories or part of
>>>>>     identity they link up to. It would require a huge load of
>>>>>     processing and a really high knowledge of map coordination in
>>>>>     three dimensions to put a series of binary code in each region
>>>>>     of how the brain would look like.
>>>>>     -Ulysses
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 9/7/2017 5:22 AM, Piotr Machacz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         I don’t think LyreBird will ever be able to make local
>>>>>         voices, SAPI or otherwise. At least not in the near
>>>>>         future. The way I understand it, their system uses a
>>>>>         massive GPU cluster to run a neural net that gets trained
>>>>>         on people’s voices (this is why if you make enough
>>>>>         recordings it learns to mimic you so well). It literally
>>>>>         makes connections and figures out patterns like a human
>>>>>         brain. If you were to run something like this on a single
>>>>>         home computer, even one with a beefy CPU or preferably a
>>>>>         good high end GPU, I imagine it would take days to train,
>>>>>         and then minutes if not a few hours to generate 1 clip of
>>>>>         speech. That being said, neural nets are getting more and
>>>>>         more common and are started to be used on a small scale on
>>>>>         computers or phones, and some companies like Microsoft or
>>>>>         Google are developing processor chips designed
>>>>>         specifically for neural nets. So maybe you’ll see this
>>>>>         become an offline technology in a few years. For now, we
>>>>>         know that lyrebird wants to make an API available for this
>>>>>         technology, so you can expect apps and websites to make
>>>>>         use of it (IE a chatting website might let you enter your
>>>>>         voice fingerprint and then you can talk to other people by
>>>>>         typing text and getting your actual voice out, or perhaps
>>>>>         getting news or weather spoken to you with your own voice)
>>>>>
>>>>>             On 7 Sep 2017, at 11:13, Jayson Smith
>>>>>             <jaybird at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>             <mailto:jaybird at bluegrasspals.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>             I don't know of any other voice creation program which
>>>>>             can make a SAPI voice. If you still have the original
>>>>>             recordings, and you still own the copyright in and to
>>>>>             them I.E. you didn't sign some sort of agreement
>>>>>             giving all your rights to Innoetics, you should in
>>>>>             theory be able to use such a service if one were to
>>>>>             exist at some point in the future. You might try
>>>>>             contacting Lyrebird and explaining your situation, see
>>>>>             what they say.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Sorry I can't be of more help,
>>>>>
>>>>>             Jayson
>>>>>
>>>>>             On 9/6/2017 3:03 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:
>>>>>             > Lyrebird sounds interesting. I notice that in FAQ
>>>>>             Lyrebird says they
>>>>>
>>>>>             > can create a higher-quality voice if I have a lot of
>>>>>             recordings but
>>>>>
>>>>>             > this is not available in the current beta. On a
>>>>>             related topic, let me
>>>>>
>>>>>             > put all my cards on the table. Before Innoetics was
>>>>>             acquired by
>>>>>
>>>>>             > Samsung, I was creating a SAPI of myself with help
>>>>>             from a innoetics
>>>>>
>>>>>             > founder. In July 2017 around the time of Samsung's
>>>>>             acquisition of the
>>>>>
>>>>>             > company, the Innoetics founder told me he would send
>>>>>             me a SAPI of my
>>>>>
>>>>>             > voice using the thousands of sentences I recorded.
>>>>>             Due to no SAPI
>>>>>
>>>>>             > received after almost 2 months from that promise, I'm
>>>>>             thinking the
>>>>>
>>>>>             > Innoetics founder  whom I won't specify on-list might
>>>>>             not be able to
>>>>>
>>>>>             > create Blake Sapi. I'm not trying to sound critical
>>>>>             of the indivudal.
>>>>>
>>>>>             > I'm just accepting the possibility that
>>>>>             aforementioned promise might
>>>>>
>>>>>             > not be fulfilled. Does anyone know of a voice
>>>>>             creation program which
>>>>>
>>>>>             > can create a SAPI from already recorded sentence wave
>>>>>             files? I spent
>>>>>
>>>>>             > many hours and months recording over a thousand
>>>>>             sentences for the
>>>>>
>>>>>             > aforementioned Innoetics Blake Sapi. I did the
>>>>>             recording at no
>>>>>
>>>>>             > financial cost for personal/friends use. I don't want
>>>>>             my time/effort
>>>>>
>>>>>             > to be wasted. Blake
>>>>>
>>>>>             >
>>>>>
>>>>>             > -----Original Message----- From: Dectalk
>>>>>
>>>>>             > [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf
>>>>>             Of Jayson Smith
>>>>>
>>>>>             > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 12:20 PM To:
>>>>>             DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>
>>>>>             > Subject: [DECtalk] Lyrebird TTS, a demo is finally here!
>>>>>
>>>>>             >
>>>>>
>>>>>             > Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>             >
>>>>>
>>>>>             >
>>>>>
>>>>>             > A few months ago, I heard about Lyrebird, a future
>>>>>             project which
>>>>>
>>>>>             > would allow anyone to create a synthetic clone of
>>>>>             their own voice.
>>>>>
>>>>>             > Last night I found out that it's finally here, in an
>>>>>             early beta form.
>>>>>
>>>>>             > If you go to http://lyrebird.ai <http://lyrebird.ai/>
>>>>>             and create an account, you can then
>>>>>
>>>>>             > record a minimum of thirty sentences they specify,
>>>>>             the more you
>>>>>
>>>>>             > record the better, and then create your digital
>>>>>             voice. Then you can
>>>>>
>>>>>             > have it speak any text you choose. I've played with
>>>>>             it, and while the
>>>>>
>>>>>             > quality isn't the best, it does pretty accurately
>>>>>             capture my voice,
>>>>>
>>>>>             > as well as most of the other people I know of who
>>>>>             have created
>>>>>
>>>>>             > voices. Check it out!
>>>>>
>>>>>             >
>>>>>
>>>>>             >
>>>>>
>>>>>             > Jayson
>>>>>
>>>>>             >
>>>>>
>>>>>             >
>>>>>
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