[DECtalk] how to do gender change in Dectalk?
Alex H.
linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com
Tue Jan 31 18:50:01 EST 2012
You can use ttsapp.exe but it's not perfect. Has strange issues.
On 1/31/12, ebruckert Bruckert <edbruckert at gmail.com> wrote:
> you know this is the type of thing exactly what I was talking
> about that Dennis would never do, you basically called me a liar.
> In all honesty there is nobody in the world that knows DECtalk better than
> I do Kasai was with it before day one. There is no magic code and never has
> been, with regard to singing, my guess is he doesn't know the sequence
> required necessarily to do it. And I have no idea what version he licensed
> from them at this point, but have the engineer call me and will get it
> singing.
> read the SAPI spec in order to comply and be certified with
> Microsoft you have to comply. And part of that specification is what
> commands to the synthesizer can be and which ones have to be, but no other
> commands are allowed.
> and I have no relationship with enable, other than as a free
> consult, because I do care I wanted it for myself as well as for others
> because I need a screen reader. I generate this text with the speech
> recognition system so there may be some interesting mistakes.
> The only way I know of to be able to send the phonemic commands
> desired is to release a DLL which has to be talk to was a program that
> supports the adapting interface, which isn't so awful because there are two
> programs that are license free and free for anyone to use that can talk to
> the deputy speak.exe and say.exe {four batch programs).
> if anyone knows how to pass DECtalk specific commands through a SAPI
> interface I'm all ears.
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:52 PM, <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>> You know, after thinking about it, Ed is wrong, and I want to say why
>> because if I don't, I'm the one that looks like the one who's wrong.
>>
>> Lets talk about Dectalk Reader 1 and how people should know by the name
>> that it can't sing. I'm gonna bring up Ancilla, which was a voice mail
>> program that ran in Windows 3.1. And if you think that's too old for
>> anyone to remember, un, I'm writing about it, so I remember. It came with
>> a speech engine and it happened to be Dectalk. And the surprise feature
>> was, it could sing.
>>
>> Does any Dectalk product mention singing? Not that I know of, not until
>> you install it. So why on God's green Earth should anyone know by the
>> name
>> alone that Dectalk Reader 1 won't sing? As long as it's Dectalk, I think
>> anyone would rightfully assume that it will sing. So I think the name
>> misleads people.
>>
>> Now, why are you blaming Microsoft when I know for a fact that they are
>> not to blame for why it won't sing. And how do I know this? There is a
>> device company called Talking Box and they use Dectalk. Their Dectalk
>> won't sing and I had to know why just because I wanted to know. I got to
>> talk to an engineer at Talking Box and was totally fascinated with what he
>> told me. There is a command that they can encode that restricts the
>> singing. And being that I know this, I know that Talking Box could either
>> tell you the code, or tell you who to contact to get the code. I would
>> help track it but um, I was fired for speaking the truth.
>>
>> And shall we bring up Stacy, the only person that you know that has the
>> codes that you need. The one person that had the brains enough to walk
>> away because all you guys do is make up stories. Actually I have no idea
>> why she walked away, but from everything I know, I don't blame her and she
>> actually has my respect.
>>
>> So cut the crap. If I had the go ahead I could track down the needed
>> codes because I know where to start looking. And actually I think you do
>> to but you're to worried about your pension from Fonix. I know about the
>> contract, I know about a lot of stuff, a lot of red tape that keeps this
>> SAPI from being what it could be. That's why it's garbage, because Corine
>> Bickley signed an insane contract with Fonix and never did get what she
>> paid for. So you are all stuck with what you have to work with because no
>> one has any guts.
>>
>> And no, I never met Dennis Klatt, I never said I did. But I know him
>> through his work which was a head of it's time. I'm not the only one that
>> sings with Dectalk. If you search on youtube, you will find a number of
>> people who sang the National Anthem among other things., Dennis Klatt
>> made
>> that happen. Dennis had the desire to give the possibility of singing
>> never knowing how far it could go. Still, he put out that possibility.
>> And yeah, I'm the most known synthetic singer, but I'm not the only
>> synthetic singer. And it shouldn't have to end over a source code.
>> Dennis
>> wanted to give everyone the option to sing, so he made it part of Dectalk.
>>
>> So by releasing a version that can't sing, you are giving up on every
>> person that wants to sing. Is that really what Dennis Klatt would do? A
>> guy that made his own Daughter smile by having Dectalk sing to her on her
>> birthday? You can actually live with not having this sing?
>>
>> That's why I say and repeat, Dennis would roll over in his grave. This is
>> not what Dennis would do. His work speaks for him.
>>
>>
>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>
>> In a message dated 1/30/2012 1:53:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> beroberts at hughes.net writes:
>>
>> I agree that the product is releaseable and a dictionary should be
>> included. The samples definitely sound better now. I can understand 85-90
>> percent of the words.
>> Blake
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com [mailto:
>> dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] *On Behalf Of *Dectalk at aol.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 30, 2012 1:39 PM
>> *To:* dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [DECtalk] how to do gender change in Dectalk?
>>
>> Still, there should be a dictionary included to change how words are
>> pronounced.
>>
>>
>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>
>> In a message dated 1/30/2012 1:31:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> bmisch2002 at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> i heard these samples on klango a month ago and they sounded better than
>> that DECtalk sample that was out early last year.
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Dectalk at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> After posting the link I tried it myself. I think these files were
>> updated because I'm now understanding them at 100 percent. However, "New"
>> still sounds like "Moo", but this is releasable. I actually like it now.
>> Wow! I never thought you guys would pull it off! I hope you fix "New",
>> and the "H" in "Hurricane" is too long, but this is damn good now.
>>
>>
>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>
>> In a message dated 1/30/2012 12:15:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> Dectalk at aol.com writes:
>>
>> Let me share the link to the unreleased demos that I'm talking about. And
>> actually the word "New" sounds like "Moo".
>>
>> To hear samples of all the voices, just change the name at the end of the
>> link.
>> http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/dennis/
>>
>>
>>
>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>
>> In a message dated 1/30/2012 11:49:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> bmisch2002 at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> that ductal demo sounds like 4.61 or something close to it.
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Dectalk at aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Fine, release it, whatever. The latest MP3 recordings of Dectalk Reader
>> 1 have pops in most of the voices, and the weather report in the demo is
>> only like 80 percent understandable. So fine, I'll say it's the best
>> thing I ever heard in my life if that's what you want. It's a lie, but gm
>> starting to feel like the truth doesn't exist any more.
>>
>> "Four score and 7 years ago our Father's brought forth a new nation", or
>> whatever that line is. The word "New" is annoyingly pronounced. I have
>> no
>> clue what is wrong with it, it sounds like [nuwuwuw], rather than
>> [nuw]. I'm not sure, it's just annoying. My point is, if you are not
>> offering an online demo, or anything that people can't try, and if those
>> two demos are the only thing that people hear, and if it won't even have a
>> dictionary that people can edit how it says words, then, then, then. Oh
>> good grief.
>>
>>
>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>
>> In a message dated 1/30/2012 10:31:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> edbruckert at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> additional information, I forgot to mention that sometime in the
>> late 80s when Dennis added a female data set to DECtalk the sex option
>> change from a scaling function to simply selecting a male or female
>> phonetic base, but in no way can I remember when that occurred.
>> As a general comment I alone did the four point X versions of
>> DECtalk as Dennis was born at that point, so I know them intimately, but
>> even years ago people would prefer different versions and trying to make
>> one sound exactly like the other was exceedingly difficult and a lot of it
>> occurred because of changes in the overall coding that were done not
>> because we wanted to but because we had to meet evolving programming
>> standards to keep it running on various tools because if we didn't sell
>> DECtalk we simply went home and unfortunately economics force the focus
>> away from the screen reader environment. I did not like this change but
>> DECtalk more than once was in survival mode, I am using the latest version
>> and to say it's on understandable is an exaggeration,
>> preferring a different version is very understandable. I have no problems
>> with people saying what I want but understand this is anything but easy
>> with limited funds, I donate my time but other people cannot and the fact
>> that I'm going blind and I am not a Windows or SAPI programmer there are
>> limits to what can be done. But I think junk is an unfair exaggeration.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Jake McMahan
>> <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> I have to say, I love the sound of dectalk reader one. I really
>>> want this version badly. I don't care if it will sing, and I don't care
>>> about anything else. I love it the way it is. To me, it's not garbage,
>>> it's a version of dectalk that I personally like. I want this version,
>>> again.
>>>
>>> *From:* Dectalk at aol.com
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:09 PM
>>> *To:* dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [DECtalk] how to do gender change in Dectalk?
>>>
>>> Um, Ed, excuse me but Blake and I both heard the latest MP3 samples of
>>> Dectalk Reader 1. The speech is not understandable.
>>>
>>>
>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/29/2012 8:59:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> musicalman1 at comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>> Well, I've stated this opinion time and time again, and every time I do,
>>> people seem to think I'm nuts or that I'm too conservative.
>>> First off, people are nnot stupid. If they call it Dectalk Reader, then
>>> who in their right mind will think snoopi's instructions on making it
>>> sing,
>>> will work with a reader of all things?
>>> And, the Dectalk that Enable has, isn't unusable. there are some on this
>>> list that like it for what it is. I myself do not, but that's my opinion.
>>> One man's garbage is another man's treasure...
>>> This isn't the first time someone released a Dectalk that wasn't a thing
>>> like what we all know. Force did it, Fonix did it. But everyone still
>>> stuckw ith Dectalk 4.3 and 4.4. So I don't see why Enable is going to
>>> just
>>> ruin everything. If people don't like it, they will simply not use it
>>> just
>>> like they did with everything else. I do not agree with Enable's motives,
>>> but I will never tell them their product is garbage. Let's say I tell
>>> someone on this list their production is garbage. they worked for hours
>>> on
>>> it. They will most likely be glad to have received the high complement?
>>> Even if it's the worst piece of garbage you ever heard. It's simply not
>>> anything close to constructive to say it that way. So now Enable just
>>> releases what they have because some people use it and they've fired
>>> those
>>> who told them off. It's sad but true. They have their faults, we have
>>> ours.
>>> If we don't like them, that's how it is. But I was seriously hoping the
>>> Enable business was over with. They'd either fix it or they wouldn't.
>>> *sigh*
>>> I continue to hope that Dennis will like what eventually becomes of
>>> Dectalk. Maybe enable will do something for the better, or someone else
>>> will. But we have no hopeful dectalk future, which is sad. I believe all
>>> of
>>> us, that being Enable and those of us who were very harsh on them, had a
>>> part in that. I am so fed up with this argument between us and Enable!
>>> Let's just not post anything else degrading about them. Please? we've
>>> done
>>> that enough!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> *From:* ebruckert Bruckert <edbruckert at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* DECtalk Discussions <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:30 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [DECtalk] how to do gender change in Dectalk?
>>>
>>> I want to clarify some things and some things that make me quite
>>> upset. Making statements like Dennis would roll over in his grave when
>>> you
>>> never even knew Dennis I find disrespectful. Dennis was a person I always
>>> looked up to and tried to emulate in my life. And he would never
>>> denigrate
>>> people the way you seem inclined to do, especially when in plain English
>>> you don't know what the hell you're talking about!! the issue of singing
>>> in
>>> the SAPI version has nothing to do with DECtalk if you want to get mad at
>>> somebody get mad at Microsoft for creating a specification that doesn't
>>> allow for commands to be passed to a synthesizer. The DECtalk created
>>> could
>>> sing if you get get the damn commands to it. In plain English I'm
>>> thoroughly disgusted with your rants.
>>> The sex command was created for the original DECtalk because we only
>>> had one acoustic database so Dennis did the best he could trying to
>>> develop
>>> an algorithm to scale performance between a male and a female which works
>>> to some extent but can't be perfect due to the complexities involved in
>>> that it's not linear.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:45 AM, <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> **
>>>> Thank you! I knew it was possible but I never totally knew how. I am
>>>> trying to jump start my business called "THE FLAME OF HOPE". As most of
>>>> you know I have over 1200 songs, and right now I'm trying to put as many
>>>> of
>>>> them as I can to music. Some I flat out can't because when I first
>>>> started
>>>> I made really bad errors such as not doing the entire song. Part of it
>>>> was
>>>> I started with easy sheet music which often only has one verse. But I'm
>>>> doing new songs as well.
>>>>
>>>> The reason is, people now have avatars and easy to use animation
>>>> software. So I'm marketing the free 4.40 Speak Window which is free for
>>>> the asking, then I'm selling my instructions on how to create voices and
>>>> make them sing.
>>>>
>>>> I bring this up because I have a question for all of you. Enable Rehab
>>>> is getting ready to release "DECTALK READER 1", and there might be an
>>>> Earthquake on that day because Dennis Klatt might roll over in his
>>>> grave.
>>>> This thing as far as I know won't sing. The voices from the latest I
>>>> have
>>>> heard are still bad quality because the voices pop in the MP3 recordings
>>>> that I have heart. I don't think it will come with a dictionary so
>>>> people
>>>> can edit how words are said. And in my opinion, this thing is still
>>>> garbage! I got fired for saying that but big deal, I'm only saying the
>>>> truth!
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, Enable Rehab won't take "Dectalk" out of the name because they
>>>> feel the name is a marketing tool. I personally think it's fraud
>>>> because
>>>> it will be so different from the Dectalk that we all know and love that
>>>> it
>>>> really isn't Dectalk. They're calling it "Reader 1" so people will know
>>>> by
>>>> the title that it will only read. (Sick)
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'm upset because thanks to both E voice and now the internet, I
>>>> think I'm as associated with Dectalk as much as Dennis Klatt. This
>>>> upcoming release is making me sick because I'm afraid people might buy
>>>> this
>>>> Dectalk SAPI garbage and think my instructions will work with it. So
>>>> I'm
>>>> very upset that they are calling it Dectalk anything. They really need
>>>> to
>>>> remove "Dectalk" from the title because I view it as a deception of the
>>>> worse kind!
>>>>
>>>> Here is my question. I think a petition should be started because this
>>>> is just wrong! BUT, I don't know if the petition should be to just drop
>>>> "Dectalk" from the name, OR, to just scrap this garbage. And, I don't
>>>> want
>>>> to be the one to start the petition because I don't know how. But if a
>>>> petition does get started, it needs to go all over the internet and get
>>>> back to Enable Rehab.
>>>>
>>>> I just feel that by marking this garbage under "Dectalk", they are
>>>> taking advantage of both the blind and the disabled communities because
>>>> they know "Dectalk" will bring in sales just because of the name. And
>>>> because my name is known with Dectalk, I feel this soon to be released
>>>> garbage will effect my image and my business.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 1/28/2012 9:49:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> beroberts at hughes.net writes:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Alex. That syntax works in both DT 4.4 and 4.3. I did a quick
>>>> test
>>>> with both versions. Note to Snoopi: the female versions of Frank and
>>>> Dennis
>>>> sound odd. I think breathiness will need to be changed with the br
>>>> command
>>>> for best results.
>>>> Blake
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com
>>>> [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Alex H.
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:06 PM
>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] how to do gender change in Dectalk?
>>>>
>>>> sorry, [:nf][:dv sx 0] should do it.
>>>>
>>>> On 1/28/12, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > [:sx 0]
>>>> >
>>>> > On 1/28/12, Blake Roberts <beroberts at hughes.net> wrote:
>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>> >> Snoopi asked me to pose a question to the listserv. He knows about
>>>> >> the gender change command, sx. Does it work in DT 4.4? If so, what is
>>>> >> the correct syntax?
>>>> >> Snoopi wants to program the song Emotion by The Bee Gees using a
>>>> >> breathy female Frank or Dennis. I know that may sound funny, but it
>>>> >> is a serious thing. If anyone knows how to change Frank or Dennis to
>>>> >> female, please share. I figure someone on here probably does.
>>>> >> Alternatively, if anyone else wants to program a female Frank or
>>>> >> Dennis version of the song, Snoopi is willing to do the mixing with
>>>> >> music after fixing any phoneems that may be incorrect. He is waiting
>>>> >> for his communication device to be repaired, so Snoopi will not be
>>>> >> able to program the song for about a month.
>>>> >> Blake
>>>> >> Blake
>>>> >>
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