[DECtalk] how to do gender change in Dectalk?
Jayson Smith
ratguy at insightbb.com
Mon Jan 30 12:27:28 EST 2012
That sounds to me just like 4.61, one of my least favorite versions.
Jayson
----- Original Message -----
From: Dectalk at aol.com
To: dectalk at bluegrasspals.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:14:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] how to do gender change in Dectalk?
> Let me share the link to the unreleased demos that I'm talking about.
And
> actually the word "New" sounds like "Moo".
>
> To hear samples of all the voices, just change the name at the end of the
> link.
> _http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/dennis/_
> (http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/dennis/)
>
>
>
> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>
>
> In a message dated 1/30/2012 11:49:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> bmisch2002 at gmail.com writes:
>
> that ductal demo sounds like 4.61 or something close to it.
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2012, at 11:08 AM, _Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Fine, release it, whatever. The latest MP3 recordings of Dectalk Reader
1
> have pops in most of the voices, and the weather report in the demo is
> only like 80 percent understandable. So fine, I'll say it's the best
thing I
> ever heard in my life if that's what you want. It's a lie, but gm
> starting to feel like the truth doesn't exist any more.
>
> "Four score and 7 years ago our Father's brought forth a new nation", or
> whatever that line is. The word "New" is annoyingly pronounced. I have
no
> clue what is wrong with it, it sounds like [nuwuwuw], rather than [nuw].
> I'm not sure, it's just annoying. My point is, if you are not offering
an
> online demo, or anything that people can't try, and if those two demos
are
> the only thing that people hear, and if it won't even have a dictionary
> that people can edit how it says words, then, then, then. Oh good
grief.
>
>
> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>
>
> In a message dated 1/30/2012 10:31:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> _edbruckert at gmail.com_ (mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com) writes:
>
> additional information, I forgot to mention that sometime in the late
80s
> when Dennis added a female data set to DECtalk the sex option change
from a
> scaling function to simply selecting a male or female phonetic base, but
> in no way can I remember when that occurred.
> As a general comment I alone did the four point X versions of DECtalk as
> Dennis was born at that point, so I know them intimately, but even years
ago
> people would prefer different versions and trying to make one sound
> exactly like the other was exceedingly difficult and a lot of it
occurred because
> of changes in the overall coding that were done not because we wanted to
> but because we had to meet evolving programming standards to keep it
running
> on various tools because if we didn't sell DECtalk we simply went home
and
> unfortunately economics force the focus away from the screen reader
> environment. I did not like this change but DECtalk more than once was
in
> survival mode, I am using the latest version and to say it's on
understandable is
> an exaggeration,
> preferring a different version is very understandable. I have no
problems
> with people saying what I want but understand this is anything but easy
> with limited funds, I donate my time but other people cannot and the
fact that
> I'm going blind and I am not a Windows or SAPI programmer there are
limits
> to what can be done. But I think junk is an unfair exaggeration.
>
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Jake McMahan <_mcmahan.jake at gmail.com_
> (mailto:mcmahan.jake at gmail.com) > wrote:
>
>
>
> I have to say, I love the sound of dectalk reader one. I really want
this
> version badly. I don't care if it will sing, and I don't care about
> anything else. I love it the way it is. To me, it's not garbage, it's
a
> version of dectalk that I personally like. I want this version, again.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: _Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:09 PM
> To: _dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>
>
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] how to do gender change in Dectalk?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Um, Ed, excuse me but Blake and I both heard the latest MP3 samples of
> Dectalk Reader 1. The speech is not understandable.
>
>
> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>
>
> In a message dated 1/29/2012 8:59:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> _musicalman1 at comcast.net_ (mailto:musicalman1 at comcast.net) writes:
>
> Well, I've stated this opinion time and time again, and every time I do,
> people seem to think I'm nuts or that I'm too conservative.
> First off, people are nnot stupid. If they call it Dectalk Reader, then
> who in their right mind will think snoopi's instructions on making it
sing,
> will work with a reader of all things?
> And, the Dectalk that Enable has, isn't unusable. there are some on this
> list that like it for what it is. I myself do not, but that's my
opinion.
> One man's garbage is another man's treasure...
> This isn't the first time someone released a Dectalk that wasn't a thing
> like what we all know. Force did it, Fonix did it. But everyone still
stuckw
> ith Dectalk 4.3 and 4.4. So I don't see why Enable is going to just ruin
> everything. If people don't like it, they will simply not use it just
like
> they did with everything else. I do not agree with Enable's motives, but
I
> will never tell them their product is garbage. Let's say I tell someone
on
> this list their production is garbage. they worked for hours on it. They
> will most likely be glad to have received the high complement? Even if
it's
> the worst piece of garbage you ever heard. It's simply not anything
close to
> constructive to say it that way. So now Enable just releases what they
> have because some people use it and they've fired those who told them
off.
> It's sad but true. They have their faults, we have ours. If we don't
like
> them, that's how it is. But I was seriously hoping the Enable business
was over
> with. They'd either fix it or they wouldn't. *sigh*
> I continue to hope that Dennis will like what eventually becomes of
> Dectalk. Maybe enable will do something for the better, or someone else
will. But
> we have no hopeful dectalk future, which is sad. I believe all of us,
that
> being Enable and those of us who were very harsh on them, had a part in
> that. I am so fed up with this argument between us and Enable! Let's
just not
> post anything else degrading about them. Please? we've done that enough!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: _ebruckert Bruckert_ (mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com)
> To: _DECtalk Discussions_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com)
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] how to do gender change in Dectalk?
>
>
> I want to clarify some things and some things that make me quite upset.
> Making statements like Dennis would roll over in his grave when you
never
> even knew Dennis I find disrespectful. Dennis was a person I always
looked up
> to and tried to emulate in my life. And he would never denigrate people
> the way you seem inclined to do, especially when in plain English you
don't
> know what the hell you're talking about!! the issue of singing in the
SAPI
> version has nothing to do with DECtalk if you want to get mad at
somebody
> get mad at Microsoft for creating a specification that doesn't allow for
> commands to be passed to a synthesizer. The DECtalk created could sing
if you
> get get the damn commands to it. In plain English I'm thoroughly
disgusted
> with your rants.
> The sex command was created for the original DECtalk because we only had
> one acoustic database so Dennis did the best he could trying to develop
an
> algorithm to scale performance between a male and a female which works
to
> some extent but can't be perfect due to the complexities involved in
that
> it's not linear.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 8:45 AM, <_Dectalk at aol.com_
> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) > wrote:
>
>
> Thank you! I knew it was possible but I never totally knew how. I am
> trying to jump start my business called "THE FLAME OF HOPE". As most of
you
> know I have over 1200 songs, and right now I'm trying to put as many of
them
> as I can to music. Some I flat out can't because when I first started I
> made really bad errors such as not doing the entire song. Part of it
was I
> started with easy sheet music which often only has one verse. But I'm
> doing new songs as well.
>
> The reason is, people now have avatars and easy to use animation
software.
> So I'm marketing the free 4.40 Speak Window which is free for the
asking,
> then I'm selling my instructions on how to create voices and make them
> sing.
>
> I bring this up because I have a question for all of you. Enable Rehab
is
> getting ready to release "DECTALK READER 1", and there might be an
> Earthquake on that day because Dennis Klatt might roll over in his
grave. This
> thing as far as I know won't sing. The voices from the latest I have
heard
> are still bad quality because the voices pop in the MP3 recordings that
I
> have heart. I don't think it will come with a dictionary so people can
edit
> how words are said. And in my opinion, this thing is still garbage! I
> got fired for saying that but big deal, I'm only saying the truth!
>
> Anyway, Enable Rehab won't take "Dectalk" out of the name because they
> feel the name is a marketing tool. I personally think it's fraud
because it
> will be so different from the Dectalk that we all know and love that it
> really isn't Dectalk. They're calling it "Reader 1" so people will know
by the
> title that it will only read. (Sick)
>
> Anyway, I'm upset because thanks to both E voice and now the internet, I
> think I'm as associated with Dectalk as much as Dennis Klatt. This
upcoming
> release is making me sick because I'm afraid people might buy this
Dectalk
> SAPI garbage and think my instructions will work with it. So I'm very
> upset that they are calling it Dectalk anything. They really need to
remove
> "Dectalk" from the title because I view it as a deception of the worse
kind!
>
> Here is my question. I think a petition should be started because this
is
> just wrong! BUT, I don't know if the petition should be to just drop
> "Dectalk" from the name, OR, to just scrap this garbage. And, I don't
want to
> be the one to start the petition because I don't know how. But if a
> petition does get started, it needs to go all over the internet and get
back to
> Enable Rehab.
>
> I just feel that by marking this garbage under "Dectalk", they are
taking
> advantage of both the blind and the disabled communities because they
know
> "Dectalk" will bring in sales just because of the name. And because my
> name is known with Dectalk, I feel this soon to be released garbage will
> effect my image and my business.
>
>
> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/28/2012 9:49:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> _beroberts at hughes.net_ (mailto:beroberts at hughes.net) writes:
>
> Thanks Alex. That syntax works in both DT 4.4 and 4.3. I did a quick test
> with both versions. Note to Snoopi: the female versions of Frank and
> Dennis
> sound odd. I think breathiness will need to be changed with the br
command
> for best results.
> Blake
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: _dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com_
> (mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com)
> [mailto:_dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com_
> (mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com) ] On Behalf Of Alex H.
> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:06 PM
> To: DECtalk Discussions
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] how to do gender change in Dectalk?
>
> sorry, [:nf][:dv sx 0] should do it.
>
> On 1/28/12, Alex H. <_linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com_
> (mailto:linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com) > wrote:
> > [:sx 0]
> >
> > On 1/28/12, Blake Roberts <_beroberts at hughes.net_
> (mailto:beroberts at hughes.net) > wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >> Snoopi asked me to pose a question to the listserv. He knows about
> >> the gender change command, sx. Does it work in DT 4.4? If so, what is
> >> the correct syntax?
> >> Snoopi wants to program the song Emotion by The Bee Gees using a
> >> breathy female Frank or Dennis. I know that may sound funny, but it
> >> is a serious thing. If anyone knows how to change Frank or Dennis to
> >> female, please share. I figure someone on here probably does.
> >> Alternatively, if anyone else wants to program a female Frank or
> >> Dennis version of the song, Snoopi is willing to do the mixing with
> >> music after fixing any phoneems that may be incorrect. He is waiting
> >> for his communication device to be repaired, so Snoopi will not be
> >> able to program the song for about a month.
> >> Blake
> >> Blake
> >>
> >
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