[DECtalk] Any news?
Brandon Misch
bmisch2002 at gmail.com
Thu May 5 23:09:40 EDT 2011
probably
On May 5, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Alex H. wrote:
> Once they realize they've ticked off most of the DECTalk users in the
> world, or at the very least on this list,they might consider doubling
> back and trying to fix this mess of moldy potatoes.
>
> Alex
>
> On 5/5/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Sounds like a guy, about 65, recorded with a cold, with a very slight speech
>> problem, and a bad microphone. That's the best I've heard out of this
>> thing. Some of the female voices go lower than he does, when you can hear
>> them through the squalking and clipping.
>> Oh well, as has been said, it's not much use talking about it. They're set
>> in their ways. I'm still secretly thinking something will happen. I just
>> can't see something like this gaining a profit, or a decent number of
>> satisfied users.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <johnnybrl at gmail.com>
>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>
>>
>>> Yeah Paul sounds like a pretty old guy.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Brandon Misch" <bmisch2002 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 6:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>
>>>
>>>> i know what you mean the paul voice is ok but isn't like 4.3 or anything
>>>> but is still listenable.
>>>>
>>>> On May 5, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think that just shows how little they care. I'd GLADLY! Use a 4.61
>>>>> SAPI version of DECTalk any day of the week than this .... garbage!
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/5/11, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>>> What's worse is that, if this gets released in its current state, any
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> name DECtalk may have had will get tarnished. We all thought Force did
>>>>>> horrible things with it. Now this! Someone who sees that a SAPI version
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> DECtalk is available is likely to get excited if they know what DECtalk
>>>>>> is.
>>>>>> When they put down their bucks to actually buy the thing, I hate to
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> think what the reactions will be. This is ridiculous, and an insult to
>>>>>> Dennis Klatt.
>>>>>> Someone who just wants a SAPI synth who has no idea what DECtalk is
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> find the Paul voice acceptable. It sounds like an old guy, which is
>>>>>> certainly *not!* how it's supposed to sound. But I'd love to tell such
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> person to type [:nu] and see what happens after that.
>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:14 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess they're just tired of hearing that something's wrong? Sounds
>>>>>>> like a give-up stratagy to me. Funny thing is, probably nobody will
>>>>>>> buy this unless they want to just use Paul or enjoy the sounds of
>>>>>>> clipping mutated DECTalks or something.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/5/11, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> What the? This product, as we've seen it, is absolutely nowhere near
>>>>>>>> ready
>>>>>>>> for release. It has several obvious bugs. One of the more crippling
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> totally ridiculous in my opinion is that some of the factory default
>>>>>>>> voices
>>>>>>>> are virtually unusable because their parameters are incorrect.
>>>>>>>> Factory
>>>>>>>> voices, mind you. Not something some user has messed around with and
>>>>>>>> screwed
>>>>>>>> up. Default voices, which are supposed to be usable. Sigh.
>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: <Dectalk at aol.com>
>>>>>>>> To: <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 6:54 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ugh! I just got word. The programmer won't be allowed to join and
>>>>>>>>> they're doing an "As is" release. (SIGH)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can't write any more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 4:40:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>>> bmisch2002 at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see. hope that this project gets fixed soon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 5, 2011, at 4:12 PM, _Dectalk at aol.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just so everyone knows, I'm not talking about Ed at all. It's
>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>> else and I've been instructed not to post the name. Actually I've
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>>> to stop writing about the programmer. But just to be clear, it's
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>>>> it's someone else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 3:54:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>>> _musicalman1 at comcast.net_ (mailto:musicalman1 at comcast.net) writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very understandable. I did too, after hearing what you were told. I
>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>> hoep we can get him on this list and see what comes out of it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: _Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
>>>>>>>>> To: _dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:44 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe if we all ask nicely, someone who knows the programmer will
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> person on here. I just might not post anything if this person does
>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>> up. After all, I got told I don't know what I'm talking about.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This person is smart, I just needed to vent. I work out of a
>>>>>>>>> bedroom,
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> kind of trapped here because the house is not wheelchair
>>>>>>>>> accessible,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> after I was told I didn't know what I was talking about, I needed
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> vent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 3:32:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>>> _musicalman1 at comcast.net_ (mailto:musicalman1 at comcast.net) writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to chat with him at some point and help him out if I
>>>>>>>>> could.
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> sure some of us would too. Some changes really need to be made.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: _Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
>>>>>>>>> To: _dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:57 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have total faith in this list! We all know what we're doing, so
>>>>>>>>> lets
>>>>>>>>> work together and come up with something for this programmer. I
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> person is doing their best, but this is guess work. Maybe we can
>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> of the guessing out of it? Lets show this person we know our
>>>>>>>>> stuff!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 2:47:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>>> _musicalman1 at comcast.net_ (mailto:musicalman1 at comcast.net) writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's much use. As I have been saying, someone has
>>>>>>>>> messsed
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>> because of lack of knowledge, and is being rather stubborn about
>>>>>>>>> admitting
>>>>>>>>> that something needs fixed.
>>>>>>>>> If we as a list could somehow make it work, I'd say this thing
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> turning a whole new direction. For now we can only provide feedback
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> test.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: _Brandon Misch_ (mailto:bmisch2002 at gmail.com)
>>>>>>>>> To: _DECtalk Discussions_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:28 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i see where you're coming from. have you shown the programmers
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> samples like 4.61 etc? maybe you can show them voices like betty so
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> can see
>>>>>>>>> where the loud pops are coming from.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 5, 2011, at 5:59 AM, _Dectalk at aol.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com)
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem is, Blake and I have done that. We sent a sample of
>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>> 4.40 to the head programmer to show how things should sound. We
>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> e-mail back saying our version sounded corrupted. This person
>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>> that Whispering Wendy shouldn't be whispering. Hello, why does
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> think the name is "Whispering Wendy"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is totally clear to Blake and I that this person doesn't know
>>>>>>>>> Dectalk.
>>>>>>>>> And if version 4.40 is viewed as corrupted, there is no hope if
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>> anything right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So because of this, I'm hoping the project gets scrapped because
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> becoming in insult to Dennis Klatt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 12:31:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>>> _bmisch2002 at gmail.com_ (mailto:bmisch2002 at gmail.com) writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> maybe you should send the demo file over to the guys so they could
>>>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>>>> that and how the other voices sound.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't give up just yet. All they need to do is convince this
>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>> that he's wrong and there is a huge, huge difference in this
>>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>> and the real 4.3 version. This new stuff reminds me of a early
>>>>>>>>>> age
>>>>>>>>>> FonixTalk or something with a lot of excess nasal tones.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/4/11, _johnnybrl at gmail.com_ (mailto:johnnybrl at gmail.com)
>>>>>>>>> <_johnnybrl at gmail.com_ (mailto:johnnybrl at gmail.com) > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, since it looks like there won't be a Sapi Dectalk, guess
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> time to
>>>>>>>>>>> look at Neospeech voices or ivona voices. It's too bad the head
>>>>>>>>> programer
>>>>>>>>>>> can't tell the difference between the Dectalk 4.6 and Dectalk 4.3
>>>>>>>>> versions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> O well, was really looking forward to a Sapi version of Dectalk.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Blake Roberts" <_beroberts at hughes.net_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:beroberts at hughes.net) >
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'DECtalk Discussions'" <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:06 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Alex for being the latest list member to point out need
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement. I agree with you that there are clipping/ drop-out
>>>>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, I agree the SAPI Dectalk referred to as 4.3 is
>>>>>>>>>>>> unlike
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>> version of Dectalk I have ever heard. I, too, am unwilling to
>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> SAPI Dectalk.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blake
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: _dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Alex H.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:59 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just heard the demo, and.... Well, I agree with Snoopi, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> terrible.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know who was telling you that nothing's wrong, but this
>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> sound even remotely like any DECTalk version I've heard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That being said, the Huge Harry voice is kinda cool, but yeah
>>>>>>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> issues with clipping and dropouts in the voices, especially with
>>>>>>>>> Ursula
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rita.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think we should give up quite yet though, good things
>>>>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>> who wait. Giving up on this would mean that I and other users of
>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA
>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be able to enjoy DECTalk's great speech.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/4/11, Jayson Smith <_ratguy at insightbb.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One clarification. From what I understand, Enable didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> purchase
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights to any DECtalk version. They only have the right to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> full copyright. As I understand it, the copyright of DECtalk is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> held by Fonix. I could be wrong though, I'm no lawyer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Brandon Misch" <_bmisch2002 at gmail.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:bmisch2002 at gmail.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:28 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it also was 4.6.7 at one time. i doubt this project will please
>>>>>>>>> everyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all we know is enable rehab purchased the wrights to 4.6.7 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fonix
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and trying to use that with the 4.3 data files wasn't a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> question is did this happen with other versions of dectalk? or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> this version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Raymond Grote wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but many people miss the old dectalk 4.3 days. I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got into dectalk, but I can see why. That version of the synth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stilll do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a special place together even though I was never a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dectalk user. The major disappointment for many of us is it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound like that, it's worse, and to some of us it is unusable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my understanding,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone had posted that the synth was supposed to sound like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.6.4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then somewhere along the line it was changed to 4.3?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if this was fixed up, it could still be used as a sapi 5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it needs for it to be a screen reader voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:13 PM, <_johnnybrl at gmail.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:johnnybrl at gmail.com) > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cool just heard the demo. And yes it doesn't sound like 4.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul voice sounds pretty cool.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Frank doesn't sound too bad either. It kind of reminds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fonix talk demo. sounds almost like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And it sounds like this version of dectalk has more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inflection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 did, which I like. I like lots of inflection in synthes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cool lol.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back in high school, we had a computer with Jaws with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> express hooked up to it, and I used to go in there and make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say things lol.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you read below our messages, you'll see a link to a file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inside. if you just want to use paul and a few others, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not for all voices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:45 PM, <_johnnybrl at gmail.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:johnnybrl at gmail.com) > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi, where did you guys get the audio samples of the sapi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dectalk
>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds like you guys have already heard it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:37 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok some of the voices work while others don't. i can see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant by bad quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM, _Dectalk at aol.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3_
>>>>>>>>> (http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above link is the sample that people wanted. Blake and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both told that there is no problem. Tell that to our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ears.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (YUCK)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 11:16:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _edbruckert at gmail.com_ (mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All that means is what you are sent is not acceptable don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be solved I promise at this point in my life I need it as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM, <_Dectalk at aol.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brace yourselves because I don't think you guys will like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worst voice is Kit. I'd do the recording for you guys but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't want to be linked with this pour Dectalk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>>>> Have
>>>>>>>>>>>> fun guys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 9:10:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _ratguy at insightbb.com_ (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a sample text. I assume you can use DECtalk commands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text? An
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3 of the 4.3 speak application performing this exact text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3_
>>>>>>>>> (http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now here's the text.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:phoneme on]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello. This is the factory default Paul voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking now with this voice since this is what most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably going to be using. Let's speed it up a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:ra 300]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is probably how Jayson's JFW would talk normally. Now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put some intonation in there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:dv pr 250] [:dv sr 50]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, this is how Jayson used to listen to DECtalk back in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days. With 4.3 and earlier, if you could get used to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you would over time, this sounds pretty good! It'd take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting used to again, not having had it for so long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of this demo was created a few months ago to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test the various other factory voices and several custom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different DECtalk versions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will now test the other voices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nb] I'm Beautiful Betty, the default female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nh] I'm Huge Harry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] I'm Doctor Dennis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] I'm Frail Frank.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] I'm Uppity Ursula.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nr] I'm Rough Rita.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nw] I'm Whispering Wendy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nk] and I'm Kit the Kid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I'll let the DECtalk manual describe us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] Perfect Paul Standard male voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nb] Beautiful Betty Standard female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nh] Huge Harry Deep male voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] Frail Frank Older male voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nk] Kit the Kid Child's voice (about 10 years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nr] Rough Rita Deep female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] Uppity Ursula Light female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] Doctor Dennis Breathy male voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nw] Whispering Wendy Whispery female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, let's test a few custom voices.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:dv br 0 la 0 sr 100 hr 100 ap 150 pr 95] [:ra 220]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the voice of Rimmer from Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lister, we are being tested! I don't know what to do!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:ra 240] [:dv br 0 hs 95 ap 100 as 100 pr 220 hr 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is Lister.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rimmer! Come over here and help me with this new speech
>>>>>>>>> synthesizer!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 sm 0 hr 0 sr 0]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:ra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 220]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is Holly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is an important announcement. All persons aboard this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ship
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are to report to the voice calibration office at once. That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv br 100 lx 100 bf 100 hr 100 sr 100 as 100 qu 100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ap
>>>>>>>>> 110
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pr 150 sx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 la 0] [:ra 210] This is the voice of the toaster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where this voice calibration office is. Does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want some toast?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv sm 1 hs 90 br 0 ri 0 la 0] [:ra 250] I'm the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who says my voice needs to be calibrated? I want fishies!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 220]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Queeg 500.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of you have any credit, so you may not use the voice
>>>>>>>>> calibrator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] [:dv as 1 bf 10 la 30 nf 10 ri 100 sm 50 hr 100 sr 20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 130] [:ra 240] I'm the newer voice of Holly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm picking something up. It's another ship. Its name is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deck
>>>>>>>>> Talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something very close. They have been conducting an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on us all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. That would explain why we've been saying all these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> silly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knew I was having trouble finding a record of any voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calibration office on Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <_corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:02 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Jayson,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will do that. Could you suggest some sample sentences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synthesize?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're trying to find a way to put a "demo play" button on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enable website so people can type in any text they'd like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hear, but our programmer hasn't been able to spend time on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> project right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <_ratguy at insightbb.com_ (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any audio samples you could share? Maybe I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elaborate on what people don't like. I pretty much know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 sounds like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <_corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i meant - i can't hear the differences, not being so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attuned
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the various DT versions. i can hear ok, but i'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the differences in quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <_ratguy at insightbb.com_ (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wo, you actually got 4.3 working with SAPI? What kind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality problems are there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <_corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still waiting for one of the "old" (not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chronologically,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just in terms of contact with DT) to send some more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 and 4.67 work in SAPI fine but preliminary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results indicate dissatisfaction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <_ratguy at insightbb.com_ (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com) >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, it's broken record time. Anything new going on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SAPI DECtalk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't heard anything in a while.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> _http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk_
>>>>>>>>> (http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> _DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com)
>>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> DECtalk mailing list
>>>>>>>>> DECtalk at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>>>> http://bluegrasspals.com/mailman/listinfo/dectalk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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