[DECtalk] Any news?

Thu May 5 15:17:19 EDT 2011

that makes sense. 

On May 5, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Raymond Grote wrote:

> Yep, I do agree with you there. But only a few voices are usable, and the 
> rest are plain horrible. The average user isn't going to know all the work 
> that goes into voice design. So, if they want to use a voice that sounds 
> absolutely horrible, they'll trash the thing, not realizing the work that 
> went into converting the synth to Sapi 5 in the first place.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brandon Misch" <bmisch2002 at gmail.com>
> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
> 
> 
>> i'm sure it will work and stuff will be improved like i said for a screen 
>> reader voice it sounds ok. kind of sounds like Mobile speak on cell 
>> phones.
>> 
>> On May 5, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Raymond Grote wrote:
>> 
>>> Good idea.
>>> I just wish we could all have confidence and get into the mind set that
>>> there is another way and that it may just happen one of these days.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 6:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The programmers working on the SAPI version should be left out of our
>>> further discussions of what is wanted of DECtalk. Pls do not mention
>>> them again. The issue is closed.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:59 AM,  <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> The problem is, Blake and I have done that. We sent a sample of version
>>>> 4.40 to the head programmer to show how things should sound. We got an
>>>> e-mail back saying our version sounded corrupted. This person actually
>>>> said
>>>> that Whispering Wendy shouldn't be whispering. Hello, why does this 
>>>> person
>>>> think the name is "Whispering Wendy"?
>>>> 
>>>> It is totally clear to Blake and I that this person doesn't know 
>>>> Dectalk.
>>>> And if version 4.40 is viewed as corrupted, there is no hope if getting
>>>> anything right.
>>>> 
>>>> So because of this, I'm hoping the project gets scrapped because this is
>>>> becoming in insult to Dennis Klatt.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>> 
>>>> In a message dated 5/5/2011 12:31:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> bmisch2002 at gmail.com writes:
>>>> 
>>>> maybe you should send the demo file over to the guys so they could hear
>>>> that
>>>> and how the other voices sound.
>>>> 
>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I wouldn't give up just yet. All they need to do is convince this guy
>>>>> that he's wrong and there is a huge, huge difference in this version
>>>>> and the real 4.3 version. This new stuff reminds me of a early age
>>>>> FonixTalk or something with a lot of excess nasal tones.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alex
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/4/11, johnnybrl at gmail.com <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Well, since it looks like there won't be a Sapi Dectalk, guess it's 
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> look at Neospeech voices or ivona voices. It's too bad the head
>>>>>> programer
>>>>>> can't tell the difference between the Dectalk 4.6 and Dectalk 4.3
>>>>>> versions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> O well, was really looking forward to a Sapi version of Dectalk.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Blake Roberts" <beroberts at hughes.net>
>>>>>> To: "'DECtalk Discussions'" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 2:06 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks Alex for being the latest list member to point out need for
>>>>>>> improvement. I agree with you that there are clipping/ drop-out 
>>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>> Additionally, I agree the SAPI Dectalk referred to as 4.3 is unlike 
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> version of Dectalk I have ever heard. I, too, am unwilling to give up
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> SAPI Dectalk.
>>>>>>> Blake
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Alex H.
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:59 PM
>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just heard the demo, and.... Well, I agree with Snoopi, it's 
>>>>>>> terrible.
>>>>>>> I don't know who was telling you that nothing's wrong, but this 
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> sound even remotely like any DECTalk version I've heard.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That being said, the Huge Harry voice is kinda cool, but yeah there's
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> issues with clipping and dropouts in the voices, especially with 
>>>>>>> Ursula
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Rita.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't think we should give up quite yet though, good things come to
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> who wait. Giving up on this would mean that I and other users of NVDA
>>>>>>> wouldn't be able to enjoy DECTalk's great speech.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/4/11, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> One clarification. From what I understand, Enable didn't purchase 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> rights to any DECtalk version. They only have the right to sell, not
>>>>>>>> full copyright. As I understand it, the copyright of DECtalk is 
>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>> held by Fonix. I could be wrong though, I'm no lawyer.
>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Brandon Misch" <bmisch2002 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:28 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> it also was 4.6.7 at one time. i doubt this project will please
>>>>>>>> everyone.
>>>>>>>> all we know is enable rehab purchased the wrights to 4.6.7 from 
>>>>>>>> fonix
>>>>>>>> and trying to use that with the 4.3 data files wasn't a good idea.
>>>>>>>> question is did this happen with other versions of dectalk? or just
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> this version?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Raymond Grote wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Yes, but many people miss the old dectalk 4.3 days. I really never
>>>>>>>>> got into dectalk, but I can see why. That version of the synth and 
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> stilll do
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> have a special place together even though I was never a regular
>>>>>>>>> dectalk user. The major disappointment for many of us is it doesn't
>>>>>>>>> sound like that, it's worse, and to some of us it is unusable. From
>>>>>>>>> my understanding,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> someone had posted that the synth was supposed to sound like 4.6.4,
>>>>>>>>> then somewhere along the line it was changed to 4.3?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:21 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> if this was fixed up, it could still be used as a sapi 5 synth.
>>>>>>>>> that's all
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> it needs for it to be a screen reader voice.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:13 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> cool just heard the demo. And yes it doesn't sound like 4.3 but 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Paul voice sounds pretty cool.
>>>>>>>>>> And Frank doesn't sound too bad either. It kind of reminds me of
>>>>>>>>>> the fonix talk demo. sounds almost like that.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> And it sounds like this version of dectalk has more inflection 
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 did, which I like. I like lots of inflection in synthes, makes
>>>>>>>>>> them sound
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> cool lol.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Back in high school, we had a computer with Jaws with a Dectalk
>>>>>>>>>> express hooked up to it, and I used to go in there and make 
>>>>>>>>>> Dectalk
>>>>>>>>>> say things lol.
>>>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> if you read below our messages, you'll see a link to a file with 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> inside. if you just want to use paul and a few others, it works 
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> not for all voices.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:45 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> hi, where did you guys get the audio samples of the sapi dectalk
>>>>>>>>>>> from?
>>>>>>>>>>> sounds like you guys have already heard it.
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:37 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ok some of the voices work while others don't. i can see what you
>>>>>>>>>>> meant by bad quality.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Dectalk at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The above link is the sample that people wanted. Blake and I are
>>>>>>>>>>>> both told that there is no problem. Tell that to our ears.
>>>>>>>>>>>> (YUCK)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 11:16:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>>>>>> edbruckert at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>> All that means is what you are sent is not acceptable don't 
>>>>>>>>>>>> worry
>>>>>>>>>>>> it'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> be solved I promise at this point in my life I need it as much 
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody else
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM, <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brace yourselves because I don't think you guys will like it. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> worst voice is Kit. I'd do the recording for you guys but I
>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't want to be linked with this pour Dectalk quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have
>>>>>>> fun guys.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 9:10:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>>>>>>>> ratguy at insightbb.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a sample text. I assume you can use DECtalk commands in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> text? An
>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3 of the 4.3 speak application performing this exact text can 
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> found at
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now here's the text.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:phoneme on]
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello. This is the factory default Paul voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking now with this voice since this is what most people 
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> probably going to be using. Let's speed it up a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:ra 300]
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is probably how Jayson's JFW would talk normally. Now let's
>>>>>>>>>>>> put some intonation in there.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:dv pr 250] [:dv sr 50]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, this is how Jayson used to listen to DECtalk back in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> good old
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS
>>>>>>>>>>>> days. With 4.3 and earlier, if you could get used to this which
>>>>>>>>>>>> you would over time, this sounds pretty good! It'd take some
>>>>>>>>>>>> getting used to again, not having had it for so long.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>>>>>>>> The rest of this demo was created a few months ago to compair 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> test the various other factory voices and several custom voices 
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> different DECtalk versions.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will now test the other voices.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nb] I'm Beautiful Betty, the default female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nh] I'm Huge Harry.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] I'm Doctor Dennis.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] I'm Frail Frank.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] I'm Uppity Ursula.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nr] I'm Rough Rita.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nw] I'm Whispering Wendy.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nk] and I'm Kit the Kid.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I'll let the DECtalk manual describe us.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] Perfect Paul Standard male voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nb] Beautiful Betty Standard female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nh] Huge Harry Deep male voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] Frail Frank Older male voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nk] Kit the Kid Child's voice (about 10 years
>>>>>>>>>>>> old).
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nr] Rough Rita Deep female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] Uppity Ursula Light female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] Doctor Dennis Breathy male voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nw] Whispering Wendy Whispery female voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, let's test a few custom voices.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:dv br 0 la 0 sr 100 hr 100 ap 150 pr 95] [:ra 220] This 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> the voice of Rimmer from Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lister, we are being tested! I don't know what to do!
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nf] [:ra 240] [:dv br 0 hs 95 ap 100 as 100 pr 220 hr 30 sr 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 30]
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is Lister.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rimmer! Come over here and help me with this new speech
>>>>>>>>>>>> synthesizer!
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 sm 0 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 220]
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is Holly.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is an important announcement. All persons aboard this ship
>>>>>>>>>>>> are to report to the voice calibration office at once. That is
>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv br 100 lx 100 bf 100 hr 100 sr 100 as 100 qu 100 ap 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 110
>>>>>>>>>>>> pr 150 sx
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 la 0] [:ra 210] This is the voice of the toaster.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where this voice calibration office is. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> want some toast?
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:np] [:dv sm 1 hs 90 br 0 ri 0 la 0] [:ra 250] I'm the cat.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who says my voice needs to be calibrated? I want fishies!
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nd] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220] I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> Queeg 500.
>>>>>>>>>>>> None of you have any credit, so you may not use the voice
>>>>>>>>>>>> calibrator.
>>>>>>>>>>>> [:nu] [:dv as 1 bf 10 la 30 nf 10 ri 100 sm 50 hr 100 sr 20 ap
>>>>>>>>>>>> 130] [:ra 240] I'm the newer voice of Holly.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm picking something up. It's another ship. Its name is Deck 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> or something very close. They have been conducting an experiment
>>>>>>>>>>>> on us all
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> time. That would explain why we've been saying all these silly
>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> knew I was having trouble finding a record of any voice
>>>>>>>>>>>> calibration office on Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:02 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Jayson,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will do that. Could you suggest some sample sentences to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> synthesize?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're trying to find a way to put a "demo play" button on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enable website so people can type in any text they'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hear, but our programmer hasn't been able to spend time on that
>>>>>>> project right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any audio samples you could share? Maybe I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elaborate on what people don't like. I pretty much know what 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 sounds like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i meant - i can't hear the differences, not being so attuned 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the various DT versions. i can hear ok, but i'm not clear on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the differences in quality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wo, you actually got 4.3 working with SAPI? What kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quality problems are there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still waiting for one of the "old" (not chronologically,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just in terms of contact with DT) to send some more 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 and 4.67 work in SAPI fine but preliminary listening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results indicate dissatisfaction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, it's broken record time. Anything new going on with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SAPI DECtalk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't heard anything in a while.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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