[DECtalk] Any news?
Brandon Misch
bmisch2002 at gmail.com
Wed May 4 20:42:35 EDT 2011
i agree with you guys. we shouldn't give up on dectalk just yet. it's probably better than how it was a month ago. at least some of the voices work.
On May 4, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Blake Roberts wrote:
> Thanks Alex for being the latest list member to point out need for
> improvement. I agree with you that there are clipping/ drop-out issues.
> Additionally, I agree the SAPI Dectalk referred to as 4.3 is unlike any
> version of Dectalk I have ever heard. I, too, am unwilling to give up on
> SAPI Dectalk.
> Blake
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com
> [mailto:dectalk-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Alex H.
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:59 PM
> To: DECtalk Discussions
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>
> Just heard the demo, and.... Well, I agree with Snoopi, it's terrible.
> I don't know who was telling you that nothing's wrong, but this doesn't
> sound even remotely like any DECTalk version I've heard.
>
> That being said, the Huge Harry voice is kinda cool, but yeah there's some
> issues with clipping and dropouts in the voices, especially with Ursula and
> Rita.
>
> I don't think we should give up quite yet though, good things come to those
> who wait. Giving up on this would mean that I and other users of NVDA
> wouldn't be able to enjoy DECTalk's great speech.
>
>
> Alex
>
> On 5/4/11, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> One clarification. From what I understand, Enable didn't purchase the
>> rights to any DECtalk version. They only have the right to sell, not
>> full copyright. As I understand it, the copyright of DECtalk is still
>> held by Fonix. I could be wrong though, I'm no lawyer.
>> Jayson
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brandon Misch" <bmisch2002 at gmail.com>
>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 4:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>
>>
>> it also was 4.6.7 at one time. i doubt this project will please everyone.
>> all we know is enable rehab purchased the wrights to 4.6.7 from fonix
>> and trying to use that with the 4.3 data files wasn't a good idea.
>> question is did this happen with other versions of dectalk? or just with
> this version?
>>
>> On May 4, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Raymond Grote wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, but many people miss the old dectalk 4.3 days. I really never
>>> got into dectalk, but I can see why. That version of the synth and I
>>> stilll do
>>>
>>> have a special place together even though I was never a regular
>>> dectalk user. The major disappointment for many of us is it doesn't
>>> sound like that, it's worse, and to some of us it is unusable. From
>>> my understanding,
>>>
>>> someone had posted that the synth was supposed to sound like 4.6.4,
>>> then somewhere along the line it was changed to 4.3?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>
>>> if this was fixed up, it could still be used as a sapi 5 synth.
>>> that's all
>>>
>>> it needs for it to be a screen reader voice.
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2011, at 1:13 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> cool just heard the demo. And yes it doesn't sound like 4.3 but the
>>>> Paul voice sounds pretty cool.
>>>> And Frank doesn't sound too bad either. It kind of reminds me of
>>>> the fonix talk demo. sounds almost like that.
>>>>
>>>> And it sounds like this version of dectalk has more inflection than
>>>> 4.3 did, which I like. I like lots of inflection in synthes, makes
>>>> them sound
>>>>
>>>> cool lol.
>>>>
>>>> Back in high school, we had a computer with Jaws with a Dectalk
>>>> express hooked up to it, and I used to go in there and make Dectalk
>>>> say things lol.
>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:52 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>
>>>> if you read below our messages, you'll see a link to a file with the
>>>> demo
>>>>
>>>> inside. if you just want to use paul and a few others, it works but
>>>> not for all voices.
>>>>
>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:45 PM, <johnnybrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi, where did you guys get the audio samples of the sapi dectalk from?
>>>>> sounds like you guys have already heard it.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Brandon Misch
>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 9:37 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>
>>>>> ok some of the voices work while others don't. i can see what you
>>>>> meant by bad quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Dectalk at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://pastorsnoopi.twigs76.com/music/SAPI%20DEMO.mp3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above link is the sample that people wanted. Blake and I are
>>>>>> both told that there is no problem. Tell that to our ears.
>>>>>> (YUCK)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 11:16:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>> edbruckert at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>> All that means is what you are sent is not acceptable don't worry
>>>>>> it'll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> be solved I promise at this point in my life I need it as much as
>>>>>> anybody else
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:48 AM, <Dectalk at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Brace yourselves because I don't think you guys will like it. The
>>>>>> very
>>>>>>
>>>>>> worst voice is Kit. I'd do the recording for you guys but I
>>>>>> really don't want to be linked with this pour Dectalk quality. Have
> fun guys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a message dated 5/4/2011 9:10:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>>> ratguy at insightbb.com writes:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a sample text. I assume you can use DECtalk commands in the
>>>>>> text? An
>>>>>> MP3 of the 4.3 speak application performing this exact text can be
>>>>>> found at
>>>>>> http://www.bluegrasspals.com/dt43sample.mp3
>>>>>> Now here's the text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [:phoneme on]
>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>> Hello. This is the factory default Paul voice.
>>>>>> I'm talking now with this voice since this is what most people are
>>>>>> probably going to be using. Let's speed it up a bit.
>>>>>> [:ra 300]
>>>>>> This is probably how Jayson's JFW would talk normally. Now let's
>>>>>> put some intonation in there.
>>>>>> [:dv pr 250] [:dv sr 50]
>>>>>> Okay, this is how Jayson used to listen to DECtalk back in the
>>>>>> good old
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DOS
>>>>>> days. With 4.3 and earlier, if you could get used to this which
>>>>>> you would over time, this sounds pretty good! It'd take some
>>>>>> getting used to again, not having had it for so long.
>>>>>> [:np] [:ra 250]
>>>>>> The rest of this demo was created a few months ago to compair and
>>>>>> test the various other factory voices and several custom voices in
>>>>>> different DECtalk versions.
>>>>>> I will now test the other voices.
>>>>>> [:nb] I'm Beautiful Betty, the default female voice.
>>>>>> [:nh] I'm Huge Harry.
>>>>>> [:nd] I'm Doctor Dennis.
>>>>>> [:nf] I'm Frail Frank.
>>>>>> [:nu] I'm Uppity Ursula.
>>>>>> [:nr] I'm Rough Rita.
>>>>>> [:nw] I'm Whispering Wendy.
>>>>>> [:nk] and I'm Kit the Kid.
>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>> Now I'll let the DECtalk manual describe us.
>>>>>> [:np] Perfect Paul Standard male voice.
>>>>>> [:nb] Beautiful Betty Standard female voice.
>>>>>> [:nh] Huge Harry Deep male voice.
>>>>>> [:nf] Frail Frank Older male voice.
>>>>>> [:nk] Kit the Kid Child's voice (about 10 years
>>>>>> old).
>>>>>> [:nr] Rough Rita Deep female voice.
>>>>>> [:nu] Uppity Ursula Light female voice.
>>>>>> [:nd] Doctor Dennis Breathy male voice.
>>>>>> [:nw] Whispering Wendy Whispery female voice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [:np]
>>>>>> Okay, let's test a few custom voices.
>>>>>> [:nf] [:dv br 0 la 0 sr 100 hr 100 ap 150 pr 95] [:ra 220] This is
>>>>>> the voice of Rimmer from Red Dwarf.
>>>>>> Lister, we are being tested! I don't know what to do!
>>>>>> [:nf] [:ra 240] [:dv br 0 hs 95 ap 100 as 100 pr 220 hr 30 sr 30]
>>>>>> This is Lister.
>>>>>> Rimmer! Come over here and help me with this new speech synthesizer!
>>>>>> [:np] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 sm 0 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220]
>>>>>> This is Holly.
>>>>>> This is an important announcement. All persons aboard this ship
>>>>>> are to report to the voice calibration office at once. That is all.
>>>>>> [:np] [:dv br 100 lx 100 bf 100 hr 100 sr 100 as 100 qu 100 ap 110
>>>>>> pr 150 sx
>>>>>> 1 la 0] [:ra 210] This is the voice of the toaster.
>>>>>> I don't know where this voice calibration office is. Does anyone
>>>>>> want some toast?
>>>>>> [:np] [:dv sm 1 hs 90 br 0 ri 0 la 0] [:ra 250] I'm the cat.
>>>>>> Who says my voice needs to be calibrated? I want fishies!
>>>>>> [:nd] [:dv as 0 bf 0 la 20 nf 00 ri 100 hr 0 sr 0] [:ra 220] I'm
>>>>>> Queeg 500.
>>>>>> None of you have any credit, so you may not use the voice calibrator.
>>>>>> [:nu] [:dv as 1 bf 10 la 30 nf 10 ri 100 sm 50 hr 100 sr 20 ap
>>>>>> 130] [:ra 240] I'm the newer voice of Holly.
>>>>>> I'm picking something up. It's another ship. Its name is Deck Talk
>>>>>> or something very close. They have been conducting an experiment
>>>>>> on us all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> time. That would explain why we've been saying all these silly things.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> knew I was having trouble finding a record of any voice
>>>>>> calibration office on Red Dwarf.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:02 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI Jayson,
>>>>>>> I will do that. Could you suggest some sample sentences to
>>>>>>> synthesize?
>>>>>>> We're trying to find a way to put a "demo play" button on the
>>>>>>> Enable website so people can type in any text they'd like to
>>>>>>> hear, but our programmer hasn't been able to spend time on that
> project right now.
>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Do you have any audio samples you could share? Maybe I could
>>>>>>>> elaborate on what people don't like. I pretty much know what DT
>>>>>>>> 4.3 sounds like.
>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:53 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i meant - i can't hear the differences, not being so attuned to
>>>>>>>>> the various DT versions. i can hear ok, but i'm not clear on
>>>>>>>>> the differences in quality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wo, you actually got 4.3 working with SAPI? What kind of
>>>>>>>>>> quality problems are there?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Any news?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Still waiting for one of the "old" (not chronologically,
>>>>>>>>>>> just in terms of contact with DT) to send some more versions
>>>>>>>>>>> for testing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 and 4.67 work in SAPI fine but preliminary listening
>>>>>>>>>>> results indicate dissatisfaction.
>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Jayson Smith
>>>>>>>>>>> <ratguy at insightbb.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, it's broken record time. Anything new going on with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the SAPI DECtalk?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't heard anything in a while.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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