[DECtalk] TEST

Dectalk at aol.com Dectalk at aol.com
Tue Jun 28 16:23:51 EDT 2011


Thank you thank you!  I wanted 6 thank yous but  people might think their 
readers were stuck.
 
I'm attaching a song that will be on my upcoming CD  that will be released 
at the end of July.  It's a Lady Gaga song that I  changed the words to.  
I'm getting better all the time.  My dream  someday is album of the year.  
That's why I'll do whatever it takes to keep  the singing.  I can't thank you 
enough.
 
 
SNOOPI BOTTEN 
 
 
In a message dated 6/28/2011 3:58:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
edbruckert at gmail.com writes:

May repeat, it will sing. I know how important this thing is, to me  also.
 
For history out there, my involvement with DECtalk began when Dennis  
played me a tape recording of what he had done and asked me if I was  interested 
in doing something with it. I have been the chief engineer of  DECtalk ever 
since that day in 1981 until my retirement due to vision and  cardiac 
issues, starting with my boss and I running around with a tin cup  trying to get 
money to start something.
I just thought of something, there is one incompatibility between old  
versions and the new, someone could simply write a script to convert the  files, 
because I'm afraid to touch the parser or fear breaking it. In computer  
terms DECtalk could not reliably process the original phoneme set because we  
had both an L and an LL phoneme, so L was changed to L ask and why was 
changed  to yx for similar reasons.


On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:46 PM, <_Dectalk at aol.com_ 
(mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) > wrote:


Thank you Ed.  Just so you know, Corine was  the one that told me they were 
using Klattalk default settings.  Then  she wanted to name it "Dectalk 
Classic".
 
Here is my own opinion.  If this SAPI sings  and only if it sings, then put 
it out.  Maybe I'm out of line, but I  have worked with Dectalk since 1989, 
I was instrumental in Corine even  trying to create a SAPI, and if I am 
going to be a part of doing the  dictionary, I want it to sing!
 
Yes I sing with it, but I'm not the only  one.  And if it doesn't sing, 
please don't ask me to do the  dictionary.  How can you cut off a part of who I 
am and then want my  help?  I can't, and it's not right for anyone to 
expect me  to.
 
If the SAPI won't sing, please put it to  rest.  Too many people have 
gotten awards for what they have done with  Dectalk.  I alone have gotten the Da 
Vinci Award.  This is all  thanks to Dennis Klatt.  If there is ever a 
museum of Dennis's work, I  dream of having my CDs in that museum because people 
like me are an end  result of his fine dream.
 
Kill the singing, you kill the legacy, not only  for today, but for all 
futures generations.  And, I won't be able to do  more CDs.  Yes, today I have 
the speak Window, but what about  tomorrow.  If vu take away my music, you 
are telling me and others like  me to go away.
 
I'm sorry, but as cold as this sounds, if this  SAPI won't sing, please go 
away.  I believe in my heart that Dennis  would want this to sing.  I sing 
with it every day of my life, I give  concerts, I am his dream.  I went past 
anything  he ever dreamed  of and I have raised the bar.  Take away the 
singing, and you take away  the bar and  the dreams for the next generation.  
Nothing on Earth  is colder than that.
 
 
SNOOPI BOTTEN 
 

 

 
In a message dated 6/28/2011 2:37:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
_edbruckert at gmail.com_ (mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com)  writes:

OK guys enough. I am a little tired of the misinformation and  confusion 
and blaming going on. What careens money has done really is get  this SAPI 
portion working. I'm trying to get some old DLLs working. I do  not get any 
monetary compensation so I can't have any evil intent as you  purport to other 
people. You mentioned putting it old klatttalk setttings,  which by the way 
there aren't any. The synthesizer Digital Equipment  Corporation received 
from Dennis was incomplete. It had only the pH files  for handling phonemic 
input and the vocal tract model, it did not even  have letter to sound rules 
which were functional. As a point of interest  historically 4.3 was one of 
the favorite versions and it was done by me as  Dennis was dead. Singing – the 
code for singing is the same as it was when  Dennis finished it with one 
exception. The original version used a physics  music scale which turns out to 
be slightly different than the musicians  music scale. Other than that the 
singing code has never changed, except  for enhanced version of singing 
which was done on a special Hebrew  cantering product. There is a danger clearly 
expressed in the manual that  if you muck around with parameters especially 
gain parameters things can  get strange and these are version specific 
because to achieve maximum  quality a long program was run to calculate each 
filter gain in the vocal  track for every single voice. The incompatibility 
results from a  mathematical issue not anything else. Due to platform 
restrictions we  weren't able to go to a floating point calculation which would've 
solved  all these problems.
I am slow because I'm almost blind myself but I said a long time ago  that 
it was my goal to make sure you hit a DECtalk it was reasonable not  
identical. I say this because I sat there with 4.3 code in front of me  comparing 
it to the code I was working on including pitch tracks and other  
measurements and just plain looking at the code and although they were  very very close 
people preferred what they've gotten used to. Many of the  changes that 
occurred were a result of Microsoft constantly changing  things it was 
impossible for many different reasons for the original code  to be compiled and 
there are also reasons why it was very difficult to  determine what the code 
actually did and what it was supposed to do. There  were many instances where 
the code obviously didn't do what Dennis's  comments said it was supposed to 
do other things were even legal C  constructs in that you could not tell how 
the compiler would handle the  ambiguous statements.
         I've been laying  back waiting for some of the smoke and dust to 
settle Now my real question  is should I get to work or should I go away. The 
detailed issues are more  complicated than either of Corine her any of you 
really know. I had   programmers leave because they found the complexity of 
the whole darn  thing to intimidating.
As a tiny example, if a data entry error is made in the locus data,  that 
can create a significant problem causing the synthesizer to squeal  forever 
and yet be incredibly difficult to find. 
      His forests beat goes it's really just  a program to shovel stuff to 
DECtalk so it can be posted anywhere it was  an example of how to talk to 
DECtalk. Like everything else the value is  not in speak but is in the 
knowledge of how to program it for singing. And  it's only useful if you happen to 
have a DECtalk already is the DECtalk  DLL cannot be distributed freely and 
speak doesn't talk sappy it only  talks to eight DECtalk. It uses the 
DECtalk application interface, sapi is  simply a mapping of a universally defined 
set of commands for Windows into  device specific commands. So if people 
want I can send out some samples of  something I've worked on following normal 
procedures we only work on one  voice until we were ready to release because 
of the tuning  issues.


On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:33 PM, <_Dectalk at aol.com_ 
(mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) > wrote:


Ok, and I just got an email from Corine who  still doesn't get it.  She's 
saying that if anyone wants to sing  using Dectalk, she's sending everyone to 
me for a free speak  window.
 
Uh, there's already an updated version of  Windows 7 that the speak window 
won't run on.  What happens when a  future Windows doesn't include virtual 
XP?  What if everything  switches to a droid platform?  I already can't get 
speak running on  certain computers.
 
Who do I call when I can't get the speak  window working for people?  This 
is not fare to  me.
 
 
SNOOPI BOTTEN 
 

 

 
In a message dated 6/28/2011 1:18:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
_ratguy at insightbb.com_ (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com)  writes:

Hi,

I actually wasn't responding to that last  message, but that's the one I 
hit 
reply to. I was actually  responding to your thought yesterday that you 
might 
have been  removed from the list for your earlier comments. That's not 
going  
to happen.
Jayson

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  <_Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) >
To: <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
Sent: Tuesday, June  28, 2011 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] TEST


> You  miss understood me.  I'm not concerned about  being removed  from the
> list.  Corine in no way wants anyone to see  the  prototype.  So I was 
> saying,
> the link  to the prototype will only work until  Corine tells Dave to 
take  
> it
> down.  Or, the site my   crash.
>
>
> SNOOPI BOTTEN
>
>
>  In a message dated 6/28/2011 11:10:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,
> _ratguy at insightbb.com_ (mailto:ratguy at insightbb.com)  writes:
>
>  Hi,
>
> Let me just repeat something after all this  discussion.  Snoopi, you are
> not
> being removed  from this list. I am the only person on  Earth with the
>  authority to remove people from this list or do any other   
administrative
> job. And as far as I'm concerned, this whole  discussion is  valuable.
> Nobody
> will be removed  from this list for anything they said or  may say on this
>  topic.
>
> I want to state something else too. As I  see  it, there are several 
> schools
> of DECtalk  users and fans. There are some  who like the DECtalk speech  
and
> probably would use it with their screen  reader if  they could, or maybe 
> use
> it along with a text to MP3  program  such as Text Aloud, but don't have 
> any
>  other more elaborate use for it.  Then there are those who think  it's 
cool
> that DECtalk can sing and do all  this neat  stuff and enjoy listening to
> others' creations, but don't have  a  clue how to actually make DECtalk do
> any
> of  those things. Then there are  probably several classes of more  
advanced
> DECtalk users who, at the high  end, could  probably transcribe arbitrary
> text
> into phonemes in  their  sleep. These are the people making the elaborate
>  DECtalk songs and skits.  And finally, there are the users  with
> disabilities
> requiring them to use  DECtalk  to speak and/or sing. These users almost
> certainly fit into  all  the previous classes of users I've discussed. I 
>  fit
> somewhere in the third  class of users, the more  advanced DECtalkists. So
> as
> you can see, this   SAPI is obviously targeted toward the more basic user,
>  who
> just wants to  use it with their screen reader or  other SAPI-enabled
> applications,  nothing  more.
>
> Regarding the Speak windows, yes it's true that  new  hardware and new
> operating systems might come along  under which the Speak  windows won't
> run.
>  However, all is not truly lost even then. As long as,  say, a  virtual
> machine
> running XP can run under whatever  native  hardware/OS is being used, 
Speak
> can then be run  under that. Not the most  ideal solution I do admit, but
>  still, it's better than nothing.
>
> I  personally  would like to see the SAPI provide all DECtalk's features,
>  but
> it's clear to me that, for whatever reason, that's not  going to  happen.
> Jayson
>
> ----- Original  Message ----- 
> From:  <_Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) >
> To: <_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ (mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) >
> Sent:   Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [DECtalk]  TEST
>
>
>>  __http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/__ 
(http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/_) 
>>   (_http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/_ 
(http://davesvideoservicesco.startlogic.com/test2/) )
>>
>>  Ok, we  have an unstable prototype that keeps   crashing.  I'm forcing
> Dave
>> to keep it up  until Corine tells him to remove  it.  It  talks, but  I
>> haven't
>> been able to get it to say  anything  this  morning.
>>
>> Basically  the plan is to reset it to  Klattalk settings  but call  it
>> Dectalk
>> Classic.   And, it won't  sing.
>>
>>
>> SNOOPI   BOTTEN
>>
>>
>> In a message dated  6/28/2011 8:42:05 A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
>> _bmisch2002 at gmail.com_ (mailto:bmisch2002 at gmail.com)  writes:
>>
>>  so  how  is that version coming along and are the other  languages going
> to
>> be included  or just us  english?
>>
>>
>> On  Jun 27, 2011, at  6:33 PM, FRIDO ORDEMANN   wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  There are other users of  DECtalk than those who use  it for  singing.
>>
>>
>>   ____________________________________
>> From:  "_Dectalk at aol.com_  (mailto:_Dectalk at aol.com_ 
(mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) ) "  <_Dectalk at aol.com_
>>  (mailto:_Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) ) >
>> To:  _dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_  (mailto:_dectalk at bluegrasspals.com_ 
(mailto:dectalk at bluegrasspals.com) )
>> Sent: Mon,  June 27, 2011  2:10:43  PM
>> Subject: Re:  [DECtalk]  TEST
>>
>>  Actually I was  scared I was  removed for exploding on the list last
>  night.
>> I also find it odd that  Corine never  apologized for her  misleading 
>> post.
>> I'm  still in total  shock at how her post was  worded.  And  to post 
that
> on
>> the list when we  all have  a  speak window or other form of Dectalk.
>  Heck,
>> if
>> I did  have  a singing  SAPI, why would anyone buy her non-singing
>  version?
>>
>> That post just totally made no   sense to  me.  I still feel bad about my
>>  response, but I was and  still  am  angry.
>>
>>
>> SNOOPI    BOTTEN
>>
>>
>> In a message dated  6/27/2011 1:22:03 P.M.  Eastern  Daylight Time,
>>  _linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com_  (mailto:_linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com_ 
(mailto:linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com) )  writes:
>>
>> Your  message  came through.  It's all good.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On  6/27/2011  12:58  PM, _Dectalk at aol.com_ (mailto:_Dectalk at aol.com_ 
(mailto:Dectalk at aol.com) )
> wrote:
>> My mail  got too full, so I'm just making sure  everything  is  ok.
>>
>>
>> SNOOPI  BOTTEN
>>
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