[DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting DECTalkAccess32 working w/ JFW

Michael Hansen amtk62 at gmail.com
Fri Jun 3 06:16:40 EDT 2011


Hi Alex,

Thanks for the info!

Michael

On 6/2/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> The speech from 4.4 is a bit more like the speak demos of 4.3 and 4.4,
> more classic sounding I guess is the right word. It's not a huge
> difference, just a bit of different intonation.
>
> Alex
>
> On 6/2/2011 11:44 PM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>> Thanks, Alex.  Is the spech much diferent in 4.4 than in 4.6, just
>> wondering?
>>
>> On 6/2/11, Alex H.<linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I tested with 4.6, it works on my XP machine. Honestly, the way JAWS
>>> is so quirky with this support of DECTalk it might just not work
>>> unless you do the good old rename trick.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On 6/2/11, Alex H.<linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I've got Dectalk access32 4.4, the standalone version GW micro used to
>>>> sell. For me I just had to make sure that gwdec32.exe is running. It
>>>> might be different for 4.6 though, as that version has DECTalk running
>>>> as a service.
>>>> I'll do some digging and write back when I find something out.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/11, Michael Hansen<amtk62 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>> Hi Alex,
>>>>>
>>>>> Great find there!  However, when I tried entering that into the run
>>>>> dialog and starting JAWS with Eloquence as my default profile, then
>>>>> switching over to the DECtalk profile...I still got Eloquence.  Any
>>>>> thoughts on what I might be doing wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/11, Raymond Grote<musicalman1 at comcast.net>  wrote:
>>>>>> You never know. They might decide to drop it. Wouldn't surprise me if
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> did drop it in a few years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Alex H."<linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions"<dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 5:41 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting
>>>>>> DECTalkAccess32 working w/ JFW
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did sometime last week, got the "not supported anymore but we will
>>>>>>> just keep it around" response. So, looks like DT's not going away in
>>>>>>> JAWS, but just not going to be updated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/2/11, Brandon Misch<bmisch2002 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> has anyone else emailed them about this? would be nice if it was
>>>>>>>> fixed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've found some more cool stuff/bugs in JAWS support for DECTalk
>>>>>>>>> access32.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you don't want to rename the eloq.jls file i talked about in the
>>>>>>>>> original post, just use this from the run dialog to start JAWS.
>>>>>>>>> "c:\program files\freedom scientific\jaws\12.0\jfw.exe"
>>>>>>>>> /synth=dtsoft
>>>>>>>>> This forces JFW to load the DECTalk soft synth driver at startup.
>>>>>>>>> It'll still use Eloquence until you switch the voice profile to
>>>>>>>>> DECTalk Access32.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Instead of doing this from the run dialog, alternatively you could
>>>>>>>>> modify the JAWS desktop shortcut to do this to save time going to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> run dialog etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One nasty side effect of making JAWS load the dtsoft synth at
>>>>>>>>> startup
>>>>>>>>> is if you've already got JAWS configured to use the DECTalk
>>>>>>>>> access32
>>>>>>>>> profile as the default.  Instead of DECTalk, you'll get Eloquence
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> nice fast speed, with the pitch all the way up. Very annoying! So
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> rule is, start JAWS loading the dtsoft module, then switch to
>>>>>>>>> DECTalk
>>>>>>>>> access32 after JAWS is running with Eloquence. A right pain, and I
>>>>>>>>> wish FS would actually fix this instead of work around it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/11, Alex H.<linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jayson,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Agreed. If it were a perfect world we'd have it on all platforms,
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> they have a budget and I use Linux and Windows, and do not own any
>>>>>>>>>> Macs yet so for me Linux too would be more beneficial.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/11, Jayson Smith<ratguy at insightbb.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I, on the other hand, would much rather see the classic DECtalk
>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>> available on Linux if one other platform were to be supported. I
>>>>>>>>>>> rarely
>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>> a Mac, but when I do, I'm perfectly satisfied with the default
>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>> voice.
>>>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley"<corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions"<dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 7:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting
>>>>>>>>>>> DECTalkAccess32 working w/ JFW
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll check into the cost. We're working on a charity-enabled
>>>>>>>>>>> budget,
>>>>>>>>>>> as I don't expect to ever recover the costs we've put out so far.
>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to do what Dennis Klatt would have wanted. That's all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Pitermach<pitermach at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there aren't that many issues, so most of the sapi drivers
>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> very stable these days. This would include window-eyes, NVDA,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> dolphin's
>>>>>>>>>>>> SuperNova. Ditto for the tts to mp3 apps like text aloud and
>>>>>>>>>>>> d-speech.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience JAWS's sapi driver is very unstable and crashes
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>> after ruffly a minute of usage with a lightweight synth. And
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>> getting as much responsiveness as it could, though that's
>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't need to be worried about - it's not your problem Smile.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, after you release the windows build, do you thinkl it
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> possible to develop dectalk for mac? Apple, like microsoft has a
>>>>>>>>>>>> sapi
>>>>>>>>>>>> equivllent on mac for developping voices, which amung other
>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>> with VoiceOver, the screen reader built into MacOSX.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: FRIDO ORDEMANN
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:55 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> DECTalkAccess32 working w/ JFW
>>>>>>>>>>>> One issue I have become concerned about is possible difficulties
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>>>> of DECtalk will encounter when they have certain screen readers
>>>>>>>>>>>> installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If someone can summarize the group's experience with changing
>>>>>>>>>>>> synthesizers
>>>>>>>>>>>> or changing screen readers, I'd appreciate knowing what sorts of
>>>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>>>>> we're up against as we test out classic SAPI DECtalk. I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> release something that causes people problems when they try to
>>>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk but already have some other voices installed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alex H.<linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions<dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 12:46:58 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> DECTalk
>>>>>>>>>>>> Access32 working w/ JFW
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny you mention that, because when JAWS 11 came out, people
>>>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>>> complaining to FS and they didn't say anything about DECTalk
>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> supported back then, only that they couldn't reproduce the
>>>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right). Sounds like they're becoming lazy over there, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's probably a five line fix in some file or other and they
>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The real question is if they'll keep the existing DT Access32
>>>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>>>>>> for future versions and just not provide any tech support for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> synth? That's sort of a band-aid way of doing it, but that's
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> they'll probably do knowing FS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately if this doesn't work, we should have a classic SAPI
>>>>>>>>>>>> version of DECTalk that will be functional with any screen
>>>>>>>>>>>> reader
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> can use SAPI synths, so I'm not too worried.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/11, Michael Hansen<amtk62 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree 100%.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I talked to FS support last week, and they told me that Access
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 32
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not supported after JAWS 10. So they know about the problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently do not want to fix them. Either that or they can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/21/11, Brandon Misch<bmisch2002 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be better if fs fixed it so you wouldn't have to change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eloquence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, Alex! This is awesome! Great find!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/20/11, Alex H.<linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found a workaround to get DECTalk Access32 working with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JFW.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING WARNING WARNING: This isn't complicated, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you with no speech if you're not careful and set up another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profile or don't have NVDA to fall back on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. You should really do this with an older version of JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any installed, or use NVDA or System Access, or even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> narrator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these steps to avoid conflicts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Assuming you've already tried to have Access32 set up as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profile, just select that using insert-ctrl-s, and then the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name for DECTalk access32.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Open the start menu, Programs or All programs, Jaws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10/11/12,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Explore Program Files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Navigate to the Drivers\speech\eloq subdirectory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Rename eloq.jls to something else like "evil_eloq.jls"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alternatively, you can simply move the file to another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Reboot JAWS. You should now have DT access32 speech!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: I am not responsible for any outcome of this, use at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk. However, if something doesn't work you can always just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rename
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the file back to eloq.jls and things are good again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't tested to see if the Eloquence voice profile is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rename it back, but I don't use eloquence anyway, so...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy and good luck!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
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