[DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting DECTalkAccess32 working w/ JFW

Michael Hansen amtk62 at gmail.com
Thu Jun 2 23:44:29 EDT 2011 

Thanks, Alex.  Is the spech much diferent in 4.4 than in 4.6, just wondering?

On 6/2/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I tested with 4.6, it works on my XP machine. Honestly, the way JAWS
> is so quirky with this support of DECTalk it might just not work
> unless you do the good old rename trick.
>
> Alex
>
> On 6/2/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've got Dectalk access32 4.4, the standalone version GW micro used to
>> sell. For me I just had to make sure that gwdec32.exe is running. It
>> might be different for 4.6 though, as that version has DECTalk running
>> as a service.
>> I'll do some digging and write back when I find something out.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On 6/2/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> Great find there!  However, when I tried entering that into the run
>>> dialog and starting JAWS with Eloquence as my default profile, then
>>> switching over to the DECtalk profile...I still got Eloquence.  Any
>>> thoughts on what I might be doing wrong?
>>>
>>> On 6/2/11, Raymond Grote <musicalman1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> You never know. They might decide to drop it. Wouldn't surprise me if
>>>> they
>>>> did drop it in a few years.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 5:41 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting
>>>> DECTalkAccess32 working w/ JFW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I did sometime last week, got the "not supported anymore but we will
>>>>> just keep it around" response. So, looks like DT's not going away in
>>>>> JAWS, but just not going to be updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> has anyone else emailed them about this? would be nice if it was
>>>>>> fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Alex H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've found some more cool stuff/bugs in JAWS support for DECTalk
>>>>>>> access32.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you don't want to rename the eloq.jls file i talked about in the
>>>>>>> original post, just use this from the run dialog to start JAWS.
>>>>>>> "c:\program files\freedom scientific\jaws\12.0\jfw.exe" /synth=dtsoft
>>>>>>> This forces JFW to load the DECTalk soft synth driver at startup.
>>>>>>> It'll still use Eloquence until you switch the voice profile to
>>>>>>> DECTalk Access32.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Instead of doing this from the run dialog, alternatively you could
>>>>>>> modify the JAWS desktop shortcut to do this to save time going to the
>>>>>>> run dialog etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One nasty side effect of making JAWS load the dtsoft synth at startup
>>>>>>> is if you've already got JAWS configured to use the DECTalk access32
>>>>>>> profile as the default.  Instead of DECTalk, you'll get Eloquence at
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> nice fast speed, with the pitch all the way up. Very annoying! So the
>>>>>>> rule is, start JAWS loading the dtsoft module, then switch to DECTalk
>>>>>>> access32 after JAWS is running with Eloquence. A right pain, and I
>>>>>>> wish FS would actually fix this instead of work around it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/23/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Jayson,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed. If it were a perfect world we'd have it on all platforms,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> they have a budget and I use Linux and Windows, and do not own any
>>>>>>>> Macs yet so for me Linux too would be more beneficial.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/23/11, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I, on the other hand, would much rather see the classic DECtalk
>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> available on Linux if one other platform were to be supported. I
>>>>>>>>> rarely
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> a Mac, but when I do, I'm perfectly satisfied with the default Alex
>>>>>>>>> voice.
>>>>>>>>> Jayson
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Corine Bickley" <corine.bickley at gallaudet.edu>
>>>>>>>>> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 7:14 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting
>>>>>>>>> DECTalkAccess32 working w/ JFW
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll check into the cost. We're working on a charity-enabled
>>>>>>>>> budget,
>>>>>>>>> as I don't expect to ever recover the costs we've put out so far.
>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to do what Dennis Klatt would have wanted. That's all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Pitermach <pitermach at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Well, there aren't that many issues, so most of the sapi drivers
>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> very stable these days. This would include window-eyes, NVDA, and
>>>>>>>>>> dolphin's
>>>>>>>>>> SuperNova. Ditto for the tts to mp3 apps like text aloud and
>>>>>>>>>> d-speech.
>>>>>>>>>> In my experience JAWS's sapi driver is very unstable and crashes
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>> after ruffly a minute of usage with a lightweight synth. And it's
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> getting as much responsiveness as it could, though that's
>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> don't need to be worried about - it's not your problem Smile.
>>>>>>>>>> Also, after you release the windows build, do you thinkl it would
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> possible to develop dectalk for mac? Apple, like microsoft has a
>>>>>>>>>> sapi
>>>>>>>>>> equivllent on mac for developping voices, which amung other things
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>> with VoiceOver, the screen reader built into MacOSX.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: FRIDO ORDEMANN
>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:55 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting
>>>>>>>>>> DECTalkAccess32 working w/ JFW
>>>>>>>>>> One issue I have become concerned about is possible difficulties
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>> of DECtalk will encounter when they have certain screen readers
>>>>>>>>>> installed.
>>>>>>>>>> If someone can summarize the group's experience with changing
>>>>>>>>>> synthesizers
>>>>>>>>>> or changing screen readers, I'd appreciate knowing what sorts of
>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>>> we're up against as we test out classic SAPI DECtalk. I don't want
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> release something that causes people problems when they try to
>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>>> DECtalk but already have some other voices installed.
>>>>>>>>>> corine
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> From: Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: DECtalk Discussions <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 12:46:58 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] DECtalk Found a workaround for getting
>>>>>>>>>> DECTalk
>>>>>>>>>> Access32 working w/ JFW
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Funny you mention that, because when JAWS 11 came out, people
>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>> complaining to FS and they didn't say anything about DECTalk being
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> supported back then, only that they couldn't reproduce the problem
>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right). Sounds like they're becoming lazy over there, I mean
>>>>>>>>>> it's probably a five line fix in some file or other and they just
>>>>>>>>>> don't care.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The real question is if they'll keep the existing DT Access32
>>>>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>>>>> for future versions and just not provide any tech support for the
>>>>>>>>>> synth? That's sort of a band-aid way of doing it, but that's what
>>>>>>>>>> they'll probably do knowing FS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately if this doesn't work, we should have a classic SAPI
>>>>>>>>>> version of DECTalk that will be functional with any screen reader
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> can use SAPI synths, so I'm not too worried.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/11, Michael Hansen <amtk62 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree 100%.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I talked to FS support last week, and they told me that Access 32
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> not supported after JAWS 10. So they know about the problems and
>>>>>>>>>>> apparently do not want to fix them. Either that or they can't fix
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/21/11, Brandon Misch <bmisch2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be better if fs fixed it so you wouldn't have to change
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> eloquence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Michael Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, Alex! This is awesome! Great find!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/20/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found a workaround to get DECTalk Access32 working with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JFW.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WARNING WARNING WARNING: This isn't complicated, but it could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you with no speech if you're not careful and set up another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profile or don't have NVDA to fall back on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. You should really do this with an older version of JAWS if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any installed, or use NVDA or System Access, or even narrator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these steps to avoid conflicts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Assuming you've already tried to have Access32 set up as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profile, just select that using insert-ctrl-s, and then the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name for DECTalk access32.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Open the start menu, Programs or All programs, Jaws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10/11/12,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Explore Program Files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Navigate to the Drivers\speech\eloq subdirectory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Rename eloq.jls to something else like "evil_eloq.jls"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alternatively, you can simply move the file to another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Reboot JAWS. You should now have DT access32 speech! Worked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: I am not responsible for any outcome of this, use at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk. However, if something doesn't work you can always just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rename
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the file back to eloq.jls and things are good again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't tested to see if the Eloquence voice profile is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rename it back, but I don't use eloquence anyway, so...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy and good luck!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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