[DECtalk] List UP?
Jake McMahan
mcmahan.jake at gmail.com
Wed Aug 31 17:32:16 EDT 2011
Ed, nice. I think it is working out. As I said in a previous email, intonation can be modified by the user with a set of inline parameters, and so can pitch. That's probably the only thing I would alter, for me at least. But seriously, you're doing great man.
From: ebruckert Bruckert
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:50 PM
To: DECtalk Discussions
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] List UP?
no hints just feedback please.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Jayson Smith <ratguy at insightbb.com> wrote:
Hi,
The Val voice is still present in 4.3, so it's probably still there to this
day.
Jayson
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From: "ebruckert Bruckert" <edbruckert at gmail.com>
To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] List UP?
> Such it does never created for DECtalk, however I could certainly aid
> someone in advising them on how to make it easier. For this purpose a
> special voice was created in DECtalk called variable valve(Dennis Klatt
> liked alliteration). Since I am a totally incompetent Windows programmer
> I
> can't do it, but I will have to look in the code to see if variable valve
> still exists but it could be done anyway.
> As I said the source code for the two apps I mentioned are available to
> anyone I haven't done anything with them because of the above mentioned
> reason. The real issue would be to develop an automatic gain tuner,
> which which again could be done with some help, just to make the whole
> process easier but it certainly can and has been done purely manually.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Jitendra Kumar
> <jeet.invincible at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> someone already posted that a new speak window can be created,Hello
>> friends, I also have a suggestion too, if you remember, many of you
>> perhaps: that flextalk had an app called perhaps voice tool, that we
>> used to create new voices, however I never able to make it sing, but
>> such an app should also ship with DECTalk, so that we can create new
>> voices with more or less inflection and pitch settings, and perhaps
>> this option can be made available in the newer speak window itself,
>> and when we create new voices, DECTalk should register the voice so
>> each sapi5 app can make use of it. Thank you.
>>
>> On 8/30/11, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > No, but they just have a tendency to mess with the punctuation and
>> > sort of commandeer it to their will, not taking into account that
>> > somebody might have a clever synth like DECtalk. Anyways, I hear ya on
>> > the abreviation issue. My iPod says 25 millibars instead of 25 MB for
>> > filesizes. Or how about Windows 98 Southeast? Hahah!
>> >
>> > Alex
>> >
>> > On 8/29/11, Brent Harding <bharding at doorpi.net> wrote:
>> >> I know, the automatic expansion of abbreviations drives a person up
>> >> the
>> >> wall
>> >> trying to do critical things like medical transcription. I was
>> >> listening
>> >> to
>> >> Jonathan Mosen do a demo of some self-voicing daisy editing app that
>> >> FS
>> >> bundles with the Plextalk, and kid me not, files sizes are measured in
>> >> kerobytes. Is that what Microsoft does when you put kb next to a
>> >> number?
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Alex H." <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at bluegrasspals.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:45 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] List UP?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> Just to clarify my earlier post, life would be great if Microsoft
>> >>> didn't feel the need to muck about with how SAPI5 handles punctuation
>> >>> and I'd love a singing sapi. The reality and how MS has done this
>> >>> really makes it a royal pain, at least as far as I can tell with
>> >>> little to no programming knowledge and just reading the documentation
>> >>> on how this stuff works. The great thing if we were to have a modern
>> >>> speak window for singing and skits and the SAPI for scren reading and
>> >>> other text to speech programs is that it'll still be easy to export
>> >>> songs and skits as wave files with minimal effort and ensure that
>> >>> this
>> >>> program will run in Windows operating systems in the future.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks Ed for all the tweaking and coding that has to go into a
>> >>> project like this. It's much appreciated. Things are looking up.
>> >>>
>> >>> Aelx
>> >>>
>> >>> On 8/29/11, Jake McMahan <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> To me, I think the whole dad gum thing is extremely impressive and
>> it's
>> >>>> coming along. I am looking forward to getting my hands on this
>> >>>> thing
>> >>>> when
>> >>>> it is available, and using it in my DSpeech scripts and much more.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: ebruckert Bruckert
>> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:09 PM
>> >>>> To: DECtalk Discussions
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [DECtalk] List UP?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Okay sounds like you've done a thorough job. But I have two programs
>> say
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> command line and batch mode program and speak which are both freely
>> >>>> distributable in including source code and could certainly be
>> >>>> included
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> any distribution.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Alex H. <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Ed,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've done some digging about how to make the SAPI5 version of DT
>> sing.
>> >>>> It won't be easy to do this I'm afraid. Too many variables
>> >>>> involved,
>> >>>> and no program except ttsapp.exe will pipe the exact string you
>> >>>> send
>> >>>> to it to the SAPI5 engine. That's only part of the issue though.
>> >>>> Firstly, SAPI5, as I thought, uses some low level punctuation
>> >>>> filtering that comes even lower in the stack than things like text
>> to
>> >>>> MP3 programs, like Verbose or TextAloud, etc. Basically, the text
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> speech program (like textAloud) gets the text and adds its own
>> >>>> punctuation rules to the text and sends this to SAPI, and SAPI
>> >>>> does
>> >>>> its own filtering/changing of the text string, so the original
>> >>>> text
>> >>>> gets lost early on in the chain. There's not any real easy way
>> around
>> >>>> this I'm afraid, after a good few hours reading MSDN articles and
>> what
>> >>>> not. Even when talking about changing text to be pronounced better
>> (we
>> >>>> could use this to make DT sing), SAPI unfortunately makes its own
>> >>>> rules of phonemic definitions when you specify the proper tags
>> >>>> [3].
>> >>>> This basically means that it tries a one-size-fits-all approach
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> some synths that are SAPI compliant still won't speak the text as
>> the
>> >>>> SAPI phonemic string intends. In short, this would be a nightmare
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> implement using SAPI5. At least the way I see it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm thinking for the ease of use factor for singers, maybe the
>> >>>> best
>> >>>> idea is a SAPI dectalk installable synth that works wiht screen
>> >>>> readers, and then a speak window bundled wiht it for singing. That
>> >>>> way, nobody is messing with sapi protocols.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sources:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [1]
>> >>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms719574%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [2]
>> >>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms717252%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [3]
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://elearningtech.blogspot.com/2010/10/using-punctuation-and-mark-up-language.html
>> >>>> [4]
>> >>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms723638%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sorry for the hugely complex post, but I felt it was needed to
>> explain
>> >>>> further. As always, great work and i look forward to more testing.
>> >>>> Alex
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 8/29/11, jake mcmahan <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> > On 8/29/2011 3:07 PM, ebruckert Bruckert wrote:
>> >>>> >> These are all generated by just plopping the text into speak,
>> since
>> >>>> >> the scaling and interaction of these things has always varied
>> >>>> slightly
>> >>>> >> the the goal now is to try to adjust things the detailed stuff
>> like
>> >>>> >> little overloads for the last step.
>> >>>> >> I'm not sure if I reset Paul or left them at the custom voice
>> when
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> >> did the weather, so I'll resend the weather being sure it's
>> regular
>> >>>> >> Paul, but in fact if everybody likes the style we can modify
>> those
>> >>>> >> base parameters, as I already know that the pitch scaling is
>> >>>> slightly
>> >>>> >> different so will probably have to change the pitch things but
>> >>>> that's
>> >>>> >> the purpose of tweaking. On some of the voices that I fooled
>> around
>> >>>> >> was so much I really don't have a feel for what's better or
>> worse.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Alex H. <
>> linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> <mailto:linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Hi,
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> First, excellent job! The custom Paul voice in the weather
>> file
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> >> great. It has a lot of inflection and sounds like 4.4,
>> >>>> which
>> is
>> >>>> pretty
>> >>>> >> impressive. The test.wav is strange though. It's very buzzy
>> and
>> >>>> hard
>> >>>> >> to understand. Just to clarify, for now, are we just
>> >>>> testing
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> Paul
>> >>>> >> voice?
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> The weather sample seems to be very articulate and precise.
>> It
>> >>>> doesn't
>> >>>> >> have any of that slurring of old versions on certain words.
>> >>>> This
>> >>>>
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> >> great.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Just to hear the sample at a higher rate of speed, can you
>> >>>> do
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> same
>> >>>> >> text at about 350 wpm to see how it stands up?
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> I didn't hear any of the soft tones at the end of
>> >>>> sentences,
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> even
>> >>>> >> ran the file and amplified silences, and it's about 48 dB
>> below
>> >>>> >> normal, so it's pretty quiet as it is without the code to
>> >>>> squash
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> >> humming.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Thanks,
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Alex
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On 8/29/11, ebruckert Bruckert <edbruckert at gmail.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> <mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>> >> > First some baseline testing stuff. Do not over test it in
>> >>>> other
>> >>>> >> words in the
>> >>>> >> > beginning this is a rough cut so if we get into too many
>> >>>> details
>> >>>> >> or changes
>> >>>> >> > it will just all become mud. We should only make a few
>> >>>> changes
>> >>>> >> at a time,
>> >>>> >> > the other problem may become differences of opinion
>> >>>> especially
>> >>>> >> with some of
>> >>>> >> > the voices which were never very stable because we never
>> >>>> really
>> >>>> >> liked
>> >>>> >> > exactly what we had. This is an old version of DECtalk so
>> >>>> >> occasionally you
>> >>>> >> > will hear little homes at the end of things during what
>> >>>> should
>> >>>> >> be silence.
>> >>>> >> > This is a mathematical problem called a limit cycle when
>> >>>> we're
>> >>>> >> finished I'll
>> >>>> >> > add the new code I developed to squelch it. It took us
>> years
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> >> figure out a
>> >>>> >> > way to get rid of it perceptually we never could get rid
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> it
>> >>>> >> > mathematically. Lastly I had to change the gain of
>> >>>> voicing
>> on
>> >>>> >> the modified
>> >>>> >> > voice that was sent without going into a long explanation
>> >>>> which
>> >>>> >> I can later
>> >>>> >> > if people want the gains of the cascade vocal track have
>> >>>> never
>> >>>> >> ever been
>> >>>> >> > constant it's a mathematical issue where you're
>> >>>> constantly
>> >>>> >> trying to adjust
>> >>>> >> > them between quantization and overload and we've never
>> >>>> been
>> >>>> able
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> >> > guarantee them.
>> >>>> >> > Lastly people can think about singing. The problem is
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> most
>> >>>> SAPI
>> >>>> >> > applications strip stuff out so I'm looking for
>> >>>> suggestions
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> >> how we could
>> >>>> >> > fool it and tell DECtalk that it was supposed to go into
>> >>>> >> phonemic mode so it
>> >>>> >> > can sing. I don't know what can and cannot get through
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> various
>> >>>> >> > applications and while
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > Again don't put too much effort in two critical listening
>> at
>> >>>> >> this stage as
>> >>>> >> > were not fine-tuning it just training 3n where targets
>> >>>> are
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:06 PM, jake mcmahan
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com <mailto:mcmahan.jake at gmail.com
>> >>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> On 8/29/2011 11:52 AM, ebruckert Bruckert wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Hello everyone the good news is I had a generator the
>> >>>> bad
>> >>>> news
>> >>>> >> is I had to
>> >>>> >> >> use it. I'm having trouble with the 2008 free edition of
>> >>>> visual
>> >>>> >> C I can't
>> >>>> >> >> run the debugger. But before I uninstall and reinstall
>> >>>> it
>> I
>> >>>> >> want to get
>> >>>> >> >> this
>> >>>> >> >> baseline out but it's a little bit painful because I
>> >>>> can't
>> >>>> run
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> >> >> debugger
>> >>>> >> >> so I'm doing it by an archaic method. So it'll be out
>> >>>> sometime
>> >>>> >> today and
>> >>>> >> >> then I'll reload visual C.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 4:11 PM, jake mcmahan
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >> <mcmahan.jake at gmail.com
>> >>>> <mailto:mcmahan.jake at gmail.com>>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> On 8/28/2011 11:40 AM, ebruckert Bruckert wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Ed K okay I'm ready. I have a base tuning of all the
>> voices.
>> >>>> So
>> >>>> >> send me
>> >>>> >> >> the
>> >>>> >> >> various files to test with and we will try and get some
>> >>>> >> agreement on the
>> >>>> >> >> voices.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, ebruckert Bruckert
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> <edbruckert at gmail.com <mailto:edbruckert at gmail.com>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> I was visiting my grandson, back to woek today.....
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Alex H.
>> >>>> >> >> <linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> <mailto:linuxx64.bashsh at gmail.com>>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Hi,
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Your message came through. DECTalk is alive and singing.
>> :D
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Alex
>> >>>> >> >> On 8/20/2011 11:22 PM, Doris and Chris wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> > I have not seen any messages from this list in over a
>> >>>> week.
>> >>>> >> So I was
>> >>>> >> >> > wondering if the list was down or if there is a
>> >>>> problem
>> at
>> >>>> my
>> >>>> >> end or
>> >>>> >> >> > with my subscription.
>> >>>> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> > Cheers,
>> >>>> >> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> > Doris
>> >>>> >> >> >
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