[DECtalk] Midi conversion?

Shaun Everiss shaun.e at xtra.co.nz
Sat Jun 4 04:32:12 EDT 2005


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I am using internet explorer 6.0sp2.
At 07:03 p.m. 4/06/2005, you wrote:
>Hi,
>Can you give an exact error message?  Also, what browser are you using?
>Jayson.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Shaun Everiss" <shaun.e at xtra.co.nz>
>To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>
>Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:25 PM
>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>
>
>> jayson I can't download your mids.
>> I try and it finds the file.
>> I choose save.
>> it says file name.
>> I push enter and then it says it can't read the file from source.
>> At 09:58 a.m. 4/06/2005, you wrote:
>> >Hi,
>> >I made the MIDI files with Quick Windows Sequencer.  It can be found at
><http://qws.andreLouis.com>http://qws.andreLouis.com
>> >It's a free program written by a blind individual so as far as I know
>it's 100% accessible.
>> >Jayson.
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: <mailto:nick at nickgawronski.com>Nick Gawronski
>> >To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>> >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:12 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >
>> >Hi, What midi editor did you use to make these files and if it is free
>where can I download it and how accessible is it?  Where is a good place to
>get midi files of normal songs and a program to convert them to wav files?
>bye
>> >My web page is at
><http://www.nickgawronski.com>http://www.nickgawronski.com
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: <mailto:ratguy at bellsouth.net>Jayson Smith
>> >To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>> >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:59 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >
>> >Hi,
>> >I just made a few MIDI files for this purpose.  You can grab them at the
>following url.
>> ><http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip>http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip
>> >There are three files.  The file row.mid is "Row, Row, Row your Boat",
>mary.mid is "Mary Had a Little Lam" and joy.mid is "Joy to the World" (the
>Christmas song and not the Three Dog Night song).  I made all these files.
>They are all single-track files, and have nothing except the actual notes to
>be sung.  Just about everybody on this list will probably be familiar with
>these songs, so this shouldn't be a problem.
>> >Joy actually really provides the only test of syllables being sung over
>multiple notes.  Is there any provision for the opposite.  I don't even have
>a song in mind, but let's say there was a song with the word 'idea' in it,
>where the 'dea' part was to be sung on one note.  Now, this constitutes two
>distinct vowel sounds.  Is the solution to make the midi accomodate the song
>by putting in a double note in that instance?  Actually, an actual example
>of this can be found in the song "God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen" in the lyric
>"To save us all from Satan's power".  Here, the word 'power' is sung on one
>note.
>> >Jayson.
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
>> >To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>> >Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:47 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >
>> >Dear Jayson,
>> >Thanks for your questions.
>> >You're right about the licensing. It would require a license for DECtalk.
>> >The program could be distributed in a form that doesn't include DECtalk,
>if the user would be content with just a function that merged the already
>phoneticized DECtalk string with the midi file.
>> >The program works with just the first track of the MIDI file, so in
>casese of multi-track MIDI files, you'll want the first track to be the
>vocal track, rather than some other instrument. My current implememtation
>doesn't isolate the vocal track for you, but there are MIDI editor programs
>that allow you to strip out the non-vocal tracks from the song and resave
>the stripped-down version.
>> >As for operating systems, this program has worked under ME, and probably
>would work under 98 and 2000. I've been using XP during the last several
>years, as I've refined the software, but the code doesn't depend on it's
>being used under XP.
>> >The program does assign one syllable per note, where a syllable is
>defined as a vowel, diphthong or syllabic consonant, plus the preceding
>consonants, if any. For syllables that need to be stretched over two notes,
>such as the "O" in "O say can you see by the dawn's early light....", the
>solution is just to put a number (in the case of "O", it would be "2") in
>the DECtalk phoneme text box directly before the phoneme for the vowel, as
>in "[2ow]", and the program will automatically assign two consecutive notes
>to that syllable.
>> >
>> >If I have time over the weekend, I may be able to give the list a couple
>examples of how this works.
>> >
>> >Does anyone have a song (with lyrics and associated midi file) for this
>test?
>> >
>> >Yours,
>> >John Eulenberg
>> >
>> >Jayson Smith wrote:
>> >>Hi,
>> >>Thanks for the explanation.  I do have a few more questions.  One's
>about DECtalk itself.  Does the software actually have a DECtalk program in
>it, or does it call an external program to play the song you've just
>created?  If DECtalk is bundled with the program, this might present a whole
>mess of licensing concerns.  Most of us in this community use the freely
>available DECtalk demo program put out by Digital way back when, called
>speak43.exe.  I have written a small program called Playdec which will allow
>for command-line or Windows association playing of DECtalk files using the
>Speak43 application or any similar application.  Let me know if you want a
>copy.  The license for my program is, basically, do whatever you want with
>it but if you use my code somewhere else I'd like credit.
>> >>Is your program only usable under XP?  That's not a problem for me or
>probably for most others, but I'm just wondering if it actually requires XP
>or if it's just not been tested on older systems such as 98.
>> >>My other question involves the translation of MIDI notes into DECtalk
>code.  Let's say you have an eight-note MIDI file, and you create a DECtalk
>phonemic version of the text 'This is a test'.  Now, would the first note
>sing 'this', the second note sing 'is', the third note sing 'a', and the
>fourth note sing 'test'?  If so, what about the other four notes, would they
>be silent?  In other words, is it always assumed that one note equals one
>syllable?
>> >>Thanks,
>> >>Jayson.
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
>> >>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>> >>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:20 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >>
>> >>Dear Jayson et al.,
>> >>Basically, the program, which runs under Windows XP, presents three text
>windows: The first is for English orthography (regular spelling); the second
>is for DECtalk phonemic code, without the musical note codes; and the third
>is for the fully "enchanted" DECtalk code, including the musical notes. You
>can enter text into either the first window or the second window. If you
>enter it into the first window, clicking a control button creates the
>corresponding phonetic text in the second window for you automatically. A
>separate navigation control allows you to select a midi file on your
>computer. Then, once you have thus specified the phonetic text in the second
>text window and the desired midi file, clicking a second control button
>creates the fully "enchanted" DECtalk text in the third text window. This
>text can then be played by clicking a third control button. Any of the texts
>can be copied to the clipboard for use in another application. Also, one can
>hand-edit the text in a
>>  ll th
>> ree windows at any time.
>> >>
>> >>I am working with Michigan State University on getting this software
>available either for free (my preference) or for a nominal license fee under
>$15.
>> >>
>> >>As for accessibility of this software for blind users, I think it would
>be accessible to a person using most screen reading programs. I will give it
>a test with JAWS this week.
>> >>
>> >>Yours,
>> >>John Eulenberg
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Jayson Smith wrote:
>> >>>Hi,
>> >>>A few more questions if you don't mind.  I understand that this
>software is currently unavailable to the public, and you'd need sufficient
>interest in order to release it.  With that said, I'd like to ask a few
>questions which might let everybody know if this program would work for us.
>> >>>1.  What operating systems does the program run under?
>> >>>2.  How does it work?  E.G. what is the user interface like?  Is it a
>deal where you write a text script which describes what phonemes or sounds
>are to be put on each note, or is it a graffical representation where you
>somehow find the proper notes on the screen and put phonemic symbols on
>those notes or something?  If that's the way it is, it probably wouldn't be
>that useful to most of us, as most of us on this list probably are blind.
>> >>>I think once there was talk of writing a program to do something
>similar, but putting some generic phonemic symbols on each note so you could
>then go in and manually put the  phonemes in.
>> >>>Jayson.
>> >>>
>> >>>----- Original Message -----
>> >>>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John Eulenberg
>> >>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>> >>>Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:23 AM
>> >>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >>>
>> >>>It hasn't been released, but it ould be. It's pretty much a matter of
>clearing the MSU office of Intellectual Property. I'd be happy to look into
>it if there is sufficient interest.
>> >>>John B. Eulenberg
>> >>>
>> >>>John Bryson Eulenberg
>> >>>
>> >>>Professor
>> >>>
>> >>>Director, Artificial Language Laboratory
>> >>>Jayson Smith wrote:
>> >>>>Hi,
>> >>>>Has this software ever been made available to the DECtalk community at
>large, or is it only available for internal use?  Just curious.
>> >>>>Jayson.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
>> >>>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>> >>>>Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:15 AM
>> >>>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Dear Jayson et al,
>> >>>>We have been doing MIDI to DECtalk conversions for years at the
>Michigan State University Artificial Language Laboratory, using our own
>proprietary software. Our main application has been for nonspeaking people
>using a communication aid system such as DynaVox.
>> >>>>Our program allows the user to input either at the phoneme level or at
>the level of orthographic representation (regular spelling).
>> >>>>Yours,
>> >>>>John Eulenberg
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Jayson Smith wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Hey,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Did anybody ever figure out a way to convert data in MIDI files into
>proper
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>DECtalk format for singing?  Obviously you'd have to put in the
>proper
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>phonemes yourself, but still it'd be nice to be able to have the
>notes and
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>durations converted.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Jayson.
>> >>>>>
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>> >John Bryson Eulenberg, Ph.D.
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>> >Professor
>> >
>> >Audiology and Speech Sciences
>> >
>> >Linguistics, Germanic, Slavic, Asian and African Languages
>> >
>> >African Studies Center
>> >
>> >Director, Artificial Language Laboratory
>> >
>> >405 Computer Center
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>> >Michigan State University
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