[DECtalk] Midi conversion?
Nick Gawronski
nick at nickgawronski.com
Fri Jun 3 22:20:21 EDT 2005
Hi, I would like to hear some of dectalk singing with this midi program to
hear what it sounds like? bye
My web page is at http://www.nickgawronski.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <shaun.e at xtra.co.nz>
To: "DECtalk Discussions" <dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
> jayson I can't download your mids.
> I try and it finds the file.
> I choose save.
> it says file name.
> I push enter and then it says it can't read the file from source.
> At 09:58 a.m. 4/06/2005, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>I made the MIDI files with Quick Windows Sequencer. It can be found at
>><http://qws.andreLouis.com>http://qws.andreLouis.com
>>It's a free program written by a blind individual so as far as I know it's
>>100% accessible.
>>Jayson.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:nick at nickgawronski.com>Nick Gawronski
>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>>Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>
>>Hi, What midi editor did you use to make these files and if it is free
>>where can I download it and how accessible is it? Where is a good place
>>to get midi files of normal songs and a program to convert them to wav
>>files? bye
>>My web page is at
>><http://www.nickgawronski.com>http://www.nickgawronski.com
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:ratguy at bellsouth.net>Jayson Smith
>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>>Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:59 AM
>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>
>>Hi,
>>I just made a few MIDI files for this purpose. You can grab them at the
>>following url.
>><http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip>http://jaybird.no-ip.info/mid.zip
>>There are three files. The file row.mid is "Row, Row, Row your Boat",
>>mary.mid is "Mary Had a Little Lam" and joy.mid is "Joy to the World" (the
>>Christmas song and not the Three Dog Night song). I made all these files.
>>They are all single-track files, and have nothing except the actual notes
>>to be sung. Just about everybody on this list will probably be familiar
>>with these songs, so this shouldn't be a problem.
>>Joy actually really provides the only test of syllables being sung over
>>multiple notes. Is there any provision for the opposite. I don't even
>>have a song in mind, but let's say there was a song with the word 'idea'
>>in it, where the 'dea' part was to be sung on one note. Now, this
>>constitutes two distinct vowel sounds. Is the solution to make the midi
>>accomodate the song by putting in a double note in that instance?
>>Actually, an actual example of this can be found in the song "God Rest Ye,
>>Merry Gentlemen" in the lyric "To save us all from Satan's power". Here,
>>the word 'power' is sung on one note.
>>Jayson.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:47 AM
>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>
>>Dear Jayson,
>>Thanks for your questions.
>>You're right about the licensing. It would require a license for DECtalk.
>>The program could be distributed in a form that doesn't include DECtalk,
>>if the user would be content with just a function that merged the already
>>phoneticized DECtalk string with the midi file.
>>The program works with just the first track of the MIDI file, so in casese
>>of multi-track MIDI files, you'll want the first track to be the vocal
>>track, rather than some other instrument. My current implememtation
>>doesn't isolate the vocal track for you, but there are MIDI editor
>>programs that allow you to strip out the non-vocal tracks from the song
>>and resave the stripped-down version.
>>As for operating systems, this program has worked under ME, and probably
>>would work under 98 and 2000. I've been using XP during the last several
>>years, as I've refined the software, but the code doesn't depend on it's
>>being used under XP.
>>The program does assign one syllable per note, where a syllable is defined
>>as a vowel, diphthong or syllabic consonant, plus the preceding
>>consonants, if any. For syllables that need to be stretched over two
>>notes, such as the "O" in "O say can you see by the dawn's early
>>light....", the solution is just to put a number (in the case of "O", it
>>would be "2") in the DECtalk phoneme text box directly before the phoneme
>>for the vowel, as in "[2ow]", and the program will automatically assign
>>two consecutive notes to that syllable.
>>
>>If I have time over the weekend, I may be able to give the list a couple
>>examples of how this works.
>>
>>Does anyone have a song (with lyrics and associated midi file) for this
>>test?
>>
>>Yours,
>>John Eulenberg
>>
>>Jayson Smith wrote:
>>>Hi,
>>>Thanks for the explanation. I do have a few more questions. One's about
>>>DECtalk itself. Does the software actually have a DECtalk program in it,
>>>or does it call an external program to play the song you've just created?
>>>If DECtalk is bundled with the program, this might present a whole mess
>>>of licensing concerns. Most of us in this community use the freely
>>>available DECtalk demo program put out by Digital way back when, called
>>>speak43.exe. I have written a small program called Playdec which will
>>>allow for command-line or Windows association playing of DECtalk files
>>>using the Speak43 application or any similar application. Let me know if
>>>you want a copy. The license for my program is, basically, do whatever
>>>you want with it but if you use my code somewhere else I'd like credit.
>>>Is your program only usable under XP? That's not a problem for me or
>>>probably for most others, but I'm just wondering if it actually requires
>>>XP or if it's just not been tested on older systems such as 98.
>>>My other question involves the translation of MIDI notes into DECtalk
>>>code. Let's say you have an eight-note MIDI file, and you create a
>>>DECtalk phonemic version of the text 'This is a test'. Now, would the
>>>first note sing 'this', the second note sing 'is', the third note sing
>>>'a', and the fourth note sing 'test'? If so, what about the other four
>>>notes, would they be silent? In other words, is it always assumed that
>>>one note equals one syllable?
>>>Thanks,
>>>Jayson.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
>>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>>>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:20 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>>
>>>Dear Jayson et al.,
>>>Basically, the program, which runs under Windows XP, presents three text
>>>windows: The first is for English orthography (regular spelling); the
>>>second is for DECtalk phonemic code, without the musical note codes; and
>>>the third is for the fully "enchanted" DECtalk code, including the
>>>musical notes. You can enter text into either the first window or the
>>>second window. If you enter it into the first window, clicking a control
>>>button creates the corresponding phonetic text in the second window for
>>>you automatically. A separate navigation control allows you to select a
>>>midi file on your computer. Then, once you have thus specified the
>>>phonetic text in the second text window and the desired midi file,
>>>clicking a second control button creates the fully "enchanted" DECtalk
>>>text in the third text window. This text can then be played by clicking a
>>>third control button. Any of the texts can be copied to the clipboard for
>>>use in another application. Also, one can hand-edit the text in a
> ll th
> ree windows at any time.
>>>
>>>I am working with Michigan State University on getting this software
>>>available either for free (my preference) or for a nominal license fee
>>>under $15.
>>>
>>>As for accessibility of this software for blind users, I think it would
>>>be accessible to a person using most screen reading programs. I will give
>>>it a test with JAWS this week.
>>>
>>>Yours,
>>>John Eulenberg
>>>
>>>
>>>Jayson Smith wrote:
>>>>Hi,
>>>>A few more questions if you don't mind. I understand that this software
>>>>is currently unavailable to the public, and you'd need sufficient
>>>>interest in order to release it. With that said, I'd like to ask a few
>>>>questions which might let everybody know if this program would work for
>>>>us.
>>>>1. What operating systems does the program run under?
>>>>2. How does it work? E.G. what is the user interface like? Is it a
>>>>deal where you write a text script which describes what phonemes or
>>>>sounds are to be put on each note, or is it a graffical representation
>>>>where you somehow find the proper notes on the screen and put phonemic
>>>>symbols on those notes or something? If that's the way it is, it
>>>>probably wouldn't be that useful to most of us, as most of us on this
>>>>list probably are blind.
>>>>I think once there was talk of writing a program to do something
>>>>similar, but putting some generic phonemic symbols on each note so you
>>>>could then go in and manually put the phonemes in.
>>>>Jayson.
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John Eulenberg
>>>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:23 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>>>
>>>>It hasn't been released, but it ould be. It's pretty much a matter of
>>>>clearing the MSU office of Intellectual Property. I'd be happy to look
>>>>into it if there is sufficient interest.
>>>>John B. Eulenberg
>>>>
>>>>John Bryson Eulenberg
>>>>
>>>>Professor
>>>>
>>>>Director, Artificial Language Laboratory
>>>>Jayson Smith wrote:
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>Has this software ever been made available to the DECtalk community at
>>>>>large, or is it only available for internal use? Just curious.
>>>>>Jayson.
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: <mailto:eulenber at msu.edu>John B. Eulenberg
>>>>>To: <mailto:dectalk at jaybird.no-ip.info>DECtalk Discussions
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:15 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [DECtalk] Midi conversion?
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear Jayson et al,
>>>>>We have been doing MIDI to DECtalk conversions for years at the
>>>>>Michigan State University Artificial Language Laboratory, using our own
>>>>>proprietary software. Our main application has been for nonspeaking
>>>>>people using a communication aid system such as DynaVox.
>>>>>Our program allows the user to input either at the phoneme level or at
>>>>>the level of orthographic representation (regular spelling).
>>>>>Yours,
>>>>>John Eulenberg
>>>>>
>>>>>Jayson Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did anybody ever figure out a way to convert data in MIDI files into
>>>>>>proper
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DECtalk format for singing? Obviously you'd have to put in the proper
>>>>>>
>>>>>>phonemes yourself, but still it'd be nice to be able to have the notes
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>durations converted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jayson.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>--
>>
>>John Bryson Eulenberg, Ph.D.
>>
>>Professor
>>
>>Audiology and Speech Sciences
>>
>>Linguistics, Germanic, Slavic, Asian and African Languages
>>
>>African Studies Center
>>
>>Director, Artificial Language Laboratory
>>
>>405 Computer Center
>>
>>Michigan State University
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>>East Lansing, MI 48824-1042
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>>517-353-6622 voice
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