[Blindapple] So close to working on the Mac!

Tiny Puppy-butchb wa0vjr at gmail.com
Sat Nov 23 09:42:22 EST 2024 

wow, I was wanting a way to do that.

Butch Bussen
WA0VJR
butchb at fairpoint.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Norton via BlindApple" 
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To: "Discussions Blind Apple" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
Cc: "Joseph Norton" <joseph.norton at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2024 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindapple] So close to working on the Mac!


Hi Butch:

Cider press is a Windows tool that lets you open and manipulate 
the contents of Apple disc images.

You can rename files, delete files, move files, and even look at 
the contents of files, for example, you can list a basic program 
with cider press. You can also import and export files to and 
from disc images.


I’m not at the computer right now, but, later on, I can give you 
a link to I’m not at the computer right now, but, later on, I can 
give you a link to it.


73 for now
it.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2024, at 9:22 AM, Tiny Puppy-butchb via BlindApple 
> <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>
> what is Ciderpress, ?   I never heard of that.
>
> Butch Bussen
> WA0VJR
> butchb at fairpoint.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Norton via BlindApple"
> <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> To: "'Blind Apple Discussions'" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> Cc: <joseph.norton at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2024 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] So close to working on the Mac!
>
>
> Hi:
>
> On the EAMON CD, there's a HD image with a good many Eamon
> adventures.
>
> If I remember correctly, the games may even be modified to have 
> a
> menu accessed from the Main Hall, but, it's been a few years
> since I looked at it.
>
> I'll see if I can dig up that image--I think I have it hear in 
> my
> OneDrive storage.
>
> Ohn a side point, anyone know a way to edit an AppleSoft Basic
> program in an accessible way on the Apple?
>
> I can use Ciderpress, I think, on the Windows side.
>
> Hmmm, now that I have a Mantis, maybe I can look at some 
> listings
> in Braille and modify them.  Haven't tried anything like that
> yet.
>
> I bet most of the pokes and such in those Eamon adventures on 
> the
> HD are just to do pretty things with the screen.  Do we need 
> any
> of that stuff to make it work for us?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindApple <blindapple-bounces at bluegrasspals.com> On 
> Behalf
> Of Tiny Puppy-butchb via BlindApple
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2024 10:40 PM
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> Cc: Tiny Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] So close to working on the Mac!
>
> I don't think I have the adventures on an hd, I do have several
> floppies, but never figured out an easy way to swap disks.
>
> Butch Bussen
> WA0VJR
> butchb at fairpoint.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Norton via BlindApple"
> <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> To: "'Blind Apple Discussions'" <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> Cc: <joseph.norton at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2024 9:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] So close to working on the Mac!
>
>
> Hi:
>
> I wish I knew more about what those Eamon adventures on the HD
> do, they do something with pokes that disables Textalker.
>
> If I knew more about this, I bet that HD image could be fixed 
> to
> run with Textalker.
>
> There's probably a lot of hours of play on that HD--I just 
> don't
> know enough about how to fix them.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindApple <blindapple-bounces at bluegrasspals.com> On 
> Behalf
> Of John Isige via BlindApple
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2024 12:58 PM
> To: Blind Apple Discussions <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> Cc: John Isige <gwynn at tds.net>
> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] So close to working on the Mac!
>
> Thanks! F6 did the trick BTW.
>
> Briefly, Eamon was an adventure game system. You had a disk
> called the Main Hall, that had an adventure, The Beginner’s 
> Cave.
> Once you got past that, or if you just wanted to skip it, you’d
> switch disks to another adventure, and your character was 
> written
> to that disk. When you finished that adventure, you’d put the
> main hall disk back in, and it would write your character back 
> to
> it, so you could go on other adventures. But if your character
> died in that adventure, it was dead, because it was deleted, 
> not
> written back to the main hall disk. I should say *is* in all of
> this, since we can still play them thanks to Mame.
>
> I’ve got almost all of the adventures as DOS 3.3 floppy images,
> if the link to the Eamon CD is broken, I can put them up
> somewhere, if anybody’s interested. There is a talking version 
> of
> the Main hall disk, I forget who did it, so you just boot from
> that, and when you save state and switch disks, you still have
> speech, obviously. So if you can get Eamon from somewhere else
> but don’t have that, I could put that up too. I’m fairly sure 
> you
> could also boot from any disk with speech, and switch to the 
> main
> hall and run from there. So. You’ve got options.
>
> Oh also, while the main thrust is a sort of DND Medieval 
> fantasy
> thingy, people wrote all kinds of adventures, so I’m pretty 
> sure
> there’s at least one Western, some SF stuff, things like that. 
> It
> wasn’t all just DND/MUD kinds of things. I should also add this
> mostly happened in the eighties, so it either predated, or at
> least paralleled, the proliferation of MUDs with all of these
> different themes we have today.
>
>> On Nov 22, 2024, at 10:53 AM, Darcy Burnard via BlindApple
>> <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi.  /usr/local/bin is definitely a good place to put the mame
>> executable.  As for the various support folders, it doesn’t
>> really matter where you put them. The only thing to be aware 
>> of
>> is that if your goal is to run mame from anywhere, you’re 
>> going
>> to want to put the full path of each folder in your mame.ini
>> file.
>> Speaking of the mame.ini, you’re going to want to put it in 
>> one
>> of the places that mame expects to find it.  Look in the
>> mame.ini file for the inipath option, and place your ini files
>> in one of those directories.
>> If you do all that, then you should be able to get mame to 
>> work
>> from anywhere.
>> Darcy
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 21, 2024, at 8:05 PM, John Isige via BlindApple
>>> <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks! I didn’t see your other one, no.
>>>
>>> Where is the easiest place to put Mame, local/bin? Do the
>>> supporting files just go in that directory? Right now I have
>>> everything in home, I just downloaded SDL2 and Mame from the
>>> Web  and opened them. But once I get this working, it would 
>>> be
>>> nice to just change directories and do Mame whatever to load
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> I was using shift-f7, so some of those old Mame docs are on
>>> mamedev.org because that’s where I found it.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.mamedev.org/index.php/Driver:Apple_II
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 21, 2024, at 6:36 PM, Darcy Burnard via BlindApple
>>>> <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi.  I don’t know if you saw my other message, but I’ve also
>>>> been working on the Mac stuff.  I ended up just copying the
>>>> disks and roms folder from Butch’s package.  I symlinked all
>>>> the various Mame support folders which are in
>>>> /opt/homebrew/share/mame.   I then used -createconfig to
>>>> generate new ini files.
>>>> I don’t know much about the Emon stuff, so can’t help you
>>>> there, but I can answer a few of your questions.
>>>> To make it so mame starts the emulator immediately, you want
>>>> to look for the skip_gameinfo option in the ini file, and 
>>>> set
>>>> it to 1.
>>>> To switch disks, the only way I know to do it on the Mac, is
>>>> to save the state, exit the emulator, and restart with new
>>>> disks in the drive.  To save state, you want to do an fn
>>>> delete, then f6, and then a letter or number.  This took me
>>>> forever to figure out.  In the past, the key you pressed was
>>>> shift f7, and there’s a lot of out of date Mame docs out
>>>> there.
>>>> HTH
>>>> Darcy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 21, 2024, at 3:11 PM, John Isige via BlindApple
>>>>> <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>
>>>>> So close!
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on Butch’s attachment, I copied all of the Mame stuff
>>>>> that wasn’t programs into my Mame directory, because 
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> files won’t run, of course. Was booting with errors, so I
>>>>> took everything out of the apple2ee.ini file except the
>>>>> Apple specific stuff, under the assumption that the default
>>>>> Mame.ini would cover everything else. The delete key still
>>>>> wasn’t working to get to the stuff like powering the Apple
>>>>> off and such. So I deleted Mame.ini and did Mame -cc to
>>>>> generate a new one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now delete followed by escape powers off the machinelike it’s
>>>>> supposed to. I still can’t switch disks though. I ran 
>>>>> Eamon,
>>>>> played the first adventure, then told it to go on an
>>>>> adventure. Now I need to switch disks. I did delete,
>>>>> shift-f7, 1, escape, which supposedly saves the machine
>>>>> state. It did go back to the terminal. Then I did:
>>>>>
>>>>> ./mame apple2ee -flop1 ../ae/dos33/d3_023.dsk -state 1
>>>>>
>>>>> You’re supposed to hit c so I did. Instead of running the
>>>>> Adventure and talking, it just kept hitting the drive,
>>>>> metaphorically speaking, no matter what key I hit. So I 
>>>>> just
>>>>> powered it off.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only other weirdness I can think of involves two 
>>>>> things.
>>>>> First, for some reason, I have to hit a key to start the
>>>>> emulator. E.g. if I run this, which works:
>>>>>
>>>>> ./mame apple2ee -flop1 ../ae/dos33/eamontlk.dsk
>>>>>
>>>>> It brings up the Mame window, and I have to hit space,, (I
>>>>> assume any key will work but that’s what I hit), then I get
>>>>> the beep of the emulator booting. Also, even though there’s
>>>>> a hard disk controller listed in apple2ee.ini, if I do:
>>>>>
>>>>> ./mame apple2ee -hard1 harddisk.hd
>>>>>
>>>>> It says -hard1is an unknown option. But if I do:
>>>>>
>>>>> ./mame apple2ee -sl7 cffa2 -hard1harddisk.hd
>>>>>
>>>>> Then the hard disk image boots. So, a couple of thoughts.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Anybody have any ideas on switching disks?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Alternatively, Eamon is the only thing I need to switch
>>>>> for, I think. There is a hard drive image here of at least
>>>>> some of the adventures
>>>>>
>>>>> Or there’s the Eamon CD with almost all of the adventures,
>>>>> but I’m assuming you can’t just put them on an HD image
>>>>> easily, because they’ll expect floppies being switched.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.eamonag.org/pages/EamonCD%20ships/EamonCDships.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can somebody smarter than I am either put Text Talker in 
>>>>> the
>>>>> boot program for the HD image, or tell me how to, or 
>>>>> suggest
>>>>> a way to get the adventures from floppies into a hard drive
>>>>> image? I’ve got a talking Eamon boot disk if that will 
>>>>> help,
>>>>> although the version on the HD image would be pretty
>>>>> different.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.eamonag.org/pages/eamon_misc.htm#EamonFK%20Hard%20Drive%20Image
>>>>>
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