[Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction

Jayson Smith jaybird at bluegrasspals.com
Fri Oct 23 22:35:27 EDT 2020


As far as I know, most if not all Eamon games are well preserved, as 
they were imaged many years ago. I don't know who's actually hosting 
them now, but Eamon is still very much available.

As for Dropbox, in short, it's a file sync service where you create an 
account and download a piece of software to install on your computer. 
They dropped support for Windows XP a few years ago. Visit dropbox.com 
for more info. With a free account you get a few gigabytes of storage, 
not sure how many, and you can create and join shared folders. On the 
subject of which…

The Talking Apple Archive folder is such a shared folder. Only a few 
people have full read/write access, most members have read-only access. 
A few people have their own directory where they put disk images they've 
created, programs they wrote, etc. Most material is in categorized 
folders E.G. accessibility, educational, games, productivity, utilities, 
etc. Anyone interested in joining who already has Dropbox, just Email me 
at jaybird at bluegrasspals.com with your Email address and I can get you 
set up. If you want a folder for your own material, just let me know 
what you want your folder to be called.


On 10/23/2020 9:36 PM, Tiny Puppy-butchb wrote:
> I've been looking all day through some boxes of disks I could find.  
> Still missing some I know.  Only4 or 5 eamon disks and I had more than 
> that.  Did find  dos sample disk, prodos disk as well as lots of games 
> disks I haven't done yet.  Also, a computer aids directory disk, 
> anyone remember that program.  I redid that one so there is no copy 
> protection, fun to look at again.  Also computer aids info, and I 
> think term-talk.  I don't know anything about drop box, so if some one 
> can write me off list and explain that, I could likely do that, 
> although sendspace just renewed my account for another year which I 
> would cancel if I could figure out how.
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Joseph Norton <mailto:joseph.norton at gmail.com>
> *To:* Blind Apple Discussions <mailto:blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2020 2:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
> Hi Butch:
> Glad you got it working.
> If you want to send one of them to my Gmail it should be able to take 
> an attachment that size.
> I can let you know if everything went OK on this end.
> Thanks
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Oct 22, 2020, at 12:11 AM, Tiny Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net 
>> <mailto:butchb at fairpoint.net>> wrote:
>> Well, I finally got it to work.  I'm not certain it was worth this 
>> hastle, but hated to give up.  I set switches as you suggested, also 
>> turned the jumper over so I could use a straight cable, although I 
>> don't think my null modem ones were the problem.  What I finally did 
>> was drag out an old windows copy of a program called secureterm.  It 
>> let me strip off the 8gh bit and also set a delay between lines.  
>> That finally did the trick as far as the adp program went.  I tried 
>> and tried, but never could get the basic to transfer right.  It kept 
>> screwing up line numbers.  Once I got the other working, I did some 
>> apple images and also restored the adt123 disk so I now have the 
>> basic configuration program if I want it.  I am still looking for a 
>> lot of my apple disks, but do have prodos master, and dos 3.3, as 
>> well as a bunch of text games. Still looking for my eamon disks.  
>> I'll have to figure out where to put these if any one wants them.  
>> I've fought this thing since last Friday.  Never did get the 2 c to 
>> work, they are just one strange computer.  One of mine won't even 
>> boot up.
>> Thanks everyone for your help.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* A B <mailto:cmelloni at hotmail.com>
>> *To:* Blind Apple Discussions <mailto:blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:00 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
>> Yes, switch 1 (SW1) is towards the front of the computer. switch 2 
>> (SW2) is on its right side holding the super serial card with the 
>> component side facing you.
>> The jumper block is towards the back of the computer.
>> Despite ADTPro capability to setup the switches thought software in 
>> the Apple IIC, personally I've never succeeded to do so. For me. It 
>> only worked on IIe with super serial card
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* BlindApple <blindapple-bounces at bluegrasspals.com> on behalf 
>> of Tiny Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net>
>> *Sent:* October 21, 2020 3:58 AM
>> *To:* Blind Apple Discussions <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
>> Thanks much.  I'm certain I set switches up properly, I assume bank 1 
>> is toward front of computer and s1 is also toward the front?
>> I tried several cables.  I also tried my 2c which I can't get to 
>> communicate at all.  I ordered the 2 c serial cable from the page you 
>> mentioned, but I suspect it is meant for com 2, which is where the 
>> cricket has to plug in.  I also have another 2 e which I'll drag out 
>> just to see if something there is strange.  Thanks.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* A B <mailto:cmelloni at hotmail.com>
>> *To:* Apple Discussions <mailto:blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2020 8:37 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
>> Based on your description, it seems you have a setup issue. A few 
>> suggestions from the ADTPro website:
>> 1) Check the serial cable. There are two types of cables: 
>> straight-through or of the null modem. You need to setup your serial 
>> card jumper block accordingly
>> 2) Check the position of the terminal block jumper on the card: 
>> for straight-through cable, the terminal block should point down. For 
>> null-modem cable, the terminal block should point Up
>> 2) Check the position of the card switch SW1 and SW2. They should be 
>> setup as SW1: 1001111  SW2: 1101100. Where 0 means off, down, or 
>> open, and 1 means on, up, or closed.
>> More details in https://www.adtpro.com/connectionsserial.html
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* BlindApple <blindapple-bounces at bluegrasspals.com> on behalf 
>> of Jayson Smith <jaybird at bluegrasspals.com>
>> *Sent:* October 20, 2020 9:42 AM
>> *To:* Apple Discussions <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>> *Subject:* [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
>> Hi,
>> This message was supposed to go to the list, but the poster wrote to 
>> me privately instead.
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: 	Re: [Blindapple] introduction
>> Date: 	Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:33:13 -0600
>> From: 	Tiny Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net> 
>> <mailto:butchb at fairpoint.net>
>> To: 	Jayson Smith <jaybird at bluegrasspals.com> 
>> <mailto:jaybird at bluegrasspals.com>
>> I've written Jayson off list, and he suggested I write to the list.  
>> I have followed the  instructions according to the manual using a 
>> super serial card set as manual says.  When trying to send any 
>> program to the apple, I get a ton of beeps and nothing is saved.  I 
>> ran a terminal program on the windows box and am able to send say a 
>> catalog command to the apple, but I get garbage back.  Kind of 
>> reminds me of when we had characters with 8th bit on.  I've fought 
>> this thing all week end.  I've tried 3 different windows boxes.  I 
>> only have the one super serial card, so have ordered another one on 
>> ebay.  I also dug out my 2 c with a cricket synthesizer, and can't 
>> get the computers to talk to each other no matter what I do.  The 
>> cricket has to be in com 2 so I'm using com 1.  Trying to set baud 
>> and such with either ctrl a or ctrl i commands and running through 
>> all baud settings in teraterm, I can't get machines to communicate at 
>> all.  Tried a null movem with no luck either.  I can't figure what 
>> I'm missing.  I'm using the files Jayson sent.
>> Thanks.
>> I've fought this thing for so many hours, I'm forgetting what all 
>> I've tried.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Jayson Smith <mailto:jaybird at bluegrasspals.com>
>> *To:* Tiny Puppy-butchb <mailto:butchb at fairpoint.net> ; Apple 
>> Discussions <mailto:blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2020 8:26 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] introduction
>> Hi,
>> Putting this on the list in case anyone else wants to give ADT a go.
>> Okay, here is ADT.
>> http://bluegrasspals.com/adt.zip
>> When you unzip it, you'll find several files, as follows:
>> adt.asm: Assembly source code for Apple II ADT program
>> adt.dmp: ADT Apple program, hex dump to be sent to the Apple
>> adt.exe: ADT Windows program, what you run on the PC
>> adt123.dsk: ADT Apple disk image
>> Adtcfg.bas: Dump of an Applesoft program to configure ADT, send this 
>> to the Apple
>> adtn.dmp: Same as adt.dmp but without line feeds for terminal 
>> programs that can't strip them
>> adtn_dmp_info.txt: Info about dump files
>> ADT_doc.txt: ADT documentation
>> GPL.TXT: Gnu General Public License
>> Manual.txt: Complete ADT manual
>> readme.txt: Brief Readme for ADT
>> To get started, boot up a DOS 3.3 disk, disable Textalker with 
>> Ctrl-E, O if necessary, then have a disk in slot 6, drive 1, with 
>> plenty of free space. Then, follow the instructions in manual.txt to 
>> establish communication between your Apple and PC and send either 
>> adt.dmp, or if your comm program can't strip line feeds, adtn.dmp. At 
>> the end of the process it should save a binary file called ADT and 
>> leave you at an Applesoft prompt.
>> Then, use the same procedure to send adtcfg.bas to your Apple, and it 
>> should save as an Applesoft program called ADT CONFIGURATION.
>> The default configuration on the Apple side is that disks read or 
>> written are in slot 6, drive 1. The Super Serial card is in slot 2, 
>> and the speed is 19200 BAUD. If that's not what you want, run adt 
>> configuration to change it.
>> Now run the PC program adt.exe. Choose the serial port and speed, and 
>> hit Connect. Once that's done, BRUNADT to start ADT on the Apple 
>> side. The program will not talk, but is very easy to use. I think at 
>> this point the status line on the PC should say it's connected.
>> Now to send a disk, put that disk in the drive and hit S, then type a 
>> filename, ending with .dsk is recommended, and hit Enter. The Apple 
>> should start reading the disk, and sending it. The disk image will be 
>> stored wherever adt.exe is, or in your current working directory.
>> When any operation completes, you'll hear a two-tone beep. If you 
>> hear this beep unexpectedly, it means there was some sort of error. 
>> If you send a disk, and the drive spins for a few seconds then 
>> nothing happens, and you don't hear the beep, there's probably a 
>> communication problem. I think the program will prevent you from 
>> overwriting an existing file on the PC.
>> To receive a disk, first be very, very sure the disk in the drive 
>> doesn't contain anything valuable. It also must have been 
>> initialized. ADT gives you absolutely no warnings about erasing data, 
>> it assumes you know what you are doing. Type R, enter a filename, and 
>> hit Enter. The disk will spin for a bit, then the PC will start 
>> sending the disk image in chunks, and the Apple will write it to the 
>> disk. Absolutely everything that was on the disk will be totally 
>> destroyed and overwritten with the new material.
>> If the drive just spins for a bit, then you hear a beep, that 
>> probably means that file doesn't exist in the directory on the PC.
>> Remember that all disk transfer commands are from the Apple 
>> perspective. When you send, you are sending an image from the Apple 
>> to the PC. When you receive, you are receiving an image from the PC 
>> to the Apple.
>> To exit the program, just hit Q.
>> A few notes. This program uses data compression, so especially if a 
>> disk has a lot of empty space, it'll transfer more quickly. Also, all 
>> transfers are done in seven-track chunks, which means when sending, 
>> the Apple will read seven tracks, send them, read seven more tracks, 
>> send them, etc. When receiving, the reverse will happen.
>> I recommend keeping the ADT binary file and ADT CONFIGURATION 
>> Applesoft program in a safe place. If you lose it or accidentally 
>> overwrite it with something else, you'll have to do the whole 
>> bootstrapping process all over again.
>> If you have any questions, please let me know!
>> Hope this helps,
>> Jayson
>> On 10/6/2020 9:28 PM, Tiny Puppy-butchb wrote:
>>> Think I sent you a note saying aI wanted more info, not sure.  
>>> Anyhow, I hope the program on the apple end talks?  Also, I assume 
>>> I'll have to use terminal programs to move the program from this 
>>> computer to the 2 e?
>>> Thanks.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Jayson Smith <mailto:jaybird at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> *To:* Tiny Puppy-butchb <mailto:butchb at fairpoint.net> ; Apple 
>>> Discussions <mailto:blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2020 12:52 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] introduction
>>> Hi,
>>> You can transfer 5.25 inch disks formatted for either DOS 3.3 and 
>>> ProDOS, and which are not copy protected, using a program called 
>>> Apple Disk Transfer. The version I have requires a Super Serial card 
>>> in your Apple, and a Windows PC for the receiving side. I got Jeff 
>>> Weiss, who is on this list, set up with ADT a few years ago so he 
>>> could transfer all his Apple Talk magazine disks, which he did 
>>> successfully. If you want more info, just let me know.
>>> Jayson
>>> On 10/6/2020 1:01 AM, Tiny Puppy-butchb wrote:
>>>> I got some stuff downloaded that I run at the command prompt in 
>>>> windows.  As far as what I have on actual disks, it has been a long 
>>>> long time.  I did find kidnapped, which I use to play.  Haven't 
>>>> found stoneville manor yet.  I don't have a clue how to turn those 
>>>> disks into images.  I also have lots of eamon disks, beagle 
>>>> brothers stuff and things like that.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> *From:* A B <mailto:cmelloni at hotmail.com>
>>>> *To:* blindapple at bluegrasspals.com 
>>>> <mailto:blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2020 7:28 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] introduction
>>>> Welcome to the list. I'm curious to know the major titles you have 
>>>> in collection.
>>>> You can also find many apple2 related applications in the Asimov 
>>>> ftp server
>>>> https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* BlindApple <blindapple-bounces at bluegrasspals.com 
>>>> <mailto:blindapple-bounces at bluegrasspals.com>> on behalf of Tiny 
>>>> Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net <mailto:butchb at fairpoint.net>>
>>>> *Sent:* October 6, 2020 12:22 AM
>>>> *To:* blindapple at bluegrasspals.com 
>>>> <mailto:blindapple at bluegrasspals.com> 
>>>> <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com> <mailto:blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>> *Subject:* [Blindapple] introduction
>>>> Just joined this list.  My first computer was an apple 2 e which
>>>> I still have.  I plan on digging out my 2 e soon, still have the
>>>> disks as well as a ten meg prodos scsii external drive.  My 2 e
>>>> also has I think 8 meg of ram on a card that took 36 256k chips.
>>>> Looking forward to lots of old apple stuff.
>>>> Butch
>>>> butchb at fairpoint.net <mailto:butchb at fairpoint.net>
>>>> Butch Bussen
>>>> WA0VJR
>>>> node 3148
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