[Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction

Thu Oct 22 17:53:23 EDT 2020

It'd be cool if that were on the dropbox folder, or did I miss something?

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 2:41 PM Tiny Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net>
wrote:

> What is your private e-mail and I cand send you one if you want,  Not what
> versions of textalker are on it.  It will run on cricket or 2c I think and
> It may not have phonenumber
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Byron Stephens <bstephens122874 at shaw.ca>
> *To:* Blind Apple Discussions <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2020 3:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
>
> Dos 3.3 had so many games, and also the old version of textalker version
> 1.3 witch I like over the later versions. Every disk I had even back in the
> day that had textalker 3.1.3 I took it off and put the old textalker on
> them.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Joseph Norton <joseph.norton at gmail.com>
> *To:* Blind Apple Discussions <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:56 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
>
> Hi Butch:
>
> Glad you got it working.
>
> If you want to send one of them to my Gmail it should be able to take an
> attachment that size.
>
> I can let you know if everything went OK on this end.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 22, 2020, at 12:11 AM, Tiny Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net>
> wrote:
>
> 
> Well, I finally got it to work.  I'm not certain it was worth this hastle,
> but hated to give up.  I set switches as you suggested, also turned the
> jumper over so I could use a straight cable, although I don't think my null
> modem ones were the problem.  What I finally did was drag out an old
> windows copy of a program called secureterm.  It let me strip off the 8gh
> bit and also set a delay between lines.  That finally did the trick as far
> as the adp program went.  I tried and tried, but never could get the basic
> to transfer right.  It kept screwing up line numbers.  Once I got the other
> working, I did some apple images and also restored the adt123 disk so I now
> have the basic configuration program if I want it.  I am still looking for
> a lot of my apple disks, but do have prodos master, and dos 3.3, as well as
> a bunch of text games.  Still looking for my eamon disks.  I'll have to
> figure out where to put these if any one wants them.  I've fought this
> thing since last Friday.  Never did get the 2 c to work, they are just one
> strange computer.  One of mine won't even boot up.
>
> Thanks everyone for your help.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* A B <cmelloni at hotmail.com>
> *To:* Blind Apple Discussions <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
>
> Yes, switch 1 (SW1) is towards the front of the computer. switch 2 (SW2)
> is on its right side holding the super serial card with the component side
> facing you.
> The jumper block is towards the back of the computer.
> Despite ADTPro capability to setup the switches thought software in the
> Apple IIC, personally I've never succeeded to do so. For me. It only worked
> on IIe with super serial card
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* BlindApple <blindapple-bounces at bluegrasspals.com> on behalf of
> Tiny Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net>
> *Sent:* October 21, 2020 3:58 AM
> *To:* Blind Apple Discussions <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
>
> Thanks much.  I'm certain I set switches up properly, I assume bank 1 is
> toward front of computer and s1 is also toward the front?
> I tried several cables.  I also tried my 2c which I can't get to
> communicate at all.  I ordered the 2 c serial cable from the page you
> mentioned, but I suspect it is meant for com 2, which is where the cricket
> has to plug in.  I also have another 2 e which I'll drag out just to see if
> something there is strange.  Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* A B <cmelloni at hotmail.com>
> *To:* Apple Discussions <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 20, 2020 8:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
>
> Based on your description, it seems you have a setup issue. A few
> suggestions from the ADTPro website:
> 1) Check the serial cable. There are two types of cables: straight-through
> or of the null modem. You need to setup your serial card jumper block
> accordingly
> 2) Check the position of the terminal block jumper on the card:
> for straight-through cable, the terminal block should point down. For
> null-modem cable, the terminal block should point Up
> 2) Check the position of the card switch SW1 and SW2. They should be setup
> as SW1: 1001111  SW2: 1101100. Where 0 means off, down, or open, and 1
> means on, up, or closed.
>
> More details in https://www.adtpro.com/connectionsserial.html
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* BlindApple <blindapple-bounces at bluegrasspals.com> on behalf of
> Jayson Smith <jaybird at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Sent:* October 20, 2020 9:42 AM
> *To:* Apple Discussions <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Subject:* [Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> This message was supposed to go to the list, but the poster wrote to me
> privately instead.
>
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Blindapple] introduction
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:33:13 -0600
> From: Tiny Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net> <butchb at fairpoint.net>
> To: Jayson Smith <jaybird at bluegrasspals.com> <jaybird at bluegrasspals.com>
>
> I've written Jayson off list, and he suggested I write to the list.  I
> have followed the  instructions according to the manual using a super
> serial card set as manual says.  When trying to send any program to the
> apple, I get a ton of beeps and nothing is saved.  I ran a terminal program
> on the windows box and am able to send say a catalog command to the apple,
> but I get garbage back.  Kind of reminds me of when we had characters with
> 8th bit on.  I've fought this thing all week end.  I've tried 3 different
> windows boxes.  I only have the one super serial card, so have ordered
> another one on ebay.  I also dug out my 2 c with a cricket synthesizer, and
> can't get the computers to talk to each other no matter what I do.  The
> cricket has to be in com 2 so I'm using com 1.  Trying to set baud and such
> with either ctrl a or ctrl i commands and running through all baud settings
> in teraterm, I can't get machines to communicate at all.  Tried a null
> movem with no luck either.  I can't figure what I'm missing.  I'm using the
> files Jayson sent.
>
> Thanks.
> I've fought this thing for so many hours, I'm forgetting what all I've
> tried.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jayson Smith <jaybird at bluegrasspals.com>
> *To:* Tiny Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net> ; Apple Discussions
> <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2020 8:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] introduction
>
> Hi,
>
> Putting this on the list in case anyone else wants to give ADT a go.
>
> Okay, here is ADT.
> http://bluegrasspals.com/adt.zip
> When you unzip it, you'll find several files, as follows:
>
> adt.asm: Assembly source code for Apple II ADT program
> adt.dmp: ADT Apple program, hex dump to be sent to the Apple
> adt.exe: ADT Windows program, what you run on the PC
> adt123.dsk: ADT Apple disk image
> Adtcfg.bas: Dump of an Applesoft program to configure ADT, send this to
> the Apple
> adtn.dmp: Same as adt.dmp but without line feeds for terminal programs
> that can't strip them
> adtn_dmp_info.txt: Info about dump files
> ADT_doc.txt: ADT documentation
> GPL.TXT: Gnu General Public License
> Manual.txt: Complete ADT manual
> readme.txt: Brief Readme for ADT
>
> To get started, boot up a DOS 3.3 disk, disable Textalker with Ctrl-E, O
> if necessary, then have a disk in slot 6, drive 1, with plenty of free
> space. Then, follow the instructions in manual.txt to establish
> communication between your Apple and PC and send either adt.dmp, or if your
> comm program can't strip line feeds, adtn.dmp. At the end of the process it
> should save a binary file called ADT and leave you at an Applesoft prompt.
>
> Then, use the same procedure to send adtcfg.bas to your Apple, and it
> should save as an Applesoft program called ADT CONFIGURATION.
>
> The default configuration on the Apple side is that disks read or written
> are in slot 6, drive 1. The Super Serial card is in slot 2, and the speed
> is 19200 BAUD. If that's not what you want, run adt configuration to change
> it.
>
> Now run the PC program adt.exe. Choose the serial port and speed, and hit
> Connect. Once that's done, BRUNADT to start ADT on the Apple side. The
> program will not talk, but is very easy to use. I think at this point the
> status line on the PC should say it's connected.
>
> Now to send a disk, put that disk in the drive and hit S, then type a
> filename, ending with .dsk is recommended, and hit Enter. The Apple should
> start reading the disk, and sending it. The disk image will be stored
> wherever adt.exe is, or in your current working directory.
>
> When any operation completes, you'll hear a two-tone beep. If you hear
> this beep unexpectedly, it means there was some sort of error. If you send
> a disk, and the drive spins for a few seconds then nothing happens, and you
> don't hear the beep, there's probably a communication problem. I think the
> program will prevent you from overwriting an existing file on the PC.
>
> To receive a disk, first be very, very sure the disk in the drive doesn't
> contain anything valuable. It also must have been initialized. ADT gives
> you absolutely no warnings about erasing data, it assumes you know what you
> are doing. Type R, enter a filename, and hit Enter. The disk will spin for
> a bit, then the PC will start sending the disk image in chunks, and the
> Apple will write it to the disk. Absolutely everything that was on the disk
> will be totally destroyed and overwritten with the new material.
>
> If the drive just spins for a bit, then you hear a beep, that probably
> means that file doesn't exist in the directory on the PC.
>
> Remember that all disk transfer commands are from the Apple perspective.
> When you send, you are sending an image from the Apple to the PC. When you
> receive, you are receiving an image from the PC to the Apple.
>
> To exit the program, just hit Q.
>
> A few notes. This program uses data compression, so especially if a disk
> has a lot of empty space, it'll transfer more quickly. Also, all transfers
> are done in seven-track chunks, which means when sending, the Apple will
> read seven tracks, send them, read seven more tracks, send them, etc. When
> receiving, the reverse will happen.
>
> I recommend keeping the ADT binary file and ADT CONFIGURATION Applesoft
> program in a safe place. If you lose it or accidentally overwrite it with
> something else, you'll have to do the whole bootstrapping process all over
> again.
>
> If you have any questions, please let me know!
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jayson
>
> On 10/6/2020 9:28 PM, Tiny Puppy-butchb wrote:
>
> Think I sent you a note saying aI wanted more info, not sure.  Anyhow, I
> hope the program on the apple end talks?  Also, I assume I'll have to use
> terminal programs to move the program from this computer to the 2 e?
> Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jayson Smith <jaybird at bluegrasspals.com>
> *To:* Tiny Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net> ; Apple Discussions
> <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2020 12:52 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] introduction
>
> Hi,
>
> You can transfer 5.25 inch disks formatted for either DOS 3.3 and ProDOS,
> and which are not copy protected, using a program called Apple Disk
> Transfer. The version I have requires a Super Serial card in your Apple,
> and a Windows PC for the receiving side. I got Jeff Weiss, who is on this
> list, set up with ADT a few years ago so he could transfer all his Apple
> Talk magazine disks, which he did successfully. If you want more info, just
> let me know.
>
> Jayson
>
> On 10/6/2020 1:01 AM, Tiny Puppy-butchb wrote:
>
> I got some stuff downloaded that I run at the command prompt in windows.
> As far as what I have on actual disks, it has been a long long time.  I did
> find kidnapped, which I use to play.  Haven't found stoneville manor yet.
> I don't have a clue how to turn those disks into images.  I also have lots
> of eamon disks, beagle brothers stuff and things like that.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* A B <cmelloni at hotmail.com>
> *To:* blindapple at bluegrasspals.com
> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2020 7:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] introduction
>
> Welcome to the list. I'm curious to know the major titles you have in
> collection.
> You can also find many apple2 related applications in the Asimov ftp server
> https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* BlindApple <blindapple-bounces at bluegrasspals.com> on behalf of
> Tiny Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net>
> *Sent:* October 6, 2020 12:22 AM
> *To:* blindapple at bluegrasspals.com <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Subject:* [Blindapple] introduction
>
> Just joined this list.  My first computer was an apple 2 e which
> I still have.  I plan on digging out my 2 e soon, still have the
> disks as well as a ten meg prodos scsii external drive.  My 2 e
> also has I think 8 meg of ram on a card that took 36 256k chips.
> Looking forward to lots of old apple stuff.
> Butch
>
> butchb at fairpoint.net
> Butch Bussen
> WA0VJR
> node 3148
>
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