[Blindapple] Fwd: Re: introduction

Jayson Smith jaybird at bluegrasspals.com
Tue Oct 20 05:42:28 EDT 2020


This message was supposed to go to the list, but the poster wrote to me 
privately instead.

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Subject: 	Re: [Blindapple] introduction
Date: 	Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:33:13 -0600
From: 	Tiny Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net>
To: 	Jayson Smith <jaybird at bluegrasspals.com>

I've written Jayson off list, and he suggested I write to the list.  I 
have followed the  instructions according to the manual using a super 
serial card set as manual says.  When trying to send any program to the 
apple, I get a ton of beeps and nothing is saved.  I ran a terminal 
program on the windows box and am able to send say a catalog command to 
the apple, but I get garbage back.  Kind of reminds me of when we had 
characters with 8th bit on.  I've fought this thing all week end.  I've 
tried 3 different windows boxes.  I only have the one super serial card, 
so have ordered another one on ebay.  I also dug out my 2 c with a 
cricket synthesizer, and can't get the computers to talk to each other 
no matter what I do.  The cricket has to be in com 2 so I'm using com 
1.  Trying to set baud and such with either ctrl a or ctrl i commands 
and running through all baud settings in teraterm, I can't get machines 
to communicate at all.  Tried a null movem with no luck either.  I can't 
figure what I'm missing.  I'm using the files Jayson sent.
I've fought this thing for so many hours, I'm forgetting what all I've 
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jayson Smith <mailto:jaybird at bluegrasspals.com>
*To:* Tiny Puppy-butchb <mailto:butchb at fairpoint.net> ; Apple 
Discussions <mailto:blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2020 8:26 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] introduction


Putting this on the list in case anyone else wants to give ADT a go.

Okay, here is ADT.
When you unzip it, you'll find several files, as follows:

adt.asm: Assembly source code for Apple II ADT program
adt.dmp: ADT Apple program, hex dump to be sent to the Apple
adt.exe: ADT Windows program, what you run on the PC
adt123.dsk: ADT Apple disk image
Adtcfg.bas: Dump of an Applesoft program to configure ADT, send this to 
the Apple
adtn.dmp: Same as adt.dmp but without line feeds for terminal programs 
that can't strip them
adtn_dmp_info.txt: Info about dump files
ADT_doc.txt: ADT documentation
GPL.TXT: Gnu General Public License
Manual.txt: Complete ADT manual
readme.txt: Brief Readme for ADT

To get started, boot up a DOS 3.3 disk, disable Textalker with Ctrl-E, O 
if necessary, then have a disk in slot 6, drive 1, with plenty of free 
space. Then, follow the instructions in manual.txt to establish 
communication between your Apple and PC and send either adt.dmp, or if 
your comm program can't strip line feeds, adtn.dmp. At the end of the 
process it should save a binary file called ADT and leave you at an 
Applesoft prompt.

Then, use the same procedure to send adtcfg.bas to your Apple, and it 
should save as an Applesoft program called ADT CONFIGURATION.

The default configuration on the Apple side is that disks read or 
written are in slot 6, drive 1. The Super Serial card is in slot 2, and 
the speed is 19200 BAUD. If that's not what you want, run adt 
configuration to change it.

Now run the PC program adt.exe. Choose the serial port and speed, and 
hit Connect. Once that's done, BRUNADT to start ADT on the Apple side. 
The program will not talk, but is very easy to use. I think at this 
point the status line on the PC should say it's connected.

Now to send a disk, put that disk in the drive and hit S, then type a 
filename, ending with .dsk is recommended, and hit Enter. The Apple 
should start reading the disk, and sending it. The disk image will be 
stored wherever adt.exe is, or in your current working directory.

When any operation completes, you'll hear a two-tone beep. If you hear 
this beep unexpectedly, it means there was some sort of error. If you 
send a disk, and the drive spins for a few seconds then nothing happens, 
and you don't hear the beep, there's probably a communication problem. I 
think the program will prevent you from overwriting an existing file on 
the PC.

To receive a disk, first be very, very sure the disk in the drive 
doesn't contain anything valuable. It also must have been initialized. 
ADT gives you absolutely no warnings about erasing data, it assumes you 
know what you are doing. Type R, enter a filename, and hit Enter. The 
disk will spin for a bit, then the PC will start sending the disk image 
in chunks, and the Apple will write it to the disk. Absolutely 
everything that was on the disk will be totally destroyed and 
overwritten with the new material.

If the drive just spins for a bit, then you hear a beep, that probably 
means that file doesn't exist in the directory on the PC.

Remember that all disk transfer commands are from the Apple perspective. 
When you send, you are sending an image from the Apple to the PC. When 
you receive, you are receiving an image from the PC to the Apple.

To exit the program, just hit Q.

A few notes. This program uses data compression, so especially if a disk 
has a lot of empty space, it'll transfer more quickly. Also, all 
transfers are done in seven-track chunks, which means when sending, the 
Apple will read seven tracks, send them, read seven more tracks, send 
them, etc. When receiving, the reverse will happen.

I recommend keeping the ADT binary file and ADT CONFIGURATION Applesoft 
program in a safe place. If you lose it or accidentally overwrite it 
with something else, you'll have to do the whole bootstrapping process 
all over again.

If you have any questions, please let me know!
Hope this helps,


On 10/6/2020 9:28 PM, Tiny Puppy-butchb wrote:
> Think I sent you a note saying aI wanted more info, not sure.  Anyhow, 
> I hope the program on the apple end talks? Also, I assume I'll have to 
> use terminal programs to move the program from this computer to the 2 e?
> Thanks.
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jayson Smith <mailto:jaybird at bluegrasspals.com>
> *To:* Tiny Puppy-butchb <mailto:butchb at fairpoint.net> ; Apple 
> Discussions <mailto:blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2020 12:52 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] introduction
> Hi,
> You can transfer 5.25 inch disks formatted for either DOS 3.3 and 
> ProDOS, and which are not copy protected, using a program called Apple 
> Disk Transfer. The version I have requires a Super Serial card in your 
> Apple, and a Windows PC for the receiving side. I got Jeff Weiss, who 
> is on this list, set up with ADT a few years ago so he could transfer 
> all his Apple Talk magazine disks, which he did successfully. If you 
> want more info, just let me know.
> Jayson
> On 10/6/2020 1:01 AM, Tiny Puppy-butchb wrote:
>> I got some stuff downloaded that I run at the command prompt in 
>> windows.  As far as what I have on actual disks, it has been a long 
>> long time.  I did find kidnapped, which I use to play.  Haven't found 
>> stoneville manor yet.  I don't have a clue how to turn those disks 
>> into images.  I also have lots of eamon disks, beagle brothers stuff 
>> and things like that.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* A B <mailto:cmelloni at hotmail.com>
>> *To:* blindapple at bluegrasspals.com <mailto:blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 05, 2020 7:28 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Blindapple] introduction
>> Welcome to the list. I'm curious to know the major titles you have in 
>> collection.
>> You can also find many apple2 related applications in the Asimov ftp 
>> server
>> https://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/
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>> *From:* BlindApple <blindapple-bounces at bluegrasspals.com 
>> <mailto:blindapple-bounces at bluegrasspals.com>> on behalf of Tiny 
>> Puppy-butchb <butchb at fairpoint.net <mailto:butchb at fairpoint.net>>
>> *Sent:* October 6, 2020 12:22 AM
>> *To:* blindapple at bluegrasspals.com <blindapple at bluegrasspals.com>
>> *Subject:* [Blindapple] introduction
>> Just joined this list.  My first computer was an apple 2 e which
>> I still have.  I plan on digging out my 2 e soon, still have the
>> disks as well as a ten meg prodos scsii external drive.  My 2 e
>> also has I think 8 meg of ram on a card that took 36 256k chips.
>> Looking forward to lots of old apple stuff.
>> Butch
>> butchb at fairpoint.net
>> Butch Bussen
>> node 3148
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