<div dir="ltr">I hope Jamie and I can converge our efforts sooner than later, but both projects are a labor of love and time, so you know how those go!<div><br><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:49 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rwp@bluegrasspals.com" target="_blank">rwp@bluegrasspals.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">One thing to keep in mind is that the approach CakeTalking and JSonar<br>
both use loosely represents Sonars GUI. Bringing the same layout over<br>
to Reaper could probably be done, but it'd mean we were using a<br>
totally different layout to anyone who's using Reaper without a screen<br>
reader. I wouldn't be keen on this, mostly because there are people<br>
out there who use magnification alongside their screen reader, and<br>
they wouldn't know whether they were coming or going.<br>
<br>
On a vaguely related note, does anyone here make heavy use of that<br>
virtual view thingy you get when you press tab with a track or item<br>
selected? Personally I haven't ever seen the point of it, but I've<br>
never been sure whether that's because I'm being reluctant to use an<br>
alternative interface.<br>
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On 2/4/15, Jayson Smith via RWP <<a href="mailto:rwp@bluegrasspals.com">rwp@bluegrasspals.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> You won't get any argument from me on those points. Not to mention that<br>
> CakeTalking requires probably the most expensive screen reader on the<br>
> market, and unless something recent has happened, hasn't been updated in<br>
> a while, because of major changes made to Sonar itself. However, for my<br>
> DAW, that is what I use, but I always welcome alternatives. When Reaper<br>
> and ReaAccess first came on the scene, I played with it, but really<br>
> couldn't get into it. Hopefully that will change.<br>
> Jayson<br>
><br>
> On 2/4/2015 7:13 AM, Hrvoje Katić via RWP wrote:<br>
>> Yep, but CakeTalking costs too much as well as Sonar. Reaper is far<br>
>> more cheap and accessibility solution is freeware.<br>
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>> 4.2.2015. u 13:04, Jayson Smith via RWP je napisao/la:<br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I, too, would be in favor of single-key commands for the most common<br>
>>> actions. Cake Talking for Sonar, which is for me the gold standard of<br>
>>> DAW accessibility, uses single-key commands for the most common<br>
>>> actions. Mute, solo, arm, etc. And it has a standard view where you<br>
>>> use up/down to move between tracks, and left/right to move between<br>
>>> parameters on a track such as name, mute, solo, arm, volume, pan, etc.<br>
>>><br>
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>>> On 2/4/2015 3:37 AM, Hrvoje Katić via RWP wrote:<br>
>>>> Well, personally I don't like default Reaper keymap. Some important<br>
>>>> actions are not assigned to any keystroke by default (move by beats<br>
>>>> and bars is a good example), and you have to hold control and alt<br>
>>>> while navigating tracks with up and down arrow, and also<br>
>>>> control+alt+arrow keys have a conflict with some graphics drivers<br>
>>>> where these keystrokes are assigned to rotate screen.<br>
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>>>> 4.2.2015. u 0:44, Zack Benton via RWP je napisao/la:<br>
>>>>> Agreed, I admit that the re access keymap is a bit harder to learn.<br>
>>>>> On 2/3/2015 18:16, James Teh via RWP wrote:<br>
>>>>>> Anyway, I didn't mean to start a debate on what is "best";<br>
>>>>>> everyone has their preferences. My point is that if even I (as the<br>
>>>>>> primary author) am using something different to the ReaAccess key<br>
>>>>>> map, I'd be very reluctant to include a ReaAccess based key map as<br>
>>>>>> the default. At the very least, that key map is harder to learn<br>
>>>>>> initially. This is why I haven't included a key map at all at this<br>
>>>>>> point. Perhaps we could include a ReaAccess key map as an option,<br>
>>>>>> but I'm reluctant to make it a "default".<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Jamie<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 4/02/2015 7:19 AM, Scott Chesworth via RWP wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> I have alien length fingers, so this might not work for everyone,<br>
>>>>>>> but<br>
>>>>>>> I've found non-separated F keys a lot easier since I started<br>
>>>>>>> treating<br>
>>>>>>> them as an extra row rather than counting along them. The experience<br>
>>>>>>> is a little different from laptop to laptop, but with a wee bit of<br>
>>>>>>> practice to get the muscle memory locked in I can comfortably hit<br>
>>>>>>> mute, solo, arm, phase etc without leaving the touch typing position<br>
>>>>>>> or counting. This is coming from someone who fought pretty hard<br>
>>>>>>> against those keys being used for those functions in the first<br>
>>>>>>> place,<br>
>>>>>>> so I guess you could say I'm converted now.<br>
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