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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The closest thing to a turnkey solution for a daw
out there now that has comprehensive tutorials, and a way to do most things you
want to do</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>is caketalking from dancing dots for cakewalk sonar
8.5.3 on windows,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>and then some third party devs have
made</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>synths accessible with hsc for kontak libraries,
and </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>other high end synths, some of this has trickled
over to reaper,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>but more of it is available on the sonar
side.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I use both reaper and sonar, and like them each for
different reasons, I tend to like reaper for an out and out audio editor for
cross-fading and post production stuff,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>sonar's audio editing is kind of clunky, but it's
midi editing is great.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>But technically you can do everything with both
daws.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Much more work has been done on the sonar side
though because it was what most of us used for years and years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>re-access is considered abandon ware now, and isn't
being developed anymore.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Caketalking just released it's last update for
sonar 8.5.3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>and there are rumors of a script package for sonar
x3, but nothing for sure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The interface changed so much that it's basically
gonna take a whole re-write.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Some over here are using later versions of
reaper,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>and using re-access with work arounds, but most I
think are more audio guys than midi guys.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We've got a few pioneers in different camps, I know
of one cubass user who hired a programmer to make things accessible for
him,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>a couple of protools users,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>it all depends on how fast you need to get up to
speed and what your goals are.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Reaper holds lots of promise, and some are working
being productive with it and making money,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>but there is no fixed way for a blind person to
grab a tutorial, and or buy a lesson plan, and get there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Perhaps some of the advanced users here would give
lessons for hire, and; you could get them to teach you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Good luck.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=keithint1234@gmail.com href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">Keith
Hinton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rwp@reaaccess.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 30, 2013 6:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RWP] Help with Sinth
VSTs</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR>I wanted to point outsomething important about you buyig
a Mac if<BR>that's something you intend to do.<BR>The example applications
we'll use are Apple's GarageBand and Logic<BR>software, but you need to
understand that not everything is sighted<BR>help free, even on OS
X.<BR>Basicly, GarageBand used to be useable, we had effects,
compressors,<BR>and other things we could apply to music/audio.<BR>However,
when Logic ten and GarageBand ten came out (total software<BR>rewrites), the
effects, compressors, amp moddlers, and so on,<BR>disappeared as far as
Voiceover goes. Why? Because, Apple, much like<BR>how this has been the case
for Windows apps for years requiring<BR>scripting as a result, has been
visually making the interfaces<BR>"visually appealing.".<BR>This means, that
amongst other things, all the controls are<BR>non-standard, so VoiceOver will
ever find them. They actually<BR>digitally made BitMap nobs and other nice
visually appealing graphic<BR>icons for things in GarageBand, but this also
means they have done the<BR>same for the effects and compresors, etc.<BR>We
are left quite literally pounding button after button after button<BR>after
button, hoping to hell things happen when they happen, etc, as<BR>of the
rewrite.<BR>The fact of the matter is, only sighted folks are having no
trouble<BR>with the latest Logic or GarageBand programs on OS X
respectively.<BR>And you'll be stuck with this horrible rewrite of an
application, as<BR>it ships on all new Macs with OS X 10.9.<BR>Most of the
keyboard shortcuts do not speak anymore, either as of the<BR>GarageBand ten
release rewrite either.<BR>Conflicting reports exist for logic, but I'm just
pointing out that if<BR>you don't think that sighted help isn't also an issue
on OS X, do not<BR>be so sure of what you say before thinking about it
first.<BR>Voiceover isn't all it's cracked up to be necessarily, depending
on<BR>the circumstances in witch you use it.<BR>there will always be an
application that you or I cannot access<BR>without sighted help to what extent
depends on how many nonstandard<BR>controls were used.<BR>I'm predicting that
someday, scripting heavily around badly coded<BR>interfaces for OS X
applications somehow will be the norm in the<BR>future.<BR>Just some
interesting thoughts to consider.<BR><BR><BR>On 12/30/13, Crystal Dennis
<<A
href="mailto:valkyriecelesyt@gmail.com">valkyriecelesyt@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>> Thanks for all the help guys. I've been having issues
with accessing<BR>> the preference windows even with the JAWS cursors and
clicking star<BR>> and everything, and putting graphics on read all didn't
do anything in<BR>> Eastwest. I wasn't aware that this would be an
issue with sinths, so<BR>> I am a little sad because I wanted to really use
some orchestra<BR>> sinths: The accessible ones I have right now are
more dance sinths (I<BR>> have z3TA plus) I am currently on the hunt for
any accessible<BR>> orchestra sinths, so any help with that would be
appreciated. I'm<BR>> also debating having a sighted friend just set
it up for me, but it's<BR>> ashame that that has to be the solution to
these sorts of problems<BR>> other than just buying a mac that has more on
board accessibility lol.<BR>><BR>> I will continue
troubleshooting/testing sinths though, thanks everyone!<BR>><BR>> On
12/29/13, Indigo <<A
href="mailto:33indigo@charter.net">33indigo@charter.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>>> Jackie, I once experimented with enabling audio devices and
midi devices<BR>>> in Reaper with Wineyes 6.1, Jaws 10 and NVDA
2012.<BR>>> The method was very similar in each for routing disabled
over to the<BR>>> number pad, focusing on it there, then pressing the
star key for a right<BR>>> click to bring up the configuration
dialog.<BR>>> I don't think its either easier or more difficult with any
of those, and<BR>>> I didn't find any impossible moves in Reaper for
those particular<BR>>> screenreaders.<BR>>><BR>>> For making
VST synths play that don't easily display their presets, I<BR>>> found
it was hit and miss as to which screenreader displayed what<BR>>>
interface parameters.<BR>>> Wineyes previous and next clip is the most
useful screenreader move I<BR>>> found for locating elusive interface
icons, but I'm not skilled enough<BR>>> in Jaws to utilize all its
potential in its numPad cursors, nor did I<BR>>> ever learn to use its
OCR function.<BR>>> I don't know if anyone has yet found all that NVDA's
object navigation<BR>>> can do, and I'm constantly surprised at what I
can read with NVDA.<BR>>> On this online surfing computer I now have
only NVDA and Google Chrome,<BR>>> which together move like a lightening
boltaround web pages.<BR>>> Reaper itself dumps all automatable
parameters is an awkward to use<BR>>> list, but I never found any of
those listed parameters useful to get an<BR>>> uncooperative synth to
expose its presets, so you can play them.<BR>>> Either by accident when
roaming around the interface and left clicking,<BR>>> or with sighted
help, I've got preset inc and dec arrows located, in<BR>>> several
synths, like NI's Massive, FM8 and Absynth 5, plus Zebra, Nexus,<BR>>>
and others; and found ways to get back to those preset buttons, which
is<BR>>> at least miminal access.<BR>>> With as many accessible
VST synths that are available, like Z3TA, which<BR>>> readily exposes
all its presets, same with Gladiator,Firebird, and many<BR>>> others,
one could say why frustrate oneself with uncooperative synths.<BR>>>
Still, some synths sound so beautiful we get sucked into
unraveling<BR>>> their puzzle.<BR>>> With me it's Camel Audio's
Alchemy, which I have been working on for a<BR>>> couple of years
now.<BR>>> Novation's AutoMap has been a blessing at getting every
parameter of VST<BR>>> plugs onto hardware knobs and buttons, but it is
no help at finding and<BR>>> navigating interface menus, dialogs, and
other bit map screen monkey<BR>>> puzzles one needs for total
access.<BR>>> Indi <BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On 12/28/2013
4:31 PM, Jackie McBride wrote:<BR>>>> Unfortunately, Jaws 10 is
pretty old & may not be picking up on stuff<BR>>>> it needs to
pick up on. Having said that, though, Crystall, there are<BR>>>> some
settings I'd advise u to change in Jaws. First, u should
consider<BR>>>> setting graphics to all--not labeled, &
definitively not none. Also,<BR>>>> try going into your verbosity
preferences & check to read the<BR>>>> tooltips. Lastly, try
seeing what happens if u set jaws to follow pc.<BR>>>> U might get
some tooltips to read & be able to figure out what some of<BR>>>>
those unlabeled graphics do, & then u can label 'em. Unset that
option<BR>>>> when you're done, though, or it'll drive u absolutely
nutso.<BR>>>><BR>>>> U might also try NVDA & see if that
provides any better results.<BR>>>><BR>>>> On 12/28/13,
Crystal Dennis <<A
href="mailto:valkyriecelesyt@gmail.com">valkyriecelesyt@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> I feel like that may be the problem: I have
gone into the preferences<BR>>>>> dialogues and can only see very
sparce things with the JAWS cursor.<BR>>>>> In that case:
Does anyone know an accessible set of orchestra sinths<BR>>>>> I
can test out?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> On 12/28/13, Gianluca
Apollaro <<A
href="mailto:gianluca.apollaro88@gmail.com">gianluca.apollaro88@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>> Hi list,<BR>>>>>> if some synths
are working and some other arn't it probably means
that<BR>>>>>> the not working ones have a non accessible
interface and that you have<BR>>>>>> to click on some graphics
to make them load their sounds.<BR>>>>>>
Hth,<BR>>>>>> Best regards,<BR>>>>>> Gianluca
from Italy.<BR>>>>>> Skype Id:
gianluca8815<BR>>>>>> Il 28/12/2013 04:46, Crystal Dennis ha
scritto:<BR>>>>>>> Yeah and every other sinth is working, so
I'm wondering if I should<BR>>>>>>> just try another package
until I find one that
works...<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> On 12/27/13,
Drew <<A href="mailto:amockery@gmail.com">amockery@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>> That is very odd. "Default" is, well,
the default--in other words<BR>>>>>>>>
it's<BR>>>>>>>> a<BR>>>>>>>>
shortcut that points to whatever you've set as your default
device.<BR>>>>>>>> If<BR>>>>>>>>
there<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> are no
devices, that's meaningless. You must have some sound
device<BR>>>>>>>> otherwise you would not be able to hear
JAWS, but for it to not show<BR>>>>>>>>
up<BR>>>>>>>> is<BR>>>>>>>> quite
strange.<BR>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>>>>> From: "Crystal Dennis" <<A
href="mailto:valkyriecelesyt@gmail.com">valkyriecelesyt@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>>>>>>
To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <<A
href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">rwp@reaaccess.com</A>><BR>>>>>>>>
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 7:16 PM<BR>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: [RWP] Help with Sinth
VSTs<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
When I pull down the sound device menus I
have:<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Primary Sound capture driver -- when Direct Sound is
selected<BR>>>>>>>>> Microsoft Sound Mapper -- When
Wave out is
selected.<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
those are the only 2 sound devices that show up and on midi I
have:<BR>>>>>>>>> Microsoft Wavable Sinth Disabled (I
tried right clicking and no<BR>>>>>>>>>
menus<BR>>>>>>>>> came up at all....I'm also using
JAWS
10)<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
The only things I can't get working are the sound libraries, and
I<BR>>>>>>>>> feel like there's something vital that
I'm missing due to my<BR>>>>>>>>> newbe-ness in this
subject....sorry if this is too many
questions!<BR>>>>>>>>> But all I get are drop down
menus in preferences, no way to right<BR>>>>>>>>>
click anything even with the JAWS
cursor<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>
On 12/27/13, Indigo <<A
href="mailto:33indigo@charter.net">33indigo@charter.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>> Crystal, do you have a sound
card that you installed into your<BR>>>>>>>>>>
computer,<BR>>>>>>>>>> or is there only the
RealTech sound chip?<BR>>>>>>>>>> If you have a
third-party soundcard installed, or just
RealTech,<BR>>>>>>>>>>
you<BR>>>>>>>>>> need to get it recognized in
Reaper's preferences.<BR>>>>>>>>>> You can play VST
synths using the RealTech chip, but with
large<BR>>>>>>>>>>
delay<BR>>>>>>>>>>
or<BR>>>>>>>>>> latency; between the moment you hit
the note on the keyboard and<BR>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>> moment you hear the
note.<BR>>>>>>>>>> To get either your installed
soundcard or the built in RealTech<BR>>>>>>>>>>
chip<BR>>>>>>>>>> enabled, press
ctrl+P.<BR>>>>>>>>>> Then navigate to
audio.<BR>>>>>>>>>> Then tab down to the field that
shows either your soundcard, or<BR>>>>>>>>>>
RealTech, and get enabled; instead of Disabled, after its name;
by<BR>>>>>>>>>> routing focus to the number
pad.<BR>>>>>>>>>> The method will depend on your
screenreader, but it's similar in<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Wineyes, Jaws and NVDA.<BR>>>>>>>>>> Then focus at
the numPad on the soundcard's name, or
Disabled.<BR>>>>>>>>>> Then right click at the
number
pad<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
The Configure Dialog should appear.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Press enter on the Configure Dialog, and when it opens,
place<BR>>>>>>>>>>
checkmarks<BR>>>>>>>>>> on use as audio device,
etcetera.<BR>>>>>>>>>> Then arrow down to Midi
Device and follow the same procedure
for<BR>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>> inputs and outputs for
midi.<BR>>>>>>>>>> Get Disabled routed over to the
number Pad, then focus on the<BR>>>>>>>>>>
soundcard's name or Disabled, then right click and you should
get<BR>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>> midi configuration
Dialog.<BR>>>>>>>>>> Hit enter on
it.<BR>>>>>>>>>> When it opens, place checkmarks
with your spacebar on Use as midi<BR>>>>>>>>>>
device, etcetera.<BR>>>>>>>>>> Then tab down to OK
and hit enter, and you'll be taken back to
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>
track<BR>>>>>>>>>>
view.<BR>>>>>>>>>> To get a synth to load, you need
to install it in a folder, or<BR>>>>>>>>>>
copy/paste its .dll into a folder, so Reaper can find
it.<BR>>>>>>>>>> I keep all VST's in C:\Program
Files\Steinberg\VSTPlugins which,<BR>>>>>>>>>>
if<BR>>>>>>>>>>
I<BR>>>>>>>>>> typed it correctly, is the exact
path to my synths folder.<BR>>>>>>>>>> To type in
the path to where you are keeping VST plugIns,
press<BR>>>>>>>>>>
ctrl+P,<BR>>>>>>>>>> then arrow down to VST, then
tab down to where Reaper asks you to<BR>>>>>>>>>>
type<BR>>>>>>>>>> in a path to your VST
plugIns.<BR>>>>>>>>>> Same here as when getting a
soundcard enabled, be sure to click<BR>>>>>>>>>>
enter<BR>>>>>>>>>>
on<BR>>>>>>>>>> OK before
exiting.<BR>>>>>>>>>> To load a synth, press the
letter F while on a selected track and<BR>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>> load dialog
opens.<BR>>>>>>>>>> Navigate with tab and arrows to
the desired plugIn and hit enter<BR>>>>>>>>>>
on<BR>>>>>>>>>>
it,<BR>>>>>>>>>> and it loads to the selected
track.<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
Now, while arrowed to the track with the loaded plug, tab
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>
you'll<BR>>>>>>>>>>
get<BR>>>>>>>>>> various recording
options.<BR>>>>>>>>>> Set monitor to Normal with
your arrow keys, so you can hear the<BR>>>>>>>>>>
synth<BR>>>>>>>>>>
play.<BR>>>>>>>>>> Be sure to hit enter to keep
your settings.<BR>>>>>>>>>> I can't tell you what
to set as the recording source, since
I've<BR>>>>>>>>>>
never<BR>>>>>>>>>> used the virtual keyboard, and
have no idea how to set up a synth<BR>>>>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>>> play from virtual
keyboard.<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Sorry,<BR>>>>>>>>>>
Indi<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
On 12/26/2013 7:52 PM, Crystal Dennis
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again! I seriously
need some help, so hopefully I came to
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>> right place
:)<BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
I have been using reaper for awhile, and I recently wanted
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
start<BR>>>>>>>>>>> composing my own music
tracks with instrument sinths. I'm
using<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
the<BR>>>>>>>>>>> virtual keyboard, and have
downloaded a few sinth sets
but...I<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
have<BR>>>>>>>>>>> had this same problem with
all of them: They haven't
been<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
playing<BR>>>>>>>>>>> when I load the track into
reaper! Here's what I've been
doing:<BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
- Installing the software (I've tried Eastwest and
Miroslave<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Filharmonic with the
same results for both - no audio)<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
- Then I've tinkered with my audio device settings with
no<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
results.<BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Now I am very, very new with dealing with sinths, so my
questions<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
are:<BR>>>>>>>>>>> Do I
need some new software that reaper doesn't have?
I<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
don't<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
have<BR>>>>>>>>>>> any Aceo drivers, could that
be why? or does the Virtual<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Keyboard<BR>>>>>>>>>>> just not work for all
plugins...I've tried spicy guitar also
and<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
it<BR>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't play either.
Sound magics VSTs have worked for me,
but<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
that's<BR>>>>>>>>>>> about it really.
There's something that says 32 Out and 8
Out<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
next<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
to<BR>>>>>>>>>>> some of the files, what does
that mean? Are there any
other<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
orchestra<BR>>>>>>>>>>> sinth packs that work
better with Reaper I could try out?
I<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
really<BR>>>>>>>>>>> just want to get something
working because right now I have a
ton<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
of<BR>>>>>>>>>>> GB taken up with nothing to
show for it. So mainly I'm a
noob<BR>>>>>>>>>>>
with<BR>>>>>>>>>>> sinths who needs
help!<BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Sorry for this novel! Any help would be greatly appreciated
:)<BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
Crystal<BR>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>>
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