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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hey, that's cool, will have to check that
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I like aud.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dj.sonr@gmail.com href="mailto:dj.sonr@gmail.com">yRylan Vroom</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rwp@reaaccess.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 16, 2013 7:43
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RWP] good computer for
recording?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Well, it turns out you can get ASIO support in audasity, you
just have<BR>to steal part of Steinburg's SDK and compile audasity
yourself.<BR>Personally, I'm waiting for midi control to be implemented. I've
got a<BR>Behringer BCF2000 that'd work spendledly with aud<BR><BR>On 10/11/13,
Chris Belle <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>> wrote:<BR>>
OH good, hey if your just doing that sort of stuff, any old box will
do.<BR>><BR>> I don't even bother with asio when doing two track editing
with soundforge,<BR>> and am still using an older version for accessibility
sake.<BR>><BR>> I just didn't want newbies getting the wrong idea, I
didn't want to<BR>> disrespect your thoughts, just have been through this
and seen many folks<BR>> get burned by wrong ideas of what it takes to do
daw stuff, and since I<BR>> teach this stuff, it's sort of a religion with
me 'grin'.<BR>><BR>> I didn't really understand it till a few years
ago,<BR>> but it's not about power so much as when the power is
available.<BR>><BR>> It seems so counter intuitive that a really
powerful machine with lots of<BR>> ram could perform badly and be beat out
by a lesser but well appointed<BR>> machine, but I've seen it with my own
eyes, or rather heard it with my own<BR>> ears too many
times.<BR>><BR>> Well, happy producing.<BR>><BR>> A lot of radio
guys use audacity.<BR>><BR>> That little daw has come a long way, I hope
they eventually implement asio<BR>> in to it.<BR>><BR>> It'll be a
really good choice then for audio only stuff.<BR>> not just for real time
fx, but for lining up tracks properly with timing and<BR>>
such.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> From: yRylan Vroom<BR>> To: Reapers
Without Peepers<BR>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:37
PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [RWP] good computer for
recording?<BR>><BR>><BR>> Haha true enough Chris, I don't
actually use any real time effects at<BR>> this point. My
tallents lie more with audio production for radio and I<BR>>
haven't run into any lag issues doing that yet. Heck, maybe I
got<BR>> really lucky with my crappy box. :) I read up on the
latency issues<BR>> surrounding the windows kernel and will
keep it in mind if I ever<BR>> start up a recording business.
cheers<BR>><BR>> Rylan<BR>><BR>> On
10/9/13, Chris Belle <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>> > I used to think that but I learned
better.<BR>> ><BR>> > If you've not
learned about dpc latency and just how windows works, you<BR>>
can<BR>> > make a costly mistake.<BR>>
><BR>> > Go read up on defered protocol, and read the
tons of messages on forums<BR>> > about crackling audio and
drop-outs, etc.<BR>> ><BR>> > There are
fine machines out there which can eat the hottest games
for<BR>> > breakfast but will suck on audio because the dpc
latency is too high.<BR>> ><BR>> > Think
of this senario.<BR>> ><BR>> > YOu have a
big truck that comes by one a day, that's your computer.<BR>>
> or processor.<BR>> ><BR>> > You have
your hard-drives, interface,<BR>> > peripherals and such
they all need attending to in a timely manner.<BR>> > Let's
call them the little delivery trucks that bring packages to the<BR>>
big<BR>> > truck your computer.<BR>>
><BR>> > Now what if the big truck quit coming by once a
day, but only every<BR>> other<BR>> >
day?<BR>> ><BR>> > YOur packages would
pile up.<BR>> ><BR>> > That's exactly what
happens when you get audio drop-outs, or you can't<BR>>
load<BR>> > very many plug-ins with out having to turn your
latency way up on your<BR>> > interface, or any number of
things.<BR>> ><BR>> > If your dpc latency
on your computer is higher than say 100, you will<BR>>
have<BR>> > problems.<BR>>
><BR>> > Average is around 30,<BR>> >
my new daw runs in the teens,<BR>> > I had a student who got
impatient<BR>> > and had his computer fixed by some local
guy, and they didn't turn off<BR>> hpet<BR>> > and do
other tweaks in the bios and even though the machine was<BR>>
originally<BR>> > configured as a daw, it did not perform
well,<BR>> > so you need the right parts, as well as the
right settings,<BR>> > specific motherboards will do well as
a daw while others will suck.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Certain settings in the bios are not available on certain
motherboards,<BR>> > you might have issues with firewire
chips, so it's not enough to say<BR>> hey,<BR>> > just
get an asio sound card and your golden, maybe if you have a mac<BR>>
you<BR>> > can, because<BR>> > it get's
the blessing of one kind of hardware combo, and also apple's os<BR>>
is<BR>> > closer to a real time os than winblows, but don't
count on great<BR>> performance<BR>> > running a mac
system on the windows side,<BR>> > with an immulated bios
you can't tweak.<BR>> ><BR>> > ON the
apple side, you don't have to deal with dpc latency, it's not<BR>>
the<BR>> > same deal with a unix based
os.<BR>> ><BR>> > but with windows,
everything low level has to ask for permission in the<BR>> >
kernel, and if it has to wait too long, then the whole house of cards<BR>>
comes<BR>> > down.<BR>>
><BR>> > YOu might get lucky and get a machine which has
low enough dpc latency<BR>> where<BR>> > you can get some
work done, but too many of us even old time cats<BR>>
who've<BR>> > been doing this for ever have made the sad
mistake of buying an off the<BR>> > shelf laptop hoping to
use it for audio, only to find out oh no, it<BR>> won't<BR>>
> handle it.<BR>> ><BR>> > I will
concede the point that as computers get more powerful,<BR>>
> the margin for error get's bigger, but if you want performance for
a<BR>> daw,<BR>> > that error is still pretty
slim.<BR>> ><BR>> > YOu won't notice it
just doing plain audio recording and not using lots<BR>>
of<BR>> > real time fx, if you are doing that, then just go
ahead and use any old<BR>> > machine for basic tracking, but
if you want to run real time fx, guitar<BR>> > chains, and
drum modules that you can play with your asio card set to a<BR>>
nice<BR>> > low latency, and not have to bother freezing
tracks all the time and<BR>> such,<BR>> > then go get a
daw built.<BR>> ><BR>> > Save your best
buy computer for skype and emailing your grandma, and<BR>>
your<BR>> > mp3 punk rock library
'grin'.<BR>> ><BR>> > I'm here to tell ya,
I bought lots of machines, went to custom shops<BR>>
even,<BR>> > but getting a purpose built daw is the
difference between riding on the<BR>> > garbage truck, and
going first class in a portche.<BR>> ><BR>>
> Because you see, it's not about the power, or ram or drives,
though<BR>> that<BR>> > plays a part, ok, even if you get
your fast ssd, what good is it if the<BR>> > drives are
waiting on the processor which is hung up on that errant<BR>>
video<BR>> > driver you don't know about from that Chinese
company,<BR>> > written by that first year computer
programmer student,<BR>> > but your daw maker knows that the
driver that came out last year is a<BR>> better<BR>> >
match and won't spike the dpc latency.<BR>>
><BR>> > If and when you find out and correct it, think
how many hours you lost.<BR>> > and how many hit song ideas
went away.<BR>> ><BR>> > Man, that's wort
5 bills to me for sure.<BR>> ><BR>> > So
don't believe me, go out buy a cheap machine and if you get lucky,<BR>>
call<BR>> > old Chris a liar, but if it doesn't work and you
have issues and are<BR>> right<BR>> > back here asking us
how to solve an impossible problem remember old<BR>>
Chris<BR>> > told ya so.<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> > ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> > From: yRylan
Vroom<BR>> > To: Reapers Without
Peepers<BR>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013
3:28 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [RWP] good computer
for recording?<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> > It all depends on your pariferals
these days. A good computer is less<BR>> >
important than an ASIO equipped soundcard and whatever other
midi<BR>> > equipment you use. I for one am
using a crappy Acer throwaway box I<BR>> > got
at bestbuy for $500, 12 gb of ram, quad core amd Processor, no<BR>>
GPU<BR>> > to speak of, but it gets the job
done. I do notice that after loading<BR>> > 10
or so VST's it gets a smidge laggy when you play a project,
but<BR>> > that's about it.
HTH<BR>> ><BR>> >
Rylan<BR>> ><BR>> > On
10/8/13, Chris Belle <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>> > > Go see Jim Roseberry
at<BR>> > > studiocat.com<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > He builds the
best daws in the us, for the best price, and you can<BR>>
get<BR>> > in to<BR>> > > a
very mice machine that won't frustrate you for much less than
you<BR>> > might<BR>> > >
think.<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > His project studio daw starts at a
thousand.<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Don't get some bargain machine at tigerdirect or
what-ever, you'll<BR>> be<BR>> > >
sorry.<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > You'll have high dpc latencies, and other compatibility
issues,<BR>> these<BR>> > guys<BR>>
> > are fine for gamers or office machines, but for a daw,
do it up<BR>> right<BR>> > you'll<BR>>
> > be glad you did.<BR>> >
><BR>> > ><BR>>
> > ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> > > From: Matt
Turner<BR>> > > To:
reaper<BR>> > > Sent: Tuesday,
October 08, 2013 1:04 PM<BR>> > >
Subject: [RWP] good computer for recording?<BR>>
> ><BR>> >
><BR>> > > Hay there,
folks.<BR>> > > i am looking into
getting a computer, that will be used mainly<BR>> just<BR>>
> for<BR>> > >
recording.<BR>> > > I am not sure
what i should get, as there are all kinds of<BR>>
computers<BR>> > > ranging from
799$, and higher.<BR>> > > I wood
like a laptop, but i've heard there' not good for<BR>>
recording.<BR>> > > Any
suggestions?<BR>> > ><BR>>
> >
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