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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'd say as a fellow dev and teacher, the term is
more accurately portrayed as being a realist.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I also agree with Steve that we should have choice,
and I am also for the non-screen-reader dependant solutions, that's why I
contribute and create ahk scripts.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>But again, who's gonna do the work and who's gonna
pay for it?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Money talks and bull shit walks.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=amockery@gmail.com href="mailto:amockery@gmail.com">Drew</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rwp@reaaccess.com
href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">Reapers Without Peepers</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RWP] Wanted AHK
script</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I think you're being fairly myopic about your numbers. Let's
leave it at <BR>that.<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Steve Spamer"
<<A
href="mailto:steve@vipaudioaccess.com">steve@vipaudioaccess.com</A>><BR>To:
"'Reapers Without Peepers'" <<A
href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">rwp@reaaccess.com</A>><BR>Sent: Sunday,
October 13, 2013 10:54 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [RWP] Wanted AHK
script<BR><BR><BR>> Drew, I totally see your point...and I am an advocate
of choice believe <BR>> me.<BR>> I wish we had every bit as much choice
as a sighted dood, but what I'm<BR>> trying to say is about the "here and
now"!<BR>><BR>> NVDA with an AHK solution for all the plugs we need
would be fantastic, <BR>> but<BR>> who's going to do it? I hope
someone will, but the time/effort and<BR>> frustrations that go along with
it are not usually recognised by a<BR>> user...and I'm not saying they
should, but a good example is your comment<BR>> that it would cost<BR>>
much less to create another cross platform solution...where did you get
<BR>> this<BR>> idea from?<BR>><BR>> There is absolutely no money
to be made out of access solutions in this<BR>> area, as the community/need
is too small, so we're left with someone doing<BR>> solutions on a personal
level...that's how I usually do it and the money I<BR>> make back hardly
covers the outlay I make to hire sighted help, never mind<BR>> the time I
put in. A good example is Jim who develops HSC, my god if that<BR>>
guy got payed for the work he's done, the bill would run into the tens
if<BR>> not the hundreds of thousands, but it's free!, amazing eh.
Jaws is a <BR>> means<BR>> to an end, an area that I have the skills to
create, AHK is not at the<BR>> moment. Don't under estimate what's
required to make something <BR>> accessible,<BR>> think about the time
it takes to learn a plug to the level you need to in<BR>> order to script
it, plus many specific HSC functions have been created to<BR>> make certain
plugs interfaces accessible...and this has been an on going<BR>> thing...I
don't know if AHK could meet our needs to such a level.<BR>><BR>> The
current climate gives us free HSC, free AHK, free NVDA, free/cheap<BR>>
Reaper, so I can see why Jaws would be a turn off, but I don't see how
you<BR>> come to the conclusion that it would be much cheaper to create
another<BR>> solution...unless you mean someone should do it for a couple
of hundred, <BR>> but<BR>> put hundreds of hours work into it. Not
realistic, unless you want to do<BR>> the job? Cheers
Steve.<BR>><BR>> Visit:<BR>> <A
href="http://www.vipaudioaccess.com">www.vipaudioaccess.com</A><BR>> for
audio access solutions, articles, demos, to showcase your music and <BR>>
to<BR>> basically get involved!<BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces@reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Drew<BR>> Sent:
13 October 2013 13:25<BR>> To: Reapers Without Peepers<BR>> Subject: Re:
[RWP] Wanted AHK script<BR>><BR>> That's kind of a self fulfilling
prophecy though. Without JAWS, you won't <BR>> be<BR>> able to use these
JAWS spots, so even though it would cost much less to <BR>> make<BR>>
new cross platform alternatives, you should instead pay for a
screenreader<BR>> you aren't used to because, well, everyone else
does.<BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Steve Spamer" <<A
href="mailto:steve@vipaudioaccess.com">steve@vipaudioaccess.com</A>><BR>>
To: "'Reapers Without Peepers'" <<A
href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">rwp@reaaccess.com</A>><BR>> Sent:
Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:25 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Wanted AHK
script<BR>><BR>><BR>>> Hi GF. David Shortland was developing AHK
scripts for Omnisphere I think.<BR>>> Ideally, some kind of conversion
utility would make life so much<BR>>> easier, as it's like reinventing
the wheel each time with a new set of<BR>>> tools for users, who like
yourself have said, don't even have the doe<BR>>> to pay for
scripts...not much of an incentive is it <grin. I'm<BR>>>
surprised you have Jaws, but choose not to use it because you
don't<BR>>> want to be tied to just 1 screenreader. Unfortunately, we
need choice<BR>>> and usually have to maximize the positives from each
to gain the best<BR>>> accessibility. I know cash is the main
player with Jaws, but if you<BR>>> want to use something, then that's
the way you have to go for now.<BR>>> You wouldn't have a dedicated,
shit hot DAW and then choose to use the<BR>>> on board soundcard because
you don't want to be tied to just a Mackie<BR>>> Onyx interface or
something, you'd get something that would do the<BR>>> job. Think
of Jaws as an investment in your studio, the same way you<BR>>> do
hardware, if you're serious about your music and need to access<BR>>>
plugs you otherwise couldn't. Cheers Steve.<BR>>><BR>>>
Visit:<BR>>> <A
href="http://www.vipaudioaccess.com">www.vipaudioaccess.com</A><BR>>>
for audio access solutions, articles, demos, to showcase your
music<BR>>> and to basically get involved!<BR>>><BR>>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>>> From: RWP
[mailto:rwp-bounces@reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of Goldfinga<BR>>>
Productions<BR>>> Sent: 13 October 2013 01:35<BR>>> To: Reapers
Without Peepers<BR>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] Wanted AHK
script<BR>>><BR>>> I don't have an up-to-date version of jaws, or
money to pay for<BR>>> scripts at the moment. I will be able to pay a
developer for a future<BR>>> project. Plus, I don't want to be bound to
1 screenreader. I think<BR>>> that other people should be able to enjoy
the AHK scripts. I will keep<BR>>> this in mind though, I may still
check them out. Do they work with<BR>>> Jaws 8? That's what I am
authorized for. lol. Kind of old. I know.<BR>>><BR>>> Thanks
again.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:17 PM, Brian
Casey <<A
href="mailto:brian_w_casey@hotmail.com">brian_w_casey@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>> There's a jaws/hot spot clicker script that
is outstanding. Go to<BR>>>> vipaudioaccess.com for more. If you
don't hve jaws buying it could be<BR>>>> cheaper and definitely
easier than attempt developing a comparable<BR>>>> solution with
ahk<BR>>>><BR>>>> Hth<BR>>>>
Brian<BR>>>><BR>>>> On 13/10/2013, at 12:30 AM, "Goldfinga
Productions"<BR>>>> <<A
href="mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com">goldfingas@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>> Omnisphere is the plugin I am
looking for AHK scripts for. Is that<BR>>> something that can be done,
or that has been done? and before everyone<BR>>> goes on about money. Im
sure that some of us will pay. I just want to<BR>>> know if there is
someone who is willing to take on the project?<BR>>>>> Thanks for
any feedback.<BR>>>>> What do you guys
think?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
GF<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Check me out on
twitter<BR>>>>> <A
href="http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas">http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas</A><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
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