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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>OH good, hey if your just doing that sort of stuff,
any old box will do.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I don't even bother with asio when doing two track
editing with soundforge, and am still using an older version for accessibility
sake.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I just didn't want newbies getting the wrong idea,
I didn't want to disrespect your thoughts, just have been through this and seen
many folks get burned by wrong ideas of what it takes to do daw stuff, and since
I teach this stuff, it's sort of a religion with me 'grin'.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I didn't really understand it till a few years
ago,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>but it's not about power so much as when the power
is available.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It seems so counter intuitive that a really
powerful machine with lots of ram could perform badly and be beat out by a
lesser but well appointed machine, but I've seen it with my own eyes, or rather
heard it with my own ears too many times.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Well, happy producing.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>A lot of radio guys use audacity.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>That little daw has come a long way, I hope they
eventually implement asio in to it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It'll be a really good choice then for audio only
stuff.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>not just for real time fx, but for lining up tracks
properly with timing and such.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dj.sonr@gmail.com href="mailto:dj.sonr@gmail.com">yRylan Vroom</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rwp@reaaccess.com
href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">Reapers Without Peepers</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:37
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RWP] good computer for
recording?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Haha true enough Chris, I don't actually use any real time
effects at<BR>this point. My tallents lie more with audio production for radio
and I<BR>haven't run into any lag issues doing that yet. Heck, maybe I
got<BR>really lucky with my crappy box. :) I read up on the latency
issues<BR>surrounding the windows kernel and will keep it in mind if I
ever<BR>start up a recording business. cheers<BR><BR>Rylan<BR><BR>On 10/9/13,
Chris Belle <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>> wrote:<BR>>
I used to think that but I learned better.<BR>><BR>> If you've not
learned about dpc latency and just how windows works, you can<BR>> make a
costly mistake.<BR>><BR>> Go read up on defered protocol, and read the
tons of messages on forums<BR>> about crackling audio and drop-outs,
etc.<BR>><BR>> There are fine machines out there which can eat the
hottest games for<BR>> breakfast but will suck on audio because the dpc
latency is too high.<BR>><BR>> Think of this senario.<BR>><BR>>
YOu have a big truck that comes by one a day, that's your computer.<BR>> or
processor.<BR>><BR>> You have your hard-drives, interface,<BR>>
peripherals and such they all need attending to in a timely manner.<BR>>
Let's call them the little delivery trucks that bring packages to the
big<BR>> truck your computer.<BR>><BR>> Now what if the big truck
quit coming by once a day, but only every other<BR>> day?<BR>><BR>>
YOur packages would pile up.<BR>><BR>> That's exactly what happens when
you get audio drop-outs, or you can't load<BR>> very many plug-ins with out
having to turn your latency way up on your<BR>> interface, or any number of
things.<BR>><BR>> If your dpc latency on your computer is higher than
say 100, you will have<BR>> problems.<BR>><BR>> Average is around
30,<BR>> my new daw runs in the teens,<BR>> I had a student who got
impatient<BR>> and had his computer fixed by some local guy, and they
didn't turn off hpet<BR>> and do other tweaks in the bios and even though
the machine was originally<BR>> configured as a daw, it did not perform
well,<BR>> so you need the right parts, as well as the right
settings,<BR>> specific motherboards will do well as a daw while others
will suck.<BR>><BR>> Certain settings in the bios are not available on
certain motherboards,<BR>> you might have issues with firewire chips, so
it's not enough to say hey,<BR>> just get an asio sound card and your
golden, maybe if you have a mac you<BR>> can, because<BR>> it get's the
blessing of one kind of hardware combo, and also apple's os is<BR>> closer
to a real time os than winblows, but don't count on great performance<BR>>
running a mac system on the windows side,<BR>> with an immulated bios you
can't tweak.<BR>><BR>> ON the apple side, you don't have to deal with
dpc latency, it's not the<BR>> same deal with a unix based
os.<BR>><BR>> but with windows, everything low level has to ask for
permission in the<BR>> kernel, and if it has to wait too long, then the
whole house of cards comes<BR>> down.<BR>><BR>> YOu might get lucky
and get a machine which has low enough dpc latency where<BR>> you can get
some work done, but too many of us even old time cats who've<BR>> been
doing this for ever have made the sad mistake of buying an off the<BR>>
shelf laptop hoping to use it for audio, only to find out oh no, it
won't<BR>> handle it.<BR>><BR>> I will concede the point that as
computers get more powerful,<BR>> the margin for error get's bigger, but if
you want performance for a daw,<BR>> that error is still pretty
slim.<BR>><BR>> YOu won't notice it just doing plain audio recording and
not using lots of<BR>> real time fx, if you are doing that, then just go
ahead and use any old<BR>> machine for basic tracking, but if you want to
run real time fx, guitar<BR>> chains, and drum modules that you can play
with your asio card set to a nice<BR>> low latency, and not have to bother
freezing tracks all the time and such,<BR>> then go get a daw
built.<BR>><BR>> Save your best buy computer for skype and emailing your
grandma, and your<BR>> mp3 punk rock library 'grin'.<BR>><BR>> I'm
here to tell ya, I bought lots of machines, went to custom shops even,<BR>>
but getting a purpose built daw is the difference between riding on
the<BR>> garbage truck, and going first class in a portche.<BR>><BR>>
Because you see, it's not about the power, or ram or drives, though
that<BR>> plays a part, ok, even if you get your fast ssd, what good is it
if the<BR>> drives are waiting on the processor which is hung up on that
errant video<BR>> driver you don't know about from that Chinese
company,<BR>> written by that first year computer programmer
student,<BR>> but your daw maker knows that the driver that came out last
year is a better<BR>> match and won't spike the dpc
latency.<BR>><BR>> If and when you find out and correct it, think how
many hours you lost.<BR>> and how many hit song ideas went
away.<BR>><BR>> Man, that's wort 5 bills to me for sure.<BR>><BR>>
So don't believe me, go out buy a cheap machine and if you get lucky,
call<BR>> old Chris a liar, but if it doesn't work and you have issues and
are right<BR>> back here asking us how to solve an impossible problem
remember old Chris<BR>> told ya so.<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original
Message -----<BR>> From: yRylan Vroom<BR>> To:
Reapers Without Peepers<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013
3:28 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [RWP] good computer for
recording?<BR>><BR>><BR>> It all depends on your
pariferals these days. A good computer is less<BR>> important
than an ASIO equipped soundcard and whatever other midi<BR>>
equipment you use. I for one am using a crappy Acer throwaway box
I<BR>> got at bestbuy for $500, 12 gb of ram, quad core amd
Processor, no GPU<BR>> to speak of, but it gets the job done. I
do notice that after loading<BR>> 10 or so VST's it gets a
smidge laggy when you play a project, but<BR>> that's about it.
HTH<BR>><BR>> Rylan<BR>><BR>> On 10/8/13,
Chris Belle <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>> > Go see Jim Roseberry at<BR>>
> studiocat.com<BR>> ><BR>> > He builds
the best daws in the us, for the best price, and you can get<BR>> in
to<BR>> > a very mice machine that won't frustrate you for
much less than you<BR>> might<BR>> >
think.<BR>> ><BR>> > His project studio
daw starts at a thousand.<BR>> ><BR>> >
Don't get some bargain machine at tigerdirect or what-ever, you'll
be<BR>> > sorry.<BR>>
><BR>> > You'll have high dpc latencies, and other
compatibility issues, these<BR>> guys<BR>> > are fine for
gamers or office machines, but for a daw, do it up right<BR>>
you'll<BR>> > be glad you did.<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> > -----
Original Message -----<BR>> > From: Matt
Turner<BR>> > To: reaper<BR>>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:04 PM<BR>>
> Subject: [RWP] good computer for
recording?<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> > Hay there,
folks.<BR>> > i am looking into getting a
computer, that will be used mainly just<BR>> for<BR>>
> recording.<BR>> > I am not sure
what i should get, as there are all kinds of computers<BR>>
> ranging from 799$, and higher.<BR>>
> I wood like a laptop, but i've heard there' not good for
recording.<BR>> > Any
suggestions?<BR>> ><BR>> >
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