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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I used to think that but I learned
better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If you've not learned about dpc latency and just
how windows works, you can make a costly mistake.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Go read up on defered protocol, and read the tons
of messages on forums about crackling audio and drop-outs, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>There are fine machines out there which can eat the
hottest games for breakfast but will suck on audio because the dpc latency is
too high.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Think of this senario.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>YOu have a big truck that comes by one a day,
that's your computer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>or processor.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You have your hard-drives, interface, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>peripherals and such they all need attending to in
a timely manner.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Let's call them the little delivery trucks that
bring packages to the big truck your computer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Now what if the big truck quit coming by once a
day, but only every other day?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>YOur packages would pile up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>That's exactly what happens when you get audio
drop-outs, or you can't load very many plug-ins with out having to turn your
latency way up on your interface, or any number of things.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If your dpc latency on your computer is higher than
say 100, you will have problems.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Average is around 30,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>my new daw runs in the teens,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I had a student who got impatient</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>and had his computer fixed by some local guy, and
they didn't turn off hpet and do other tweaks in the bios and even though the
machine was originally configured as a daw, it did not perform well,
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>so you need the right parts, as well as the right
settings,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>specific motherboards will do well as a daw while
others will suck.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Certain settings in the bios are not available on
certain motherboards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>you might have issues with firewire chips, so it's
not enough to say hey, just get an asio sound card and your golden, maybe if you
have a mac you can, because </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>it get's the blessing of one kind of hardware
combo, and also apple's os is closer to a real time os than winblows, but don't
count on great performance running a mac system on the windows
side,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>with an immulated bios you can't
tweak.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>ON the apple side, you don't have to deal with dpc
latency, it's not the same deal with a unix based os.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>but with windows, everything low level has to ask
for permission in the kernel, and if it has to wait too long, then the whole
house of cards comes down.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>YOu might get lucky and get a machine which has low
enough dpc latency where you can get some work done, but too many of us even old
time cats who've been doing this for ever have made the sad mistake of buying an
off the shelf laptop hoping to use it for audio, only to find out oh no, it
won't handle it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I will concede the point that as computers get more
powerful, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial>the margin for error
get's bigger, but if you want performance for a daw, that error is still pretty
slim.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>YOu won't notice it just doing plain audio
recording and not using lots of real time fx, if you are doing that, then just
go ahead and use any old machine for basic tracking, but if you want to run real
time fx, guitar chains, and drum modules that you can play with your asio card
set to a nice low latency, and not have to bother freezing tracks all the time
and such, then go get a daw built.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Save your best buy computer for skype and emailing
your grandma, and your mp3 punk rock library 'grin'.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'm here to tell ya, I bought lots of machines,
went to custom shops even, but getting a purpose built daw is the difference
between riding on the garbage truck, and going first class in a
portche.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Because you see, it's not about the power, or ram
or drives, though that plays a part, ok, even if you get your fast ssd, what
good is it if the drives are waiting on the processor which is hung up on that
errant video driver you don't know about from that Chinese company,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>written by that first year computer programmer
student,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>but your daw maker knows that the driver that came
out last year is a better match and won't spike the dpc latency.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If and when you find out and correct it, think how
many hours you lost.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>and how many hit song ideas went away.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Man, that's wort 5 bills to me for
sure.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So don't believe me, go out buy a cheap machine and
if you get lucky, call old Chris a liar, but if it doesn't work and you have
issues and are right back here asking us how to solve an impossible problem
remember old Chris told ya so.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=dj.sonr@gmail.com href="mailto:dj.sonr@gmail.com">yRylan Vroom</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rwp@reaaccess.com
href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">Reapers Without Peepers</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 09, 2013 3:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RWP] good computer for
recording?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>It all depends on your pariferals these days. A good computer
is less<BR>important than an ASIO equipped soundcard and whatever other
midi<BR>equipment you use. I for one am using a crappy Acer throwaway box
I<BR>got at bestbuy for $500, 12 gb of ram, quad core amd Processor, no
GPU<BR>to speak of, but it gets the job done. I do notice that after
loading<BR>10 or so VST's it gets a smidge laggy when you play a project,
but<BR>that's about it. HTH<BR><BR>Rylan<BR><BR>On 10/8/13, Chris Belle <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>> wrote:<BR>>
Go see Jim Roseberry at<BR>> studiocat.com<BR>><BR>> He builds the
best daws in the us, for the best price, and you can get in to<BR>> a very
mice machine that won't frustrate you for much less than you might<BR>>
think.<BR>><BR>> His project studio daw starts at a
thousand.<BR>><BR>> Don't get some bargain machine at tigerdirect or
what-ever, you'll be<BR>> sorry.<BR>><BR>> You'll have high dpc
latencies, and other compatibility issues, these guys<BR>> are fine for
gamers or office machines, but for a daw, do it up right you'll<BR>> be
glad you did.<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> From: Matt Turner<BR>> To:
reaper<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 1:04
PM<BR>> Subject: [RWP] good computer for
recording?<BR>><BR>><BR>> Hay there,
folks.<BR>> i am looking into getting a computer, that will be
used mainly just for<BR>> recording.<BR>> I am
not sure what i should get, as there are all kinds of
computers<BR>> ranging from 799$, and
higher.<BR>> I wood like a laptop, but i've heard there' not
good for recording.<BR>> Any
suggestions?<BR>><BR>>
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