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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We vote with our wallets, and if we accept garbage
and keep buying it, they will keep selling it to us.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>That's why I try and not buy stuff from the low end
home recording pool,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>of gear,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>because that's what's driving the quality down big
time.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 16, 2013 1:45
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar
pedal's sounds</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>You know, something bothers me about what you say about inputs
and <BR>outputs having plastic threads.<BR>For a jack to work you need at
least two conduction points, 1 for the <BR>sleeve of the plug and another 1
for its tip.<BR>Please don't say that China is making all plastic jacks, with
only a <BR>tinfoil thick metal liner inside the plastic shell?<BR>Oh Lord,
what next; are they going to make our gear entirely from rice <BR>flour
noodles?<BR>The China pickguard I just bought has a 5 way toggle switch that
feels <BR>about the same from the topside as the classic Fender switch, but
<BR>underneath the pickguard you find the switch is only a little rectangle
<BR>made of fiberboard, with tiny solder lugs and switch contact points
<BR>riveted to the fiberboard.<BR>I was replacing the neck pickup, and placed
the tip of the soldering gun <BR>against the corner lug, with light pressure,
and suddenly the lug and a <BR>chunk of the fiberboard split off.<BR>So great
to watch how it all is getting flimsier and flimsier; isn't it?<BR>Luckily I
have a classic-era Fender 5 way switch to replace it with, an <BR>all
metal thing with big sturdy solder lugs and switch contacts inside it.<BR>By
the way, if you're an experimenter, you can make an auditory <BR>conductivity
meter from a small battery holder, preferably a single <BR>triple A battery,
wired in series with any old single headphone salvaged <BR>from a pair of
stereo headphones that quit working on one side.<BR>You end up with 2
wires.<BR>If there is conduction between any 2 lugs you touch with those 2
wires; <BR>you hear a nice loud click in the headphone.<BR>You can use a
battery that's too weak to run any gear, and it'll have <BR>plenty of voltage
to make the headphone click for months and
months.<BR>Indi<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On 9/16/2013 12:00 PM, Colin McDonald
wrote:<BR>> you got lucky, many pedals and multi-effects units these days
have<BR>> plastic shell input/output jacks. Which means that though
they may have<BR>> a metal nut on the outside, it's holding a plastic
housing around the jack.<BR>> IE, no ground path through the retention
nut.<BR>> You often have to go inside and solder or secure a lug to the
metal<BR>> plate that generally resides on the bottom of these units to
give them<BR>> weight.<BR>> Even the hallowed boss pedals use a big old
plate on the bottom of the<BR>> pedal to give it some weight and make
people think it's a higher quality<BR>> unit because it's heavier...it's
also done to help keep the pedal from<BR>> sliding around all over the
place.<BR>> you also got lucky because putting an additional wire from a
unit to the<BR>> other equipment in your signal path can often create
ground loops which<BR>> causes a bigger problem than before.<BR>> don't
forget, your patch cables do all the grounding for you at least on<BR>> the
audio signal path side.<BR>> wall warts have no ground to speak of beyond
the obvious one at the<BR>> ground side of the 2 prong plug into the
wall.<BR>> What you were actually experiencing was a high level of AC
floating on<BR>> the DC coming from the wallwart to your pedal.
wallwarts are seldom<BR>> properly rectified, so they have allot of AC
bleeding through which<BR>> causes the hum you hear.<BR>> that is why
allot of pro audio gear uses AC to the equipment, and takes<BR>> care of
the rectification and filtering inside the unit itself.<BR>> what you've
essentially done is allowed for some rectification on the dc<BR>> and you
are bleeding the ac off into a large ground source, IE the<BR>> rack...the
rack probably has something in it that has excellent<BR>> rectification and
a good solid ground source to bleed additional AC out<BR>> of the
circuit.<BR>> anyway, regardless, sounds like it worked.<BR>> anyone who
runs 9VDC equipment in the studio should have a proper power<BR>> supply to
help minimize hum and so on.<BR>><BR>> regards<BR>> Colin<BR>>
--------------------------------------------------<BR>> From: "Indigo"
<<A href="mailto:33indigo@charter.net">33indigo@charter.net</A>><BR>>
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:11 AM<BR>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers"
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Subject: Re: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's sounds<BR>><BR>>> I'm
not too skilled on either, but I'd rather play midi files from a<BR>>>
keyboard than from a guitar.<BR>>> I only want midi pads to make guitar
tracks more lush; and do what<BR>>> only synths can do in the
background.<BR>>> Yesterday I put a ground wire on my Zoom G2.1U, did a
neat job with a<BR>>> solder lug under the nut on the pedal jack in
back' with a wire going<BR>>> up to the steel and aluminum rack; where
all the gear resides, which<BR>>> seems to have soaked up all the stray
RF fields in this room; so hum<BR>>> is no longer a problem.<BR>>>
The little 9 volt wall wart transformer for the Zoom pedal was not<BR>>>
internally well grounded, so that I would hear hum and buzz when
on<BR>>> very high gain overdrive settings, but could touch the metal
cover of<BR>>> the cable's plug; or touch the metal foot switches on the
Zoom and all<BR>>> the hum and buzz would go away.<BR>>> Amazing
what a good ground our body provides!<BR>>> I can only imagine how many
different RF frequencies are buzzing<BR>>> through my body right now,
and I don't even feel them.<BR>>> So, now that it's properly grounded;
the Zoom is good enough as a<BR>>> multi-effects unit and preamp for the
guitar, then I got the plug<BR>>> version of Roger Linn's Adrenalinn to
run in Reaper.<BR>>> Adrenalinn does pretty things to guitar notes and
chords, like delays<BR>>> that go through 32 step arpeggios that are way
more sophisticated than<BR>>> the usual keyboard arpeggios.<BR>>>
You aren't intended to play fast lines; instead you just play
slowly<BR>>> and provide room for Adrenalinn to do its arpeggios
and filter<BR>>> modulations.<BR>>> Meanwhile, if I can get a
software pitch-to-midi plug to bring in lush<BR>>> midi pads, behind the
guitar; the tracks will be filled with plenty of<BR>>> beautiful
sounds.<BR>>> If I want a quick passage on a midi synth, I'd be inclined
to just<BR>>> reach for a keyboard and play it there; so tracking from
the guitar<BR>>> doesn't need to be fast, and doesn't even need to be
polyphonic; but<BR>>> does need to be accurate to trigger midi pads in
the right key.<BR>>> Several of the software pitch-to-midi plugs I've
collected have the<BR>>> option to restrict the midi output to a fixed
scale, so it's<BR>>> theoretically impossible to get notes that glitch
out of key.<BR>>> I've just got to find time to test out the various
pitch-to-midi plugs.<BR>>> IntelliScore has been around for ages, used
to transcribe a polyphonic<BR>>> audio track for printing out the score,
but also outputs midi.<BR>>> I have a couple more similar composing and
scoring plugs, all allow<BR>>> you to limit the scale of the midi
they output.<BR>>> Waves Tune, Antares Autotune; all track audio notes
much better if<BR>>> told in advance what the intended scale
is.<BR>>> The pitch to midi plugs don't need a special pickup in the
guitar, and<BR>>> cost about $59 USD to $89 USD, nothing compared to the
Roland GR55.<BR>>><BR>>> On 9/16/2013 12:35 AM, TheOreoMonster
wrote:<BR>>>> I haven't played the GT100 but the GT10 still sounded
very digital to<BR>>>> my ears. Nothing wrong with that as i don't
mind it for modulation<BR>>>> and delays personally, but the
distortions left me still feeling<BR>>>> cold. THe new BOSS DA2 TE2
and MO2 may be up indie's alley though.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Collin
is the other guitarist in your band blind? The thing
that<BR>>>> concerned me about the GR55 was no computer control
software just a<BR>>>> libraian editor, the control software for the
VG 88 seemed<BR>>>> accessible enough as i installed it to take aloof
at it, but i did<BR>>>> this without connecting a VG88. Things that
worry me about them was<BR>>>> doing the initial set up where you
calibrated it for each string.<BR>>>> Didn't know if that would be
accessible. Also installing the GK3<BR>>>> pickup. even without the
permanent install, how easy was it to get it<BR>>>> to pick up all
strings evenly? I read some horror stories where even<BR>>>>
experienced techs won't install the things anymore cuz they
could<BR>>>> never the the two highest strings to track properly.The
plus of the<BR>>>> GR55 over the VG88 is the GR55 is cheaper and
already in foot pedal<BR>>>> format. The VG88 however has two signal
paths for the guitar modeling<BR>>>> , where as the GR55 focus more
on the synth sounds and only has one<BR>>>> path for the guitar
modeling.<BR>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Indigo <<A
href="mailto:33indigo@charter.net">33indigo@charter.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>> I agree about the sounds of Roland
gear, plenty fat.<BR>>>>> I'm not just looking for the usual
electric guitar sound, though.<BR>>>>> I'm more interested in
unusual stringed instrument sounds; between<BR>>>>> straight
electric guitar and midi synth sounds.<BR>>>>> Synths can
supposedly make any sound, but there is so much going on<BR>>>>>
inside a tightly stretched steel string you can get so many
really<BR>>>>> beautiful sounds from within
there.<BR>>>>> For the usual shredding sounds;I already have
Guitar Rig and all<BR>>>>> those modeling
plugs.<BR>>>>> I own the amazing synth Alchemy, where you can take
electric guitar<BR>>>>> samples and stick them in Alchemy's
folders, so that Alchemy creates<BR>>>>> fantasy stringed
instruments from them, but you know; instead of<BR>>>>> just
triggering stringed instrument sounds by pressing keys;
it's<BR>>>>> way more satisfying to directly pick, pluck, dampen,
hammer, actual<BR>>>>> strings to get an infinity of interesting
sounds from them.<BR>>>>> One thing I've been meaning to do is to
feed electric guitar through<BR>>>>> Native Instruments Absynth 5,
which has an audio input.<BR>>>>> You can apply any of Absynth 5's
arpeggiators, filters, whatever to<BR>>>>> the
guitar.<BR>>>>> Sometimes I just dread encountering yet another
VST where I can't<BR>>>>> get hold of not just parameters,
but graphical screen icons that<BR>>>>> let you navigate to
features.<BR>>>>> Since I got the $99 Novation Nocturn and
AutoMap; I get all<BR>>>>> automatable parameters from VST
plugs, so all I need to do is to<BR>>>>> rotate 8 knobs or push 8
buttons on the Nocturn box, and sounds<BR>>>>> certainly change,
but that's only part of real access to a plug.<BR>>>>> To get at
menus, lists, preset browsers, switches that turn<BR>>>>>
arpeggiation on and off, and other such things, it still
requires<BR>>>>> people like Steve Spamer to dig into the plug's
interface and<BR>>>>> provide scripts.<BR>>>>> Or, I
just content myself with partial access, twist Nocturn's
knobs<BR>>>>> and enjoy the sounds; and don't worry about what I
can't get at.<BR>>>>>
Indi<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
On 9/12/2013 1:25 PM, Monkey Pusher wrote:<BR>>>>>> To my ears
the boss stuff always sounded too digital. Honestly
more<BR>>>>>> nterested in the roland stuff since it has
alternate tuning<BR>>>>>> functionality. Also think the Roland
GR55 may be closer to what u want<BR>>>>>> with the
Adrenalinn<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> On 9/11/13, Indigo
<<A href="mailto:33indigo@charter.net">33indigo@charter.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>> I just listened to a YouTube on navigating
around the Roland<BR>>>>>>> GT100,
and<BR>>>>>>> it did seem that it should be
accessible.<BR>>>>>>> It has no menus, but has page keys,
and you just move things from 1<BR>>>>>>> screen to the
other.<BR>>>>>>> I didn't memorize the navigation, so can't
explain it in detail,<BR>>>>>>> but
the<BR>>>>>>> reviewer thought it is super
easy.<BR>>>>>>> It's loaded with features, including USB to
computer, plus an<BR>>>>>>>
auxiliary<BR>>>>>>> out and in so you can
add sounds from an external source.<BR>>>>>>> What it
doesn't seem to have is the sounds of the AdrenaLinn
pedal,<BR>>>>>>> which I love.<BR>>>>>>>
Indi<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
On 9/11/2013 7:22 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:<BR>>>>>>>>
Hey Collin, Can you contact me off list/would you be up for
a<BR>>>>>>>> Skype chat?<BR>>>>>>>>
been very interested in the Roland GR55/VG88 stuff and the
Boss<BR>>>>>>>> stuff<BR>>>>>>>>
mentioned but they didn't seem accessible on the surface
Would<BR>>>>>>>> love to<BR>>>>>>>>
know more about what you know about the
stuff<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>
Thanks,<BR>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:31 PM, "Colin
McDonald"<BR>>>>>>>> <<A
href="mailto:blulemon@telus.net">blulemon@telus.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>> go
a few hundred bucks more and pick up the roland gr-55
guitar<BR>>>>>>>>>
synth.<BR>>>>>>>>> it does allot more and is fairly
accessible.<BR>>>>>>>>> or, for around the same price
as the roger linn, go with the<BR>>>>>>>>>
roland/boss<BR>>>>>>>>> gt100 which has all the
harmonizer stuff in it along with a<BR>>>>>>>>> tonne
of amp<BR>>>>>>>>> and cab and even mike models to
choose from. again, very<BR>>>>>>>>> accessible
to<BR>>>>>>>>>
use.<BR>>>>>>>>> the gr-55 is an excellent studio tool
for guitarists. with many<BR>>>>>>>>>
amp<BR>>>>>>>>> models, cab models, mike models, mike
placement options, along<BR>>>>>>>>> with
all<BR>>>>>>>>> the best roland synth models on
board. Yes, you do have to put<BR>>>>>>>>> the
gk-3<BR>>>>>>>>> pickup on your guitar, but that is a
no brainer excersize...it's<BR>>>>>>>>> seriously
powerful.<BR>>>>>>>>> but, if your budget is around
that 400 dollar range, the gt10,<BR>>>>>>>>> or
gt100<BR>>>>>>>>> will fit the bill nicely with
everything the roger linn has and far<BR>>>>>>>>>
more.<BR>>>>>>>>> perhaps not quite the same level of
drum options though, so if<BR>>>>>>>>>
that's<BR>>>>>>>>> what you are after, then it might
not be quite what you need.<BR>>>>>>>>> the
boss<BR>>>>>>>>> stuff is for guitarists more than
anything. but there is<BR>>>>>>>>> capability
of<BR>>>>>>>>> loading drums tracks on to the
thing.<BR>>>>>>>>>
regards<BR>>>>>>>>>
Colin<BR>>>>>>>>>
--------------------------------------------------<BR>>>>>>>>>
From: "Indigo" <<A
href="mailto:33indigo@charter.net">33indigo@charter.net</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:05
AM<BR>>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <<A
href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">rwp@reaaccess.com</A>><BR>>>>>>>>>
Subject: [RWP] Adrenalinn guitar pedal's
sounds<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
Actually, Roger Linn intended this thing for electric
guitar,<BR>>>>>>>>>> bass,
midi<BR>>>>>>>>>> synth, and I'd run vocals through
it, why not?<BR>>>>>>>>>> Here's an Adrenalinn 3
demo from JamShop, Sweden, then below<BR>>>>>>>>>>
that is<BR>>>>>>>>>> somebody having fun with
modulation effects, and below that is
my<BR>>>>>>>>>> favorite, Lots of sound
examples--hits and demos--of
AdrenaLinn<BR>>>>>>>>>>
III.<BR>>>>>>>>>> You get many of those arpeggios
in the presets.<BR>>>>>>>>>> This thing is as much
synthesizer as guitar processor, and I
doubt<BR>>>>>>>>>> anyone could ever run to the end
of all it can
do.<BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
<A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hlgUIVxdY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hlgUIVxdY</A><BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
<A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSy66E-VyOE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSy66E-VyOE</A><BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
<A
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfBDmw2H2Hw">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfBDmw2H2Hw</A><BR>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>>
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