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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Yeh, did that just the other day after the
suggestion was posted by Patrick.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I know reaper is not supposed to actually split the
wav, but only play it like it had been split.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Still, when making abrupt changes even single
snapshots and such automation is smoother than breaking the wav, even if it's
pretend simulated breaking.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>At least to my ears anyway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Maybe there is some kind of curve involved even
with a single automation point, I'm refering to sonar's automation compared to
reaper's item splitting method.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Still, this will help make things better anyhow for
certain kinds of edits where you must slice and dice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=Snowman@SnowmanRadio.com href="mailto:Snowman@SnowmanRadio.com">Jim
Snowbarger</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 15, 2013 9:07
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Just curious about this. It seems like a
cross fade time of 0, done at a zero crossing would be the best
possible. Has anybody tried that?</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=cb1963@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">Chris
Belle</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:54
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Yeh, you can.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Still not as smooth as automation even with
snapshot automation, but better when cross-fades are
eliminated.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=Snowman@SnowmanRadio.com
href="mailto:Snowman@SnowmanRadio.com">Jim Snowbarger</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 12, 2013
9:06 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Right. It might be that you are juhst
earing the abrupt change on gain. Any time the gain changes
abruptly, you'll hear that as a click, or a pulse. But, isn't there
across fade time that you can specify when going between items? I'm
sure their is. That should solve those issues.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=cb1963@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">Chris
Belle</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 11, 2013
10:39 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Well, for some reason even though reaper
does a nice job of playing back,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>split items especially if you use the z to
get 0 crossings, it still sounds split in some cases, if you push
amplitude changes too far, where as automation
doesn't.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>But for most practical purposes, it amounts
to the same thing and doesn't matter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=Snowman@SnowmanRadio.com
href="mailto:Snowman@SnowmanRadio.com">Jim Snowbarger</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 11,
2013 8:53 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>My guess is that, when you split an audio
item, nothing actually happens to the signal. An item is
just a set of control parameters, And, if two adjacent
items refer to adjacent parts of the audio file, I but there
isn't even any cross fading going on. It's like me telling you
to count from 1 to 3, and then count from 4 to 10. I wont'
hear you jump from 3 to 4. Your brain will concatenate
automatically, and you'll count from 1 to 10, and I'll believe
you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The only down side is the need to press
control+right Arrow more times to get anywhere. But,
hey.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=cb1963@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">Chris Belle</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 11,
2013 7:06 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Well, at least with item based editing
in reaper, you don't mess up anything.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It bothers me that we have to split
audio to do things, even though it works, and reaper's crossfades
are very smooth, it's still technically not cool to have to tear
apart your audio just to do a little automation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Or get around, in other words, to my
engineer's head it's better to bend it than break it, even if you
can fix it prety good.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Just in midi, this concept will work
better, because it won't be necessary to cross-fade broken audio
events.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It's just a matter of grouping then
more than any physical changes to the actual data.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Item based midi editing, ok then , this
will help, the other shoe drops 'grin'.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=dragamilov@comcen.com.au
href="mailto:dragamilov@comcen.com.au">David P Shortland</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September
11, 2013 5:55 PM</DIV>
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<DIV>Hi & Greetings from Down Under...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Not as far as I have been abel to discover....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It always seems to start at the beginning of the Event
List...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You can use Page Up & Page Down keys to jump 7 events at
a time...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However, the work around that I do for this one is if I need
to edit something that is say 16 bars into a Item.... I just do a
split just before the section I wish to edit and Voila when the
new Item is opened you are right there...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The more I use REAPER ... the more I am getting to know how
this Item based Editing worx...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>...and liking it...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It does not matter to me whether a Trak has One Item, several
items or several thousand items,... at any given time you can Glue
all the Items together and each part retains what you have edited
and you can start again...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Also just as a quick mention, which some of us may need to
get our heads around, is the concept of not having a dedicated
SubGroup area.... the flexibility that REAPER allows by being able
to put anything anywhere and being able to route anything to
anywhere is simply in a word ... NICE!!!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyway... on with the Editing...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Kind regards</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>David P Shortland</DIV>
<DIV>DragonScore Productions</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=cb1963@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">Chris Belle</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:17 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=rwp@reaaccess.com
href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">Reapers Without Peepers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hey, I have done that but is there an
easy way to move between midi events?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I mean you can move along the time
line, but in sonar it jumps through all the extra time and
immediately goes to the next midi event.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Or do you have to go to the exact
place on the time like for each midi event?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>That was one thing killing
me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=dragamilov@comcen.com.au
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September
11, 2013 2:45 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RWP] Reaper
Accessibility Query from New User</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>Hi & Greetings again from Down
Under<BR><BR>Again, just a little addendum to Indy's
post...<BR><BR>Once you have selected the MIDI Item you wish to
Edit<BR>Control plus Alt plus E opens the MIDI
Editor...<BR><BR>You only need to do this once but you need to
go to the Options Menu (I <BR>think) or it might be the View
Menu...(apologies not sure which)<BR><BR>Select Event
List...<BR><BR>You can scroll up and down the Event List
with the cursor keys<BR><BR>When you want to Edit an Event Focus
on it and press Control plus F2<BR><BR>This Opens the Event Item
Dialog and yu can TAB around and change whatever <BR>you
wish...<BR><BR>No need to go to the Apply or OK buttons just hit
Enter when you have <BR>finished your Edit...<BR><BR>Kind
regards<BR><BR>David P Shortland<BR>DragonScore
Productions<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----
<BR>From: Indigo<BR>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:52
PM<BR>To: Reapers Without Peepers<BR>Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper
Accessibility Query from New User<BR><BR>I used those ancient
midi sequencers in dos or on the Atari ST; , like<BR>Voyettra
Gold, Doctor T's Keyboard Midi Sequencer, all
totally<BR>accessible, just punching in numbers, then I did midi
from hardware<BR>sequencers, from Yamaha and the MMT8; then I
edited midi from Sonar<BR>versions 4, 6, 7 and 8.5.3, and to me
all editing at the event level is<BR>the most tedious, most
boring thing I could imagine.<BR><BR>I'd rather play in a
passage a dozen times until I get it just right<BR>than chase
down a single midi event and type in number values.<BR>But, for
those who don't mind, I think Reaper's layout for getting
at<BR>notes and every single note event possible at tab and
arrow keys<BR>couldn't be more ideal.<BR>How could it be easier
than having everything neately labeled and laid<BR>out at the
taband arrow keys; where you can arrow to other note
values,<BR>for instance, or type in different numbers for
velocity, note length,<BR>pitch, program number, yada yada
yada?<BR>One thing to note is that; when finished with
editing; you need to tab<BR>to apply, and then hit enter;
but there can be another step that might<BR>or might not be
required.<BR>At certain places, you might need to find an OK
button that needs to be<BR>clicked; after pressing enter on
Apply takes you back to the track view;<BR>so look out for that
one.<BR>If anyone is not hearing their changes of values being
applied to their<BR>music, go to your number pad and use your PC
cursor slash mouse pointer<BR>slash object navigation to find
that OK button, then left click it.<BR>I'll go search my
collection and repost David Shortland's method of<BR>reaching
the midi editor.<BR>By the way, since it's a different midi
editor than the inline editor<BR>that Ivan's shortcut reached,
maybe reaAccess is not doing anything to<BR>assist with access
of David's midi editor, it's just screenreader<BR>friendly
because Reaper is written that way, using Microsoft
standard<BR>menus and controls.<BR>Indi<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On
9/11/2013 4:51 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:<BR>> I'm really not
a MIDI type, but sure, a repost of David's steps is<BR>>
bound to help someone.<BR>><BR>> Yeah, of course MIDI is
MIDI is MIDI from DAW to DAW, but I'd wager<BR>> there would
be neat little tips and tricks people use to speed up<BR>>
editing which are specific to each one. Sometimes, just
watching<BR>> someone else who's got a workflow down smashing
through a task can be<BR>> quite inspiring.<BR>><BR>>
Scott<BR>><BR>><BR>> On 9/11/13, Indigo <<A
href="mailto:33indigo@charter.net">33indigo@charter.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>>> I'll dig out and post the guide to bringing
up the midi editor, David<BR>>> Shortland style, which is
step-by-step to get inside the midi editor,<BR>>> right
down to the event list for each note of your music along
the<BR>>> timeline.<BR>>> Anyone who has the least
experience with editing midi events in every<BR>>>
sequencer or daw ever made should know that midi is midi; and it
isn't<BR>>> different in a different daw.<BR>>> Each
event is clearly labeled in Reaper, in plain English, and if
you<BR>>> want to shorten or lengthen a note length, or
move the note up or down a<BR>>> list of chromatic notes,
or shift it to another octave, or alter its<BR>>> velocity
number, or move the note's position on the timeline, or
a<BR>>> thousand other editing details; duh, what's so
hard about that to figure<BR>>> out?<BR>>> So, it's
laid out differently from Voyettra Gold, or Sonar, or
ProTools,<BR>>> don't we all expect that?<BR>>> It's
good for the health of our brain cells to exercise them,
otherwise<BR>>> we get to be an old dog that can't learn
new tricks.<BR>>> When all note events are clearly
labeled, all laid out very conveniently<BR>>> at the tab
keys, with edit fields at the arrow keys, what more
could<BR>>> anyone ever hope for in access from a
screenreader?<BR>>>
Indi<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On 9/10/2013 8:15 PM,
Scott Chesworth wrote:<BR>>>> I've dropped Roy a line
to see whether he'd have time to share some<BR>>>>
wisdom. Just hit on the idea of spending a bit of time hanging
out<BR>>>> with each of the people on here that are
using Reaper to do cool<BR>>>> stuff, whatever their
stuff may be. I'd interview them and record a<BR>>>>
bit of them in action for an hour at most, then handle all the
boring<BR>>>> editing uploading headache stuff so they
don't have too. Seems like if<BR>>>> enough people are
keen to be featured it'd make a neat little
podcast<BR>>>> series. I could justify putting the time
into it seeing as I'd no<BR>>>> doubt learn a bunch of
stuff along the way.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Let's see
what happens. First time I've been excited about Reaper in
a<BR>>>> while, so I hope the response from Roy is
positive so I can strike<BR>>>> while the iron is hot
here.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Scott<BR>>>><BR>>>> On 9/11/13, Chris Belle
<<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> Roy seems to have a leg up on some of
the things we don't, bet he'd <BR>>>>>
help<BR>>>>> out<BR>>>>> if we
approached him with a few
clams.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>> From:
Goldfinga
Productions<BR>>>>> To:
Reapers Without
Peepers<BR>>>>> Sent:
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:28
PM<BR>>>>> Subject: Re:
[RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New
User<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
ah, well that is a hole new animal… I can do some of it, but I
<BR>>>>> would<BR>>>>>
like<BR>>>>> to better edit stuff. Is there a person
doing this already? Are they<BR>>>>>
giving<BR>>>>> lessons?
lol<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
On Sep 10, 2013, at 5:16 PM, "Chris Belle" <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>
> I mean doing detailed editing and
such.<BR>>>>>
><BR>>>>> > Are you
down with that, I can load up and play midi and such,
<BR>>>>> but<BR>>>>> detailed editing
and nudging notes and doing transforms or search
and<BR>>>>> replace like the interpolate dialogue in
sonar, that sort of
stuff.<BR>>>>>
><BR>>>>>
><BR>>>>> > -----
Original Message
-----<BR>>>>> > From:
Goldfinga
Productions<BR>>>>> > To:
Reapers Without
Peepers<BR>>>>> > Sent:
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:44
PM<BR>>>>> > Subject: Re:
[RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New
User<BR>>>>>
><BR>>>>> > I use midi
all the time with
reaper…<BR>>>>> > That's
why I have been all over poise, that's one less piece
of<BR>>>>> hardware<BR>>>>> that I have
to hook up to the mixer. Now I can leave my npc at
the<BR>>>>> church.<BR>>>>>
lol.<BR>>>>>
><BR>>>>>
><BR>>>>> > On Sep 10,
2013, at 4:41 PM, "Chris Belle" <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>
><BR>>>>> > > yeh,
reaper<BR>>>>> > >
isn't where sonar is but definitely
useable,<BR>>>>> > >
especially with straight
audio.<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > We're
all gonna have to flip Roy a few sheckles and get him
to<BR>>>>> show us<BR>>>>> how he does
midi with reaper,<BR>>>>>
> > I just ain't figured it out
yet.<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > I
mean I can do basics load a osft synth and hit the midi
<BR>>>>>
editor,<BR>>>>> > >
and see some events and such, but it ain't anything like
sonar<BR>>>>> and<BR>>>>> there are no
docs,<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > We
desperately need some serious docs shoing how to
do<BR>>>>>
everything.<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > -----
Original Message
-----<BR>>>>> > >
From: Goldfinga
Productions<BR>>>>> >
> To: Reapers Without
Peepers<BR>>>>> > >
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 3:34
PM<BR>>>>> > >
Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New
User<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > >
That's exactly where I was going with that. lol. I use
reaper,<BR>>>>> hell,<BR>>>>> like I
said in my last message, I paid for
it.<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > On
Sep 10, 2013, at 4:25 PM, "Chris Belle" <BR>>>>>
<<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> >
><BR>>>>> > > >
I think GF was being
humorous.<BR>>>>> > >
><BR>>>>> > > >
I took it that way
anyhow.<BR>>>>> > >
><BR>>>>> > > >
Kind of how we get the shaft and the end of the line
<BR>>>>> everywhere<BR>>>>>
in<BR>>>>> the world and have to fight like dogs to
not get left out,<BR>>>>>
> > > but you know how it works in this world, money
talks and<BR>>>>> bullshit<BR>>>>>
walks.<BR>>>>> > >
><BR>>>>> > > >
If there were 20 million blind reaper users ready to buy
<BR>>>>> access<BR>>>>> would be here
next week 'grin'.<BR>>>>>
> > ><BR>>>>> >
> > For now we just have to cowboy up and do the best we
can.<BR>>>>> > >
><BR>>>>> > >
><BR>>>>> > > >
----- Original Message
-----<BR>>>>> > > >
From: Scott
Chesworth<BR>>>>> > >
> To: Reapers Without
Peepers<BR>>>>> > >
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:10
PM<BR>>>>> > > >
Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query from New
User<BR>>>>> > >
><BR>>>>> > > >
Couple of points to keep in mind before you dig too deep
into<BR>>>>>
slating<BR>>>>> > >
> the Reaper developers in
public...<BR>>>>> > >
><BR>>>>> > > >
They are aware that a visually impaired userbase exists,
and<BR>>>>>
have<BR>>>>> > > >
gradually been exposing GUI elements over time. If you
need<BR>>>>> proof<BR>>>>>
of<BR>>>>> > > >
that, do some mousing around in Reaper on PC and see how
much<BR>>>>>
NVDA<BR>>>>> > > >
tells you, or compare how much is visible with VoiceOver on
<BR>>>>> Mac<BR>>>>>
now<BR>>>>> > > >
against a version from a couple years back. API bugs
that<BR>>>>>
impacted<BR>>>>> > >
> upon ReaAccess were fixed, and there have been a couple
of<BR>>>>>
instances<BR>>>>> > >
> where accessibility gets a mention in the changelogs. A
<BR>>>>> couple<BR>>>>>
of<BR>>>>> > > >
people with decent track records of getting stuff done are
in<BR>>>>>
contact<BR>>>>> > >
> with Justin the lead developer, all be it sporadically.
<BR>>>>> They're<BR>>>>>
not<BR>>>>> > > >
shouting from the rooftops about that, but when the
progress<BR>>>>> comes,<BR>>>>>
it<BR>>>>> > > >
happens in fits and starts and has been largely due to
nudges<BR>>>>>
and<BR>>>>> > > >
guidance from these key people. I think it's fair to say
that<BR>>>>>
Cockos<BR>>>>> > >
> have demonstrated that they're happy to help, but they
need<BR>>>>>
guidance<BR>>>>> > >
> and it needs to fit around their existing roadmap. I think
<BR>>>>> it's<BR>>>>>
pretty<BR>>>>> > >
> unfair to say we've been shafted. If you must find a home
for<BR>>>>>
that<BR>>>>> > > >
accusation, Ivan's your man. Tell him who sent you
lol.<BR>>>>> > >
><BR>>>>> > > >
Is the future certain? No. Then again, are their other
DAW<BR>>>>>
developers<BR>>>>> > >
> showing markedly less interest? You
betcha.<BR>>>>> > >
><BR>>>>> > > >
Nice idea re the NVDA team. Last time I approached Jamie
<BR>>>>> about<BR>>>>>
Reaper<BR>>>>> > >
> he was up to his ears in Sonar as his pet project, but
who<BR>>>>>
knows,<BR>>>>> > >
> someone else might have better luck catching him at the
right<BR>>>>>
time.<BR>>>>> > >
><BR>>>>> > > >
Scott<BR>>>>> > >
><BR>>>>> > >
><BR>>>>> > > >
On 9/10/13, Goldfinga Productions <<A
href="mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com">goldfingas@gmail.com</A>>
<BR>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> > >
> > Glad I could brighten your day with that one.
lol.<BR>>>>> > > >
><BR>>>>> > > >
> On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Keith
Hinton<BR>>>>> <<A
href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">keithint1234@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> > >
> ><BR>>>>> > >
> >> Muhahahahahahahhahaha! Cock OS! Oh dear! LOL Okay,
I'll <BR>>>>> stop<BR>>>>>
laughing<BR>>>>> > >
> >> now.<BR>>>>>
> > > >> But yeah, I think we've got it for
sure.<BR>>>>> > > >
>><BR>>>>> > >
> >> On 9/10/13, Goldfinga Productions <<A
href="mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com">goldfingas@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> > >
> >>> Remember folks, the developers of reaper call
them selves<BR>>>>> "cockos."
If<BR>>>>> > > >
>>> you<BR>>>>>
> > > >>> break that down, it spells "cock
OS." lol. I think we got<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>> shaft
on<BR>>>>> > > >
>>> this<BR>>>>>
> > > >>>
one.<BR>>>>> > > >
>>><BR>>>>> >
> >
>>><BR>>>>> >
> >
>>><BR>>>>> >
> > >>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Keith
Hinton<BR>>>>> <<A
href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">keithint1234@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>>>
> > > >>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> > >
> >>><BR>>>>>
> > > >>>> I can tel you, despite being new
myself, that yes,<BR>>>>>
ReaAccess<BR>>>>>
has<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>> always been (basicly) the accessibility pathway
for <BR>>>>> screen<BR>>>>> readers
to<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>> interface to
Reaper.<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>> The development has die out-last update
was in 2010.<BR>>>>> >
> > >>>> A few folks have been able to use
Reaper 4 with <BR>>>>> ReaAccess<BR>>>>>
just<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>> fine-looking up workarounds for things etc, but
as I<BR>>>>> understand<BR>>>>>
it<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>> your largely on your own with Reaper
anyways.<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>> Without ReaAccess, I do not believe any
native<BR>>>>> accessibility<BR>>>>>
exists in<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>> Reaper
itself.<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>> However, again, I could be utterly
wrong.<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>> If others could reply to this new users
question as <BR>>>>> well,<BR>>>>>
that<BR>>>>>
might<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>> help-but I believe I've answered
it.<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>><BR>>>>>
> > >
>>>><BR>>>>>
> > > >>>> On 9/10/13, Daveed Mandell
<<A
href="mailto:daveedm@sbcglobal.net">daveedm@sbcglobal.net</A>>
<BR>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>>>
Hello:<BR>>>>> > >
>
>>>>><BR>>>>>
> > > >>>>> What is the status of Reaper
accessibility right now? I<BR>>>>>
understand<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>>>
that<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>> Reaper's developers have shown little or no
interest in<BR>>>>> making<BR>>>>>
the<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>>
software<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>>> accessible, and that accessibility has
been provided<BR>>>>> through<BR>>>>>
a<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>>
separate<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>>> bridfe produced by blind people
working from this list<BR>>>>>
and<BR>>>>> website.
I<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>>
also<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>> understand that the website itself isn't
functioning<BR>>>>> anymore<BR>>>>> due
to<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>>
problems<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>>> related to spam. At any rate, is the
latest version of<BR>>>>>
Reaper,<BR>>>>>
version<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>>>
4.5,<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>> accessible for blind folks? It is
interesting to note <BR>>>>> the<BR>>>>>
difference<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>>>
in<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>> attitude between the developers of Reaper,
versus the<BR>>>>> developers
of<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>>
the<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>>
free<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>> Audacity audio software, who have been
very<BR>>>>>
conscientiously<BR>>>>> >
> > >>>>>
integrating<BR>>>>> >
> > >>>>> accessibility into the software.
Thanks for any updates<BR>>>>>
and<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>>
information<BR>>>>> >
> > >>>>> regarding Reaper
accessibility.<BR>>>>> >
> >
>>>>><BR>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
Regards,<BR>>>>> > >
>
>>>>><BR>>>>>
> > > >>>>> Daveed
Mandell<BR>>>>> > >
>
>>>>><BR>>>>>
> > >
>>>>><BR>>>>>
> > >
>>>>><BR>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
_______________________________________________<BR>>>>>
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> > >
>>>>><BR>>>>>
> > >
>>>><BR>>>>>
> > >
>>>><BR>>>>>
> > > >>>>
--<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>>
Sincerely,<BR>>>>> > >
>
>>>><BR>>>>>
> > > >>>>
Keith<BR>>>>> > > >
>>>> Home
Phone:<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>>
928-554-3936<BR>>>>> >
> > >>>> Mobile
Phone:<BR>>>>> > >
> >>>>
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>>><BR>>>>> >
> >
>>><BR>>>>> >
> > >>>
GF<BR>>>>> > > >
>>><BR>>>>> >
> > >>> Check me out on
twitter<BR>>>>> > >
> >>> <A
href="http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas">http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas</A><BR>>>>>
> > >
>>><BR>>>>> >
> >
>>><BR>>>>> >
> >
>>><BR>>>>> >
> > >>>
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>>><BR>>>>> >
> > >><BR>>>>>
> > >
>><BR>>>>> > >
> >> --<BR>>>>>
> > > >>
Sincerely,<BR>>>>> > >
> >><BR>>>>> >
> > >>
Keith<BR>>>>> > > >
>> Home Phone:<BR>>>>>
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> > > >
GF<BR>>>>> > > >
><BR>>>>> > > >
> Check me out on
twitter<BR>>>>> > >
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