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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'll sure the hec try it 'grin'.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=scottchesworth@gmail.com href="mailto:scottchesworth@gmail.com">Scott
Chesworth</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rwp@reaaccess.com
href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">Reapers Without Peepers</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:18
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility
Query from New User</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Just taking a stab in the dark here, but in
Preferences/Automation,<BR>there's a combobox entitled When adding volume/pan
envelopes, apply<BR>trim to envelope and reset trim:. Mine came set to always
by default,<BR>but there's an option for never.<BR><BR>Would that be the
behaviour that Chris is shooting for?<BR><BR>Scott<BR><BR>On 9/12/13, Patrick
Perdue <<A href="mailto:patrick@pdaudio.net">patrick@pdaudio.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>> There are two ways to fix that. First, there is an action to
write<BR>> current track envelope from cursor to the end of the project,
and there<BR>> is another option somewhere in preferences (not enabled by
default) that<BR>> doesn't reset to the previous value after a new envelope
is created.<BR>> I'll be damned if I can remember what that's called now
though.<BR>> I actually do like the default behavior for some things, so
I've left it<BR>> there and use it in conjunction with the action I
mentioned previously.<BR>> It's an extra step, but for the types of stuff I
edit, it makes more<BR>> sense to do it that way most of the time.<BR>>
But yes, you can make this thing happen by default. Someone on this
list<BR>> mentioned how to do it some months back.<BR>><BR>> On
9/11/2013 8:42 PM, Chris Belle wrote:<BR>>> I could live with reaper's
automation if they gave me an option to leave<BR>>> things where the
hell I left them instead of insisting on popping back<BR>>> to original
values.<BR>>> I know some have said they like this, but I can't stand it
'grin'.<BR>>> So when I become a paying member, that'll be the first
thing I ask for<BR>>> is a choice in this
matter.<BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>> *From:* Patrick Perdue <<A
href="mailto:patrick@pdaudio.net">mailto:patrick@pdaudio.net</A>><BR>>>
*To:* Reapers Without Peepers <<A
href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com</A>><BR>>>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:15
PM<BR>>> *Subject:* Re: [RWP] Reaper
Accessibility Query from New
User<BR>>><BR>>> Well, if you have a
control surface, you can do some automation<BR>>>
stuff.<BR>>> Editing the envelopes after they
exist... yeah, that's a problem. You<BR>>> can
do some really basic stuff with the keyboard, I.E.
track/master<BR>>> track level or master
playrate change, which is all kinds of fun in<BR>>>
and<BR>>> of itself. I've used a Korg
Nanokontrol in some projects as both a<BR>>>
control surface and a basic button/knob box for controlling
effect<BR>>> parameters. You can definitely get
the basics done, but any more than<BR>>> that,
and there are some huge gaps in what can be manipulated, as<BR>>>
there<BR>>> is no way that I know of to edit
automation envelopes from a keyboard<BR>>> after
they've been recorded. Easiest just to trash and redo
your<BR>>> automation event, sucky as that
is.<BR>>> I never figured out how to automate
track sends, so I've worked<BR>>>
around<BR>>> that by sending a folder to a
track, sending that track to another<BR>>>
track<BR>>> with effects on it, routing
post-fader, then automating the track<BR>>>
that<BR>>> is sent to the effects. Not at all
efficient, and surely not<BR>>>
necessary<BR>>> if you can see
stuff.<BR>>><BR>>> I most often do the
split/item property change/overlap items thing<BR>>>
for<BR>>> both panning and amplitude, because
you can get very precise with it<BR>>>
and<BR>>> it works. Unlike automation at
present, you can non-destructively do<BR>>>
stuff about that once it's been
implemented.<BR>>><BR>>> On 9/11/2013 8:06
PM, Chris Belle wrote:<BR>>> > Well, at
least with item based editing in reaper, you don't mess<BR>>>
up<BR>>> > anything. It bothers me that
we have to split audio to do things,<BR>>>
> even though it works, and reaper's crossfades are very
smooth,<BR>>> it's<BR>>> > still
technically not cool to have to tear apart your audio just<BR>>>
to<BR>>> > do a little automation. Or
get around, in other words, to my<BR>>>
> engineer's head it's better to bend it than break it, even if
you<BR>>> can<BR>>> > fix it
prety good. Just in midi, this concept will work
better,<BR>>> > because it won't be
necessary to cross-fade broken audio events.<BR>>>
It's<BR>>> > just a matter of grouping
then more than any physical changes to<BR>>>
the<BR>>> > actual data. Item based
midi editing, ok then , this will help,<BR>>>
the<BR>>> > other shoe drops
'grin'.<BR>>>
><BR>>> > ----- Original Message
----- *From:* David P Shortland<BR>>> >
<<A
href="mailto:dragamilov@comcen.com.au">mailto:dragamilov@comcen.com.au</A>>
*To:* Reapers Without Peepers<BR>>> >
<<A href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com</A>>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013<BR>>>
5:55<BR>>> > PM *Subject:* Re: [RWP]
Reaper Accessibility Query from New
User<BR>>>
><BR>>> > Hi & Greetings from
Down Under... Not as far as I have been abel<BR>>>
to<BR>>> > discover.... It always seems
to start at the beginning of the<BR>>>
Event<BR>>> > List... You can use Page
Up & Page Down keys to jump 7 events at
a<BR>>> > time... However, the work
around that I do for this one is if I<BR>>>
need<BR>>> > to edit something that is
say 16 bars into a Item.... I just do
a<BR>>> > split just before the section
I wish to edit and Voila when the<BR>>>
new<BR>>> > Item is opened you are
right there... The more I use REAPER ...<BR>>>
the<BR>>> > more I am getting to know
how this Item based Editing worx...<BR>>>
...and<BR>>> > liking it... It does not
matter to me whether a Trak has One
Item,<BR>>> > several items or several
thousand items,... at any given time you<BR>>>
can<BR>>> > Glue all the Items together
and each part retains what you have<BR>>>
> edited and you can start again... Also just as a quick
mention,<BR>>> which<BR>>> > some
of us may need to get our heads around, is the concept of
not<BR>>> > having a dedicated SubGroup
area.... the flexibility that REAPER<BR>>>
> allows by being able to put anything anywhere and being able
to<BR>>> route<BR>>> > anything
to anywhere is simply in a word ... NICE!!! Anyway...
on<BR>>> > with the Editing... Kind
regards David P Shortland
DragonScore<BR>>> > Productions *From:*
Chris Belle <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>>>
*Sent:*<BR>>> > Thursday, September 12,
2013 6:17 AM *To:* Reapers Without
Peepers<BR>>> > <<A
href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com</A>> *Subject:*
Re: [RWP] Reaper<BR>>>
Accessibility<BR>>> > Query from New
User Hey, I have done that but is there an easy way<BR>>>
to<BR>>> > move between midi events? I
mean you can move along the time
line,<BR>>> > but in sonar it jumps
through all the extra time and immediately<BR>>>
goes<BR>>> > to the next midi event. Or
do you have to go to the exact place
on<BR>>> > the time like for each midi
event? That was one thing killing
me.<BR>>>
><BR>>> > ----- Original Message
----- *From:* David P Shortland<BR>>> >
<<A
href="mailto:dragamilov@comcen.com.au">mailto:dragamilov@comcen.com.au</A>>
*To:* Reapers Without Peepers<BR>>> >
<<A href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com</A>>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 11, 2013<BR>>>
2:45<BR>>> > PM *Subject:* Re: [RWP]
Reaper Accessibility Query from New User Hi<BR>>>
&<BR>>> > Greetings again from Down
Under<BR>>>
><BR>>> > Again, just a little
addendum to Indy's post...<BR>>>
><BR>>> > Once you have selected the
MIDI Item you wish to Edit Control
plus<BR>>> > Alt plus E opens the MIDI
Editor...<BR>>>
><BR>>> > You only need to do this
once but you need to go to the Options<BR>>>
Menu<BR>>> > (I think) or it might be
the View Menu...(apologies not sure<BR>>>
which)<BR>>>
><BR>>> > Select Event
List...<BR>>>
><BR>>> > You can scroll up and down
the Event List with the cursor
keys<BR>>>
><BR>>> > When you want to Edit an
Event Focus on it and press Control plus<BR>>>
F2<BR>>>
><BR>>> > This Opens the Event Item
Dialog and yu can TAB around and
change<BR>>> > whatever you
wish...<BR>>>
><BR>>> > No need to go to the Apply
or OK buttons just hit Enter when
you<BR>>> > have finished your
Edit...<BR>>>
><BR>>> > Kind
regards<BR>>>
><BR>>> > David P Shortland
DragonScore Productions<BR>>>
><BR>>>
><BR>>>
><BR>>>
><BR>>> > -----Original Message-----
From: Indigo Sent: Wednesday,
September<BR>>> > 11, 2013 8:52 PM To:
Reapers Without Peepers Subject: Re:
[RWP]<BR>>> > Reaper Accessibility
Query from New User<BR>>>
><BR>>> > I used those ancient midi
sequencers in dos or on the Atari ST;
,<BR>>> > like Voyettra Gold, Doctor
T's Keyboard Midi Sequencer, all<BR>>>
totally<BR>>> > accessible, just
punching in numbers, then I did midi from<BR>>>
hardware<BR>>> > sequencers, from
Yamaha and the MMT8; then I edited midi from<BR>>>
Sonar<BR>>> > versions 4, 6, 7 and
8.5.3, and to me all editing at the event<BR>>>
level<BR>>> > is the most tedious, most
boring thing I could imagine.<BR>>>
><BR>>> > I'd rather play in a
passage a dozen times until I get it just<BR>>>
right<BR>>> > than chase down a single
midi event and type in number values.<BR>>>
But,<BR>>> > for those who don't mind,
I think Reaper's layout for getting
at<BR>>> > notes and every single note
event possible at tab and arrow keys<BR>>>
> couldn't be more ideal. How could it be easier than having<BR>>>
everything<BR>>> > neately labeled and
laid out at the taband arrow keys; where you<BR>>>
can<BR>>> > arrow to other note values,
for instance, or type in different<BR>>>
> numbers for velocity, note length, pitch, program number,
yada<BR>>> yada<BR>>> > yada? One
thing to note is that; when finished with editing;
you<BR>>> > need to tab to apply, and
then hit enter; but there can be
another<BR>>> > step that might or
might not be required. At certain places,
you<BR>>> > might need to find an OK
button that needs to be clicked;
after<BR>>> > pressing enter on Apply
takes you back to the track view; so look<BR>>>
out<BR>>> > for that one. If anyone is
not hearing their changes of values<BR>>>
being<BR>>> > applied to their music,
go to your number pad and use your PC<BR>>>
cursor<BR>>> > slash mouse pointer
slash object navigation to find that OK<BR>>>
button,<BR>>> > then left click it.
I'll go search my collection and repost
David<BR>>> > Shortland's method of
reaching the midi editor. By the way,
since<BR>>> > it's a different midi
editor than the inline editor that
Ivan's<BR>>> > shortcut reached, maybe
reaAccess is not doing anything to
assist<BR>>> > with access of
David's midi editor, it's just screenreader<BR>>>
friendly<BR>>> > because Reaper is
written that way, using Microsoft standard
menus<BR>>> > and controls.
Indi<BR>>>
><BR>>>
><BR>>>
><BR>>>
><BR>>> > On 9/11/2013 4:51 AM,
Scott Chesworth wrote:<BR>>> >> I'm
really not a MIDI type, but sure, a repost of
David's<BR>>> > steps
is<BR>>> >> bound to help
someone.<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> Yeah, of course
MIDI is MIDI is MIDI from DAW to DAW, but
I'd<BR>>> >
wager<BR>>> >> there would be neat
little tips and tricks people use to speed
up<BR>>> >> editing which are
specific to each one. Sometimes, just
watching<BR>>> >> someone else who's
got a workflow down smashing through
a<BR>>> > task can
be<BR>>> >> quite
inspiring.<BR>>>
>><BR>>> >>
Scott<BR>>>
>><BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> On 9/11/13, Indigo
<<A
href="mailto:33indigo@charter.net">33indigo@charter.net</A><BR>>>
<<A
href="mailto:33indigo@charter.net">mailto:33indigo@charter.net</A>><BR>>>
> <<A
href="mailto:33indigo@charter.net">mailto:33indigo@charter.net</A>>>
wrote:<BR>>> >>> I'll dig out and
post the guide to bringing up the
midi<BR>>> > editor,
David<BR>>> >>> Shortland style,
which is step-by-step to get inside
the<BR>>> > midi
editor,<BR>>> >>> right down to
the event list for each note of your
music<BR>>> > along
the<BR>>> >>> timeline. Anyone
who has the least experience with editing
midi<BR>>> >>>
events<BR>>> > in
every<BR>>> >>> sequencer or daw
ever made should know that midi is
midi;<BR>>> > and it
isn't<BR>>> >>> different in a
different daw. Each event is clearly labeled
in<BR>>> >>> Reaper, in plain
English,<BR>>> > and if
you<BR>>> >>> want to shorten or
lengthen a note length, or move the
note<BR>>> > up or down
a<BR>>> >>> list of chromatic
notes, or shift it to another octave,
or<BR>>> > alter
its<BR>>> >>> velocity number, or
move the note's position on the<BR>>> >
timeline, or a<BR>>> >>> thousand
other editing details; duh, what's so hard
about<BR>>> > that to
figure<BR>>> >>> out? So, it's
laid out differently from Voyettra Gold, or
Sonar,<BR>>> > or
ProTools,<BR>>> >>> don't we all
expect that? It's good for the health of our
brain<BR>>> >>> cells to
exercise<BR>>> > them,
otherwise<BR>>> >>> we get to be
an old dog that can't learn new tricks. When
all<BR>>> >>> note events are
clearly labeled, all laid out very<BR>>>
> conveniently<BR>>> >>> at
the tab keys, with edit fields at the arrow keys,
what<BR>>> > more
could<BR>>> >>> anyone ever hope
for in access from a screenreader?
Indi<BR>>>
>>><BR>>>
>>><BR>>> >>> On
9/10/2013 8:15 PM, Scott Chesworth
wrote:<BR>>> >>>> I've dropped
Roy a line to see whether he'd have time
to<BR>>> > share
some<BR>>> >>>> wisdom. Just
hit on the idea of spending a bit of
time<BR>>> > hanging
out<BR>>> >>>> with each of
the people on here that are using Reaper to
do<BR>>> >
cool<BR>>> >>>> stuff,
whatever their stuff may be. I'd interview them
and<BR>>> > record
a<BR>>> >>>> bit of them in
action for an hour at most, then handle
all<BR>>> > the
boring<BR>>> >>>> editing
uploading headache stuff so they don't have
too.<BR>>> > Seems like
if<BR>>> >>>> enough people
are keen to be featured it'd make a
neat<BR>>> > little
podcast<BR>>> >>>> series. I
could justify putting the time into it seeing
as<BR>>> > I'd
no<BR>>> >>>> doubt learn a
bunch of stuff along the way.<BR>>>
>>>><BR>>> >>>>
Let's see what happens. First time I've been excited
about<BR>>> > Reaper in
a<BR>>> >>>> while, so I hope
the response from Roy is positive so I
can<BR>>> >
strike<BR>>> >>>> while the
iron is hot here.<BR>>>
>>>><BR>>> >>>>
Scott<BR>>>
>>>><BR>>> >>>> On
9/11/13, Chris Belle <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A><BR>>>
<<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>>>
> <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>>>
wrote:<BR>>> >>>>> Roy
seems to have a leg up on some of the things we
don't,<BR>>> > bet
he'd<BR>>> >>>>> help out
if we approached him with a few
clams.<BR>>>
>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Goldfinga Productions
To:<BR>>> >>>>> Reapers
Without Peepers Sent: Tuesday, September 10,
2013<BR>>> >>>>> 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility Query
from<BR>>> >>>>>
New<BR>>> >
User<BR>>>
>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>> ah, well that is a hole new animal… I can do some of
it,<BR>>> > but
I<BR>>> >>>>> would like to
better edit stuff. Is there a person
doing<BR>>> >>>>>
this<BR>>> > already? Are
they<BR>>> >>>>> giving
lessons? lol<BR>>>
>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 5:16 PM, "Chris
Belle"<BR>>> > <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A> <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>>>
<<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>>><BR>>>
>>>>> wrote:<BR>>>
>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>> I mean doing detailed editing and
such.<BR>>>
>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>> Are you down with that, I can load up and play
midi<BR>>> > and
such,<BR>>> >>>>> but
detailed editing and nudging notes and doing
transforms<BR>>> >>>>>
or<BR>>> > search
and<BR>>> >>>>> replace
like the interpolate dialogue in sonar, that
sort<BR>>> > of
stuff.<BR>>>
>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Goldfinga
Productions<BR>>> >>>>>>
To: Reapers Without Peepers Sent: Tuesday, September
10,<BR>>> >>>>>> 2013
3:44 PM Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper Accessibility
Query<BR>>> >>>>>>
from<BR>>> > New
User<BR>>>
>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>> I use midi all the time with reaper… That's why I
have been<BR>>> >>>>>>
all over poise, that's one<BR>>> > less
piece of<BR>>> >>>>>
hardware that I have to hook up to the mixer. Now I can
leave<BR>>> >>>>>
my<BR>>> > npc at
the<BR>>> >>>>> church.
lol.<BR>>>
>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:41 PM, "Chris
Belle"<BR>>> > <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A> <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>>>
<<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>>><BR>>>
>>>>> wrote:<BR>>>
>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>> yeh, reaper isn't where sonar is but definitely
useable,<BR>>>
>>>>>>> especially with straight
audio.<BR>>>
>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>> We're all gonna have to flip Roy a few
sheckles<BR>>> > and get him
to<BR>>> >>>>> show us how
he does midi with reaper,<BR>>>
>>>>>>> I just ain't figured it out
yet.<BR>>>
>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>> I mean I can do basics load a osft synth and
hit<BR>>> > the
midi<BR>>> >>>>>
editor,<BR>>> >>>>>>>
and see some events and such, but it
ain't<BR>>> > anything like
sonar<BR>>> >>>>> and there
are no docs,<BR>>>
>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>> We desperately need some serious docs shoing how
to do<BR>>> >>>>>
everything.<BR>>>
>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Goldfinga
Productions<BR>>>
>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers Sent: Tuesday,
September 10,<BR>>>
>>>>>>> 2013 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper
Accessibility<BR>>>
>>>>>>> Query
from<BR>>> > New
User<BR>>>
>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>> That's exactly where I was going with that. lol.
I<BR>>> > use
reaper,<BR>>> >>>>> hell,
like I said in my last message, I paid for
it.<BR>>>
>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:25 PM, "Chris
Belle"<BR>>> >>>>> <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A> <<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>>>
<<A
href="mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net">mailto:cb1963@sbcglobal.net</A>>>
wrote:<BR>>>
>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>> I think GF was being
humorous.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>> I took it that way
anyhow.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind of how we get the shaft and the end of
the<BR>>> >
line<BR>>> >>>>> everywhere
in the world and have to fight like dogs to
not<BR>>> >>>>> get left
out,<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> but you know how it works in this world,
money<BR>>> > talks
and<BR>>> >>>>> bullshit
walks.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>> If there were 20 million blind reaper
users<BR>>> > ready to
buy<BR>>> >>>>> access
would be here next week 'grin'.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>> For now we just have to cowboy up and do
the<BR>>> > best we
can.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott
Chesworth To:<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> Reapers Without Peepers Sent: Tuesday,
September 10,<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> 2013 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [RWP] Reaper
Accessibility<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>
Query<BR>>> > from New
User<BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>> Couple of points to keep in mind before you
dig<BR>>> > too deep
into<BR>>> >>>>>
slating<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> the Reaper developers in
public...<BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>> They are aware that a visually impaired
userbase<BR>>> > exists,
and<BR>>> >>>>>
have<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> gradually been exposing GUI elements over
time. If<BR>>> > you
need<BR>>> >>>>> proof
of<BR>>> >>>>>>>>
that, do some mousing around in Reaper on PC
and<BR>>> > see how
much<BR>>> >>>>>
NVDA<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> tells you, or compare how much is visible
with<BR>>> > VoiceOver
on<BR>>> >>>>> Mac
now<BR>>> >>>>>>>>
against a version from a couple years back.
API<BR>>> > bugs
that<BR>>> >>>>>
impacted<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> upon ReaAccess were fixed, and there have
been a<BR>>> > couple
of<BR>>> >>>>>
instances<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> where accessibility gets a mention in
the<BR>>> > changelogs.
A<BR>>> >>>>> couple
of<BR>>> >>>>>>>>
people with decent track records of getting
stuff<BR>>> > done are
in<BR>>> >>>>>
contact<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> with Justin the lead developer, all be
it<BR>>> >>>>>>>>
sporadically.<BR>>> >>>>>
They're not<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> shouting from the rooftops about that, but
when<BR>>> > the
progress<BR>>> >>>>> comes,
it<BR>>> >>>>>>>>
happens in fits and starts and has been largely
due<BR>>> > to
nudges<BR>>> >>>>>
and<BR>>> >>>>>>>>
guidance from these key people. I think it's fair
to<BR>>> > say
that<BR>>> >>>>>
Cockos<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> have demonstrated that they're happy to help,
but<BR>>> > they
need<BR>>> >>>>>
guidance<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> and it needs to fit around their
existing<BR>>> > roadmap. I
think<BR>>> >>>>> it's
pretty<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> unfair to say we've been shafted. If you must
find a<BR>>> > home
for<BR>>> >>>>>
that<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> accusation, Ivan's your man. Tell him who
sent you<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>
lol.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>> Is the future certain? No. Then again, are
their<BR>>> > other
DAW<BR>>> >>>>>
developers<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> showing markedly less interest? You
betcha.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>> Nice idea re the NVDA team. Last time
I<BR>>> > approached
Jamie<BR>>> >>>>> about
Reaper<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> he was up to his ears in Sonar as his pet
project,<BR>>> > but
who<BR>>> >>>>>
knows,<BR>>>
>>>>>>>> someone else might have better luck catching
him at<BR>>> > the
right<BR>>> >>>>>
time.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>
Scott<BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Goldfinga
Productions<BR>>> > <<A
href="mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com">goldfingas@gmail.com</A> <<A
href="mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com">mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>
<<A
href="mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com">mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com</A>>><BR>>>
>>>>> wrote:<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>> Glad I could brighten your day with that
one. lol.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Keith
Hinton<BR>>> >>>>> <<A
href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">keithint1234@gmail.com</A> <<A
href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>
<<A
href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com</A>>><BR>>>
>>>>> wrote:<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Muhahahahahahahhahaha! Cock OS! Oh
dear! LOL<BR>>> > Okay,
I'll<BR>>> >>>>> stop
laughing<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>> now. But yeah, I think we've got it
for sure.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Goldfinga
Productions<BR>>> > <<A
href="mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com">goldfingas@gmail.com</A> <<A
href="mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com">mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>
<<A
href="mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com">mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com</A>>><BR>>>
>>>>> wrote:<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Remember folks, the developers of
reaper<BR>>> > call them
selves<BR>>> >>>>>
"cockos." If<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you break that down, it spells
"cock OS." lol. I<BR>>> > think we
got<BR>>> >>>>> the shaft
on<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> this
one.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 8:37 AM,
Keith Hinton<BR>>> >>>>>
<<A href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">keithint1234@gmail.com</A> <<A
href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>
<<A
href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com</A>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can tel you, despite being
new myself,<BR>>> > that
yes,<BR>>> >>>>> ReaAccess
has<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> always been (basicly) the
accessibility<BR>>> > pathway
for<BR>>> >>>>> screen
readers to<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> interface to Reaper. The
development has die<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> out-last update
was<BR>>> > in
2010.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A few folks have been able to
use Reaper 4<BR>>> >
with<BR>>> >>>>> ReaAccess
just<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> fine-looking up workarounds
for things etc,<BR>>> > but as
I<BR>>> >>>>> understand
it<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> your largely on your own with
Reaper anyways.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Without ReaAccess, I do not
believe any native<BR>>>
>>>>> accessibility exists
in<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reaper itself. However,
again, I could be<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> utterly wrong. If others
could reply to this<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> new
users<BR>>> > question
as<BR>>> >>>>> well, that
might<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> help-but I believe I've
answered it.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/10/13, Daveed
Mandell<BR>>> > <<A
href="mailto:daveedm@sbcglobal.net">daveedm@sbcglobal.net</A> <<A
href="mailto:daveedm@sbcglobal.net">mailto:daveedm@sbcglobal.net</A>><BR>>>
<<A
href="mailto:daveedm@sbcglobal.net">mailto:daveedm@sbcglobal.net</A>>><BR>>>
>>>>> wrote:<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hello:<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is the status of
Reaper accessibility<BR>>> > right now?
I<BR>>> >>>>>
understand<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Reaper's developers
have shown little<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
or<BR>>> > no interest
in<BR>>> >>>>> making
the<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> software accessible, and
that accessibility<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
been<BR>>> >
provided<BR>>> >>>>>
through a<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> separate bridfe produced
by blind people<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> working
from<BR>>> > this
list<BR>>> >>>>> and
website. I<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also understand that the
website itself<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
isn't<BR>>> >
functioning<BR>>> >>>>>
anymore due to<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems related to spam.
At any rate, is the<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
latest<BR>>> > version
of<BR>>> >>>>> Reaper,
version<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.5, accessible for blind
folks? It is<BR>>> > interesting to
note<BR>>> >>>>> the
difference<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in attitude between the
developers of<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Reaper,<BR>>> > versus
the<BR>>> >>>>> developers
of<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the free Audacity audio
software, who have<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
very<BR>>> >>>>>
conscientiously<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrating accessibility
into the software.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
for<BR>>> > any
updates<BR>>> >>>>>
and<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> information regarding
Reaper accessibility.<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Regards,<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daveed
Mandell<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
_______________________________________________<BR>>>
><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
Sincerely,<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Keith Home Phone:
928-554-3936 Mobile Phone:<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 928-713-6370 Primary
email:<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">keithint1234@gmail.com</A> <<A
href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>
> <<A
href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com</A>><BR>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
GF<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Check me out on
twitter<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas">http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas</A><BR>>>
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>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
Sincerely,<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Keith Home Phone: 928-554-3936 Mobile
Phone:<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 928-713-6370 Primary email: <A
href="mailto:keithint1234@gmail.com">keithint1234@gmail.com</A><BR>>>
<<A
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GF<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>><BR>>>
>>>>>>>>> Check me out on
twitter<BR>>>
>>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas">http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas</A><BR>>>
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mailing list <A href="mailto:RWP@reaaccess.com">RWP@reaaccess.com</A> <<A
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mailing list <A href="mailto:RWP@reaaccess.com">RWP@reaaccess.com</A> <<A
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