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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The easiest way to think of it is like boxes within
boxes,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>going all the way out to the desktop.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Each object you navigate to could be a graphic, a
piece of text, anything, which eventualy zeros in on what your wanting to look
at.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>For instance, a tool bar contains buttons or
graphics you click on,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>the tool bar itself is an object but it contains
other objects.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It's similar to windows with in windows, parent and
child windows,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>like what your used to but on a much more detailed
bassis.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=goldfingas@gmail.com href="mailto:goldfingas@gmail.com">Goldfinga
Productions</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rwp@reaaccess.com
href="mailto:rwp@reaaccess.com">Reapers Without Peepers</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 30, 2013 5:57
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RWP] my poise question
again</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I really don't know that much about object navigation.<BR>its
something I am trying to learn about… I think I am missing out on a few tricks
that could help me later.<BR><BR>NVDA is very nice, and I find my self using
it more so that JAWS these days. I am still learning it though.<BR>For what it
is, it is pretty kick ass for a free screen reader<BR><BR>On Aug 30, 2013, at
3:22 AM, Indigo <<A
href="mailto:33indigo@charter.net">33indigo@charter.net</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>> I've not used Poise as much as you guys, but I reached all
the unlabeled graphics with Window-Eyes mouse pointer, similar to jaws PC
cursor, but I wouldn't rule NVDA out.<BR>> It also has some really powerful
tools at its number pad.<BR>> It's a shame your HSC sets won't work in
NVDA, but I'll bet it can get at those controls also, once you explore deeply
in its object navigation.<BR>> The NVDA key plus numPad enter is
particularly powerful, waking up everything when enter or mouse left clicking
does nothing.<BR>> <BR>> Off this particular topic, but encourageing, I
was able to configure Novation Nocturne Automap to Reaper's control surface by
myself with NVDA, and it was a royal pain to do with Window-Eyes; requiring
some sighted help; and NVDA easily reads the AutoMap invisible screen overlays
that Window-Eyes can't see at all.<BR>> I don't even consider
computing without NVDA any more.<BR>> When you provide these hints
how to reach controls with jaws PC cursor, I save those notes to try similar
moves in NVDA, or jaws or Wineyes; if required.<BR>> Whatever tool it takes
to get the job done, right?<BR>> Indi<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On
8/30/2013 12:02 AM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:<BR>>> I got it working.
And it works with the auto hot key script. My problem was that I was working
with in the NVDA environment instead of the jaws environment. I was able to
assign a kick drum to pad one. I'm going to try to build an entire kit now. I
don't know how we will be able to access layers, or key ranges. Maybe the
developer of the auto hot key scripts will add some more keystrokes to a
couple more of the buttons and we will be good to go. This is very promising,
and I am super excited that this is finally working out.<BR>>> I
appreciate everyone for the help that they have given me with this, and will
continue to give. I feel like this community is getting things
done.<BR>>> <BR>>> This is what a list is all about.<BR>>>
Thanks again for the help.<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> On Aug 29,
2013, at 8:35 PM, "T.Reid" <<A
href="mailto:treid99@gmail.com">treid99@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>>
<BR>>>> Ok, that's my bad. I shouldn't have said tab. I just went
back in and did it<BR>>>> without my HSC spots. Here's what you
do...<BR>>>> BTW I am running 1-1-50-57<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> Insert the virtual instrument<BR>>>> From the
bridged window, invoke the Jaws cursor and route to PC<BR>>>> Go back
to the PC cursor mode<BR>>>> Use your down arrow a few time. If you
don't hear any of the labels, alt tab<BR>>>> away from the Poise
window and then come back to Poise<BR>>>> Try down
arrowing.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Now you might hear show browser
button, pitch button...<BR>>>> At each of these buttons if you
simulate a right mouse click and sometimes<BR>>>> left mouse click
you will get a menu.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> When you get to the
pads, do the right click and you will see all of the<BR>>>>
awesome options available.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> This sounds
complicated, but when you see all that is almost easily at
your<BR>>>> fingertips you will understand why I said it's very close
to being an<BR>>>> accessible app for blind folks.<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> C'mon manI want to see you get this working.<BR>>>>
<BR>>>> t<BR>>>> ---<BR>>>> #PennyPushUps Begins
September 1 - September 30, 2013<BR>>>> Supporting children with eye
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---<BR>>>> <BR>>>> <BR>>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces@reaaccess.com] On
Behalf Of Goldfinga<BR>>>> Productions<BR>>>> Sent:
Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:55 PM<BR>>>> To: Reapers Without
Peepers<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] my poise question
again<BR>>>> <BR>>>> When I tab, I eventually get to a place
where I hear nothing. Kind of like a<BR>>>> dead
zone.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 7:18 PM, "T.Reid"
<<A href="mailto:treid99@gmail.com">treid99@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>>> Using Jaws I was able to access
the pads and other controls. I was<BR>>>>> able to tab through
controls, not in any real order. When landing on<BR>>>>> the
control using the Jaws cursor I could right click and access
the<BR>>>>> menus. That was the case on other controls
too.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> My main way of using this is
through a quick HSC set that I created<BR>>>>> to move to
each pad and right click. I think Indigo uses NVDA so it's<BR>>>>>
definitely doable.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> From my
perspective, Shannon is really close to making this a very<BR>>>>>
accessible product. That is from a user perspective not in terms
of<BR>>>>> the amount of coding that needs to take
place.<BR>>>>> You never said if you have tried loading a sample
kit. I think this<BR>>>>> would be helpful even in helping you to
navigate the screen and<BR>>>>> figuring out the best method for
interacting.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> t<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> ---<BR>>>>>
#PennyPushUps Begins September 1 - September 30, 2013
Supporting<BR>>>>> children with eye cancer by turning 1 penny
into $$$, 1 push up at a<BR>>>>> time!<BR>>>>> <A
href="http://www.pennypushups.org">www.pennypushups.org</A><BR>>>>>
---<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces@reaaccess.com]
On Behalf Of Goldfinga<BR>>>>> Productions<BR>>>>>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:53 PM<BR>>>>> To: Reapers
Without Peepers<BR>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] my poise question
again<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> I'm using NVDA, so I'm not able
to see the pad even though he labeled<BR>>>>
them.<BR>>>>> How are you doing that?<BR>>>>>
<BR>>>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 6:19 PM, "T.Reid" <<A
href="mailto:treid99@gmail.com">treid99@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>> How are you first
selecting a pad? Are you using scripts or just
the<BR>>>>>> version that Shannon put out where the pads are
labeled.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> Either way when you
are on a pad you want to invoke a right mouse<BR>>>>>> click. I
haven't tried the AHK script but the HSC spot that I
created<BR>>>>>> I auto invoke a right mouse click to drop down
the menu.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> Then I use the
available paste menu.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
t<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> ---<BR>>>>>>
#PennyPushUps Begins September 1 - September 30, 2013
Supporting<BR>>>>>> children with eye cancer by turning 1 penny
into $$$, 1 push up at a<BR>>>>>> time!<BR>>>>>>
<A
href="http://www.pennypushups.org">www.pennypushups.org</A><BR>>>>>>
---<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>>>>>> From: RWP
[mailto:rwp-bounces@reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of
Goldfinga<BR>>>>>> Productions<BR>>>>>> Sent:
Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:48 PM<BR>>>>>> To: Reapers
Without Peepers<BR>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] my poise question
again<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> I've been speaking with
the developer, and I don't know if that's<BR>>>>>> going to
work. I've tried it and it did not work on this end. Are
you<BR>>>>>> using the mouse to click on the pad to paste it?
If so, I can't seem<BR>>>>>> to get that to work
either.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>> I don't think the
plug-in allows control V to be passed through to it<BR>>>>>>
that way.<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 9:58 PM, "T.Reid" <<A
href="mailto:treid99@gmail.com">treid99@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> I'm not sure what
control L does.<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Once
the sample is pasted onto the drum pad, then you should be
able<BR>>>>>>> to press the key on your midi keyboard
that triggers the pad. You<BR>>>>>>> will hear the sample.
Of course, make sure your track in Reaper is<BR>>>>>>
armed...<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Have you
been able to load a sample kit and play?<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> If so, while the sample kit is loaded go to pad 9
which more than<BR>>>>>>> likely is empty. Paste a sample
there and see if it works. Just<BR>>>>>>> don't
save<BR>>>>>> the kit.<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> t<BR>>>>>>>
---<BR>>>>>>> #PennyPushUps Begins September 1 - September
30, 2013 Supporting<BR>>>>>>> children with eye cancer by
turning 1 penny into $$$, 1 push up at a<BR>>>>>>>
time!<BR>>>>>>> <A
href="http://www.pennypushups.org">www.pennypushups.org</A><BR>>>>>>>
---<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>>>>>> From: RWP
[mailto:rwp-bounces@reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of
Goldfinga<BR>>>>>>> Productions<BR>>>>>>>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:20 PM<BR>>>>>>> To:
Reapers Without Peepers<BR>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [RWP] my
poise question again<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>
I tried that, and the sample didn't play when I hit control L
after<BR>>>> that.<BR>>>>>>> I wonder what's going
on on my end. I'm pasting wave files as well.<BR>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at
4:58 PM, "T.Reid" <<A
href="mailto:treid99@gmail.com">treid99@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> The way I
do this is:<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
In a separate Windows Explorer window, I navigate to the
folder<BR>>>>>>>> containing my samples (The browser in
Poise is not accessible) I<BR>>>>>>>> copy my desired
file to the clipboard Switching back to Poise:<BR>>>>>>>>
I navigate to the desired drum pad and from the menu choose
paste<BR>>>>>>>> Boom!<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> Now, let those golden Fingers go to work! Let
me know if that helps!<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> t<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> ---<BR>>>>>>>>
#PennyPushUps Begins September 1 - September 30, 2013
Supporting<BR>>>>>>>> children with eye cancer by turning
1 penny into $$$, 1 push up at<BR>>>>>>>> a
time!<BR>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://www.pennypushups.org">www.pennypushups.org</A><BR>>>>>>>>
---<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>>>>>>>> From: RWP
[mailto:rwp-bounces@reaaccess.com] On Behalf Of
Goldfinga<BR>>>>>>>>
Productions<BR>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013
12:02 PM<BR>>>>>>>> To: Reapers Without
Peepers<BR>>>>>>>> Subject: [RWP] my poise question
again<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> Hello
list. I don't know if no one knows how to do this, or
maybe<BR>>>>>>>> my message didn't get
through.<BR>>>>>>>> Has anyone had any success loading
samples into poise?<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> I was talking to Shannon just yesterday about
a possible solution,<BR>>>>>>>> and it didn't work. We
are troubleshooting still trying to find<BR>>>>>>>> ways
to fix some of the accessibility.<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> So if anyone has had any luck loading samples
into poise, please<BR>>>>>>>> let me
know.<BR>>>>>>>> Thanks.<BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
GF<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>> Check me
out on twitter<BR>>>>>>>> <A
href="http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas">http://www.twitter.com/goldfingas</A><BR>>>>>>>>
<BR>>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>>>
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GF<BR>>>>>>> <BR>>>>>>> Check me out on
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<BR>>>>>> Check me out on twitter<BR>>>>>> <A
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<BR>>>>> Check me out on twitter<BR>>>>> <A
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