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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Yes, xml files can be good too, that's what I do to
install windows 7 without sight,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>though I don't know the xml language, one can
certainly use a pre existing one and change values.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:01
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>Thanks for all these details Chris. I've copied
this email and put in my notes for working on Poise. <BR><BR><BR><FONT size=2
face=Arial>> .ini files we can edit are good too.</FONT><BR><BR>How about
XML files? Poise uses XML for saving patch data. <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Thanks,
<BR>Shannon<BR><BR><BR>On 9/07/2013 6:38 PM, Chris Belle wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ok, here's what I know generally about
accessibility issues which may or may not help you.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>For windows, if standard controls are used,
thken about anything can be made accessible,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>but since many of these cross platform tools
like dot net framework and such are used to build these things, that is done
primarily with pixels, and that's not so accessible.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So we end up using screen-scraping tools which
build second menus and route the mouse for us to click on things or lock on
knobs to make things go.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If we're lucky, then clicking on a knob will
give keyboard access to the knob, and we can turn it that way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Such as what happens with
sessiondrummer3.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Tooltips that bring up text are good, our
screen-readers can deal with that pretty well, but in general, the more
keyboard access the better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If one can pull down menus from a keyboard, or
even if we do have to do some mouse clicks, if we can run the mouse around
the screen and text speaks, then that is good.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>.ini files we can edit are good
too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Also giving midi cc access is good, and
documentation in plain text or rtf, anything but that blasted pdf
format,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>blind folks don't like pdf in general
'grin'.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Also, many vst's expose automatable
parameters.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>in reaper and in sonar in the inspector pane,
and the synth rack,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>and the fx view in reaper where we can adjust
values for things.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So allowing that to happen is
great.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Many plug-ins which are only pixels in the
native ui offer enough access with automatible parms that we can use them
even if they aren't scripted for.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ok, there's a guy on here Roy, who you probably
know of already, he's a bit more of a programmer than I am, well, a lot
more,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>and he can talk turkey with you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So can Jim the snowman, who's the big
daddy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>jaws dude who made hsc for us, the magic tool
that let's jaws users build their own access for difficult
plugs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>He's also started using hsc,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>which is a more generic helper app which isn't
screen-reader dependant so everyone can come to the party as it
were.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ok, I've blathered on enough for
now.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Time to dive in to pois.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>Hi Chris,<BR><BR>Poise is a drum sampler VST
for Windows. Details can be seen here <A
href="http://www.onesmallclue.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.onesmallclue.com</A><BR><BR>Any help will be
appreciated. I'm entirely new to building software with accessibility in
mind. Google has provided a few leads which I'm following up now. It would
be great to have someone for advice with the finer
details.<BR><BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Shannon<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 9/07/2013 3:20
PM, Chris Belle wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Shannon, Chris Belle here.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I kind of missed this whole bois thing, but
I am an advanced user, using multiple screen-readers, and have done a
bit of access work myself with third party utils</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>like ahk and hsc, though you couldn't put
me in the programming arena, not quite there yet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Give me your website and I'll get educated,
and help if I can.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It's sure nice to have folks like you in
our corner.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Hello list,<BR><BR>Thanks for the welcome
Goldfinga,<BR><BR>As Goldfinga says I've been working on Poise to
improve it's <BR>accessibility. I've made a couple small changes
already based on couple <BR>suggestions. At the moment I'm working on
labeling the graphics so the <BR>GUI can be used with screen
readers.<BR><BR><BR>Cheers,<BR>Shannon<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.onesmallclue.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.onesmallclue.com</A><BR><A
href="mailto:shannon@onesmallclue.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">shannon@onesmallclue.com</A><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On
8/07/2013 10:50 PM, Goldfinga Productions wrote:<BR>> We've made
things easier. We will just use this list. Welcome Shannon… Now, where
are the programmers? LOL<BR>><BR>>
GF<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Jul 8, 2013, at 5:38 AM, Kevin
Reeves <<A href="mailto:lists@kevinreeves.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">lists@kevinreeves.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Yeah. Let's do
it.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Will you use something like
Google Groups or something?<BR>>><BR>>>
Kevin<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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