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<DIV>Thanks Brian. Yes I do intend to see if I can get this interface sorted
out. The music shop I’m going to go to should be able to help me there. To
answer your questions, no the hardware setup doesn’t run when you plug the
device in. I’m using Windows 7 and I downloaded the latest driver from Echo
Digital’s website. According to the guy I took it to in the computer shop here,
there is a light on the front panel which does not come on constantly. It
flashes on and off, whereas he said it should be constant. Not sure if this is
relevant or not and neither was he really. I live in a regional town which is
why I want to go to this music store in Brisbane, Queensland. I know they repare
stuff as well so they should be able to tell me what’s going on I hope.</DIV>
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<DIV>If I can get it working, well and good, but if not, thanks for your
suggestions.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV>Rikki.</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=brian_w_casey@hotmail.com
href="mailto:brian_w_casey@hotmail.com">Brian Casey</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 03, 2012 11:11 AM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RWP] Links to run Reaper from BCF2000 control
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style="FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none">Hi
guys,<BR><BR>I'd like to join the convursation and point out a few
things.<BR><BR>Firstly both were mentioned in this convursation so far, but the
BCF 2000 <BR>has faders, the BCR 2000 is just a control surfaces with a lot of
knobs and <BR>switches, but equally useful and possible more so for synths...you
can use <BR>both in conjunction with eachother to the best of my
knowledge.<BR><BR>The macky would to be fair have a better build quality than
the Behringer <BR>and I guess they also put in the initial R and D, but the main
price <BR>difference as far as I can see aside from branding and build quality
are the <BR>lack of a Screen in the behringer, and the fact that the faders on
the macky <BR>are both motorised and touch sensative, where as the Behringer are
just <BR>motorised. This may not seem important, but it means that the Behringer
<BR>can't be interupted when reading automation to write more automation, that
<BR>is it will move the faders with any previously written automation but it
<BR>can't be brought into action in the middle of moving, or at least that's
<BR>what I understand the difference to be.<BR><BR>It may be important for you
if you intend using it for complicated mixes.<BR><BR>Rikki, I think you should
investigate why your old interface isn't working a <BR>bit more, particularly if
it is your first time dabbling, getting interfaces <BR>going can be tricky when
your not used to it, up to date drivers are a must <BR>and there can be
conflicts with certain firewire chips. You say its not <BR>being recognised by
your computer, how do you mean? Are you using windows xp <BR>or windows 7? Does
the hard ware set up wizard come up when you turn on your <BR>interface and plug
it in?<BR><BR>If we can't get it going for you, I'd ask what you hope to achieve
before <BR>choosing a new interface. I use an RME Fireface UFX which I guess
would be <BR>in the region of $1600 or possibly more, but it is a very flexible
and <BR>fairly high quality interface....if your loking for something a bit more
<BR>affordable and with less flexability focusright have a saffire range that is
<BR>great value for money.<BR><BR>Hope that
helps,<BR><BR>Brian.<BR>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From:
"indigo" <33indigo@charter.net><BR>Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:55
AM<BR>To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp@reaaccess.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[RWP] Links to run Reaper from BCF2000 control surface<BR><BR>> Rikki, I
don't have any firewire gear, but I constantly hear that many <BR>> firewire
sound cards only work on Texas Instrument chips in the firewire <BR>>
circuits, so maybe your soundcard isn't broken, maybe the problem is in <BR>>
the Firewire cards.<BR>> Just got my Behringer BCF2000 yesterday, and
Behringer gear is so cheap <BR>> that it's a miracle how they can do it,
but... there's no way it can be as <BR>> sturdy as the old Roland and Yamaha
Made in Japan gear of the 1990's,.<BR>> I have some of that old hardware
myself, that still works like new.<BR>> My old Roland MC-307 groove box cost
over $700 in 1990, which would be <BR>> maybe twice or 3 times that in
current dollars.<BR>><BR>> It's not only Behringer that has become more
delicate, but Yamaha and <BR>> Roland gear is all plastic now, even the pots
and switches are all <BR>> plastic, and just not as fine or enduring as the
old gear was.<BR>> It's inflation.<BR>> The dollar is so inflated now that
we'd need to pay the cost of the real <BR>> Mackie; to get that 1990's
quality.<BR>> Even so, if you treat a Behringer BCR2000 with care, it
should do the <BR>> job.<BR>> It's wonderfully powerful, and somehow
finds more parameters to tweak in <BR>> soft synths than my Edirol PCR
control surface does.<BR>> I love it, but, when myine arrived, one of the
knobs on the top row stuck <BR>> down when you pushed it, instead of
springing back up like the others; and <BR>> also didn't turn as smoothly as
the others.<BR>> I debated whether to return it to ZZounds.com, who have a
great no hassle <BR>> return policy, but I wanted to make the Behringer work
if I could, so I <BR>> got out the control lube spray can and drowned that
knob in lube.<BR>> I kept turning it and clicking it on and off until
it'became unfrozen; and <BR>> now it'works as good as the other knobs
in the row.<BR>> So, Behringer is cheap, and the quality isn't 100 percent,
but when it's <BR>> in mackie emulation mode it does most of what the Mackie
does, like you <BR>> said, for a fraction of the price.<BR>> Reaper
recognized it immediately, and; even without running the Klink <BR>> plug,
the Behringer sends program change messages to more soft synths than <BR>> my
Edirol PCR does, I don't know why that is, and tweaks a few soft synth <BR>>
parameters, like volume, or filter, in many VST synths; without even being
<BR>> configured.<BR>> Tomorrow, I'll put the BCF2000 into Mackie mode for
Cubase, and run the <BR>> Klinke plug and learn how much it controls
Reaper.<BR>> The BCF2000 has no LCD screen, and you can set modes by holding
certain <BR>> keys when turning power on, so it's very accessible.<BR>> I
don't know all the details yet, but I think that the top 8 knobs <BR>>
actually have 64 possible actions, 8 knobs, times 4 banks, times 2, <BR>>
because the knobs switch actions when pressed down.<BR>> The buttons have a
decent feel to their click, and the motorized 100 <BR>> millimeter faders are
very smooth, and a pleasure to use.<BR>> Indigo
L<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On 2/2/2012 2:46 PM, Rikki Chaplin
wrote:<BR>>> Hi,<BR>>> Thanks for this Indigo. I am about to
investigate sound cards/control<BR>>> surfaces. I have an Echo Audiofire
4, (I just wanted to start off small<BR>>> a few years ago and never got
around to it), which I have recently found<BR>>> is faulty. It is not
being recognised when I plug it into the firewire<BR>>> card I just bought
for my laptop, and I have tried it on a second<BR>>> firewire card with
the same result, confirmed by a local computer shop.<BR>>> So I will need
to either get it repaired, (if it's even possible), or<BR>>> get a new
one. So I'm reading this thread about the Behringer BCF2000<BR>>> with
great interest, as I intend to sort this out next week when I get<BR>>> to
a decent music shop.<BR>>><BR>>> My question is, I just looked at
both the Bcf 2000 and the Mackie<BR>>> control surface whose name escapes
me at the moment, and I notice that<BR>>> the Behringer is about a tenth
of the price of the Mackie! Why is this?<BR>>> Does a brand name really
attract such a price difference! Also, of<BR>>> course I know the Mackie
is much more expensive, but wouldn't it be<BR>>> easier to have the Mackie
work with Reaper in that you wouldn't have to<BR>>> install the Klinke
plugin and configure that? I may well be on the wrong<BR>>> track here, so
any recommendations on USB audio/midi interfaces would be<BR>>> good. I
don't want something too big. I want to start out small, see how<BR>>> I
go and work up from there. Midi is not something I'm familiar with<BR>>>
configuring, but I want to get into that so I'm able to at least
record<BR>>> good quality demos both for myself and others. Any
suggestions on<BR>>> audio/midi interfaces as I say would be good. I have
a couple in mind<BR>>> but feedback would be
welcome.<BR>>><BR>>> Regards,<BR>>>
Rikki.<BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>>> From:
indigo <33indigo@charter.net<BR>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
<rwp@reaaccess.com<BR>>> Date sent: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:23:10
-0500<BR>>> Subject: [RWP] Links to run Reaper from BCF2000 control
surface<BR>>><BR>>> Content preview: Okay, here are links to the
Cockos forum where <BR>>> everything<BR>>> about running Reaper from
the Behringer BCF2000 control surface have been<BR>>> gathered in 1 place,
plus a link where you can download Klinke's plug by<BR>>>
Nofish.<BR>>> Klinke is the programmer who developed the VST plug to set
up a Behringer<BR>>> BCF2000 to run Reaper, and I think Nofish is the
English translater. <BR>>> Below<BR>>> that is what passes for a
users guide by musicbynumber to how Klinke's <BR>>> plug<BR>>> sets
up the controls on the Behringer BCF2000. All this is still <BR>>>
evolving,<BR>>> but sighted users on the forums are saying it works well,
and my own<BR>>> BCF2000<BR>>> is on its way, so I'll try Klinke's
plug soon. [...]<BR>>><BR>>> Content analysis details: (-0.0 points,
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NO<BR>>><BR>>> Okay, here are links to the Cockos forum where
everything about running<BR>>> Reaper from the Behringer BCF2000 control
surface have been gathered in<BR>>> 1 place, plus a link where you can
download Klinke's plug by Nofish.<BR>>> Klinke is the programmer who
developed the VST plug to set up a<BR>>> Behringer BCF2000 to run Reaper,
and I think Nofish is the English<BR>>> translater.<BR>>> Below that
is what passes for a users guide by musicbynumber<BR>>> to how Klinke's
plug sets up the controls on the Behringer BCF2000.<BR>>> All this is
still evolving, but sighted users on the forums are saying<BR>>> it works
well, and my own BCF2000 is on its way, so I'll try Klinke's<BR>>> plug
soon.<BR>>><BR>>> Along with this plug to set up the BCF2000 for
Reaper, is the new Mackie<BR>>> Reader, which will provide speech for all
controls on the BCF2000.<BR>>> The Mackie Reader is in its final stages of
development and coming soon.<BR>>> I'll posts links for Mackie Reader as
soon as possible.<BR>>><BR>>> Indigo L<BR>>><BR>>>
Central Cockos Forum for running Reaper from Behringer BCF2000:<BR>>>
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=60110<BR>>> Link to find Klinke's
plug by Nofish; for setting up BCF2000 to run <BR>>> Reaper:<BR>>>
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=60110<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Mackie Control now with plugin control ;-) And with Action-Mode.<BR>>>
musicbynumber<BR>>> BCF2000 help guide thing.. very
rough<BR>>><BR>>> First things first<BR>>> you have to get the
latest behringer usb drivers for it to work well<BR>>> over usb (never
tried it over midi). They are multiclient and that's<BR>>> what's needed
to talk with the BcfView and reaper at the same time. That<BR>>> is
probably why none of it's<BR>>> This link gives you a guide to the bcf in
mcu cubase mode<BR>>>
http://www.behringerdownload.de/BCF2...tion_modes.pdf<BR>>><BR>>>
There's an overview for the controls but only when it's set up for
sonar<BR>>> mcu so I will try and get round to making a picture but here's
an idea.<BR>>> ---top group of 4 buttons..<BR>>><BR>>> -top
left one is a shift key and does solo and record arm and some<BR>>>
automation modes using the group of 4 below it) and in combination
with<BR>>> the top right it does flip mode.<BR>>> -the bottom left
is also a shift key that allows you to also use the<BR>>> group of four
below it to change automation modes (and some stuff on the<BR>>> transport
controls too but not sure yet) EDIT: it also gives you 8<BR>>> function
keys (cc's in action list) that are the 8 select buttons (you<BR>>> have 8
more with the real shift key but hard to get to)<BR>>> -the top right is
sends mode, press again for recieves mode (makes<BR>>> headphone sends a
dream to work with.<BR>>> -the bottom right seems to be a toggle switch
too but only in fx and<BR>>> action mode.<BR>>><BR>>> --middle
group of four.<BR>>><BR>>> -bottom left is normal pan and channel
mode (use control to select<BR>>> multiple tracks unless you have the
original select method on)<BR>>><BR>>> -top left is action mode,
this is stunning, if you have relative mode on<BR>>> for that encoder you
get a midi cc sent on push, release and turn BUT<BR>>> just as cool is if
you take relative mode off you now get a cc sent on a<BR>>> clockwise turn
and a different one on anti clockwise and they repeat<BR>>> with each
click so this allows you to do cool things like stretch and<BR>>> item or
shorten it by turning a knob or timestretch or pitch or any<BR>>> commands
that have a positive and negative adjust. It's very
powerful!<BR>>><BR>>> top right is also fx mode, note, the rotary
encoders can be used for<BR>>> things like frequency but the have to be
learnt (you have to go through<BR>>> all the steps) but this also allows
them to be used for things like eq<BR>>> type and they even get the right
names once you get used to it, it is<BR>>> fast and powerful and far
superior even to automap (which I have two<BR>>>
devices)<BR>>><BR>>> -bottom right seems to be a toggle modifier
again still learning it.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> --two buttons on
their own.<BR>>><BR>>> -bank left and right but if you hold one of
the shifts they move through<BR>>> single channels instead of banks of
8.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> --bottom four
buttons<BR>>><BR>>> -the usual, stop, play, fast forward and
reverse, the shifts do things<BR>>> like activate record and
cycle.<BR>>><BR>>>
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