[Rwp] Help with noise removal
James Teh
jamie at nvaccess.org
Tue May 24 00:41:14 EDT 2016
After you add the effect, press escape to close the FX chain. The effect
will still be on the track. Now press shift+p from the track, not the FX
chain.
Note that you can get to the FX chain more quickly by pressing f.
Jamie
On 24/05/2016 2:30 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> Right, but *nothing* I do makes shift-p acknowledge that I've added a
> plugin to the track. What I do:
>
>
> 1. Right click/applications key on the selected track.
>
> 2. Select "FX chain" or whatever the option is called--don't have my
> Windows VM in front of me.
>
> 3. Tab to the search field, type in "reafir".
>
> 4. Press Enter, select the plugin and press Enter again.
>
> 5. I'm now on a screen of what seem to be accessible parameters. At
> this point, nothing I do seems to make shift-p say anything other than
> "No effect."
>
>
> So I feel like I'm missing some point where the plugin, as described
> in the UI, isn't being added to the track in a way that shift-p can
> discover it. I don't know if there's some step to dismiss this plugin
> UI and switch back to the track display, persisting the plugin
> settings to the track after which shift-p edits them.
>
>
>
> On 05/23/2016 07:28 PM, James Teh wrote:
>> Regarding the Windows specific part of this:
>> 1. With regard to the generic UI (the UI button), on Windows, you're
>> better off using OSARA's FX Parameters (shift+p) dialog. It gives you
>> access to the same stuff, but it's more accessible than EAPER's
>> generic UI on Windows.
>> 2. In REAPER 5.20, the sliders and tab controls in the real UIs for
>> the stock REAPER plug-ins (Rea*) should now be accessible.
>>
>> Jamie
>>
>> On 24/05/2016 10:17 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>> That part i can’t answer as on OS X i just use the actual plug in
>>> window. All the reaper included plug ins i have tried seem
>>> accessible and most third party plug ins are if i switch them the
>>> the Generic UI mode ( so not sure about how that Shift+P dialog is
>>> supposed to work perhaps someone else can chime in there.
>>> which by the way is what the UI button does it switches between the
>>> plug ins actually GUI and a Generic UI that just displays all the
>>> parameters)
>>>> On May 23, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Nolan Darilek <nolan at thewordnerd.info>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Right, but according to the linked article, if I select noise,
>>>> enable Repeat, click the Set Noise Profile checkbox and start
>>>> playing with space, I'll hear my noise and then silence at the
>>>> point where the track repeats and is being subtracted. I understand
>>>> the concept of non-destructive edits, but shouldn't monitoring
>>>> overlay my edits onto the original audio and play the differences
>>>> (I.e. what would ultimately be rendered?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to be difficult. I think I do get all the basic concepts
>>>> here, but there seems like some step I'm missing.
>>>>
>>>> Let me simplify the question. If I right-click a track, select the
>>>> FX chain, then select an effect and am in its parameters window,
>>>> shouldn't shift-P in Osara take me to the effect parameters window?
>>>> It *always* says "No effect" and I never get it to do otherwise,
>>>> even if I'm back in the track window.
>>>>
>>>> On 05/23/2016 06:57 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>> Ah welcome to the world of non destructive editing. The reason you
>>>>> don’t see a one or close button is because in reaper when you
>>>>> process audio through plug in its not actually altering your audio
>>>>> file overtime you press play its processing your file through the
>>>>> plug in.so you can undo it at any point. you would have to render
>>>>> the item as a new item, freeze it or etc to get a new version
>>>>> with the processing added to it. Normally the way this works, is
>>>>> you select a part with just the noise, click whatever button in
>>>>> the plug in window that tells it that it will be your noise
>>>>> profile, then you have to select the entire audio file and apply
>>>>> that noise profile to it. Once you got the file sounding clean
>>>>> you would have to go into reaper’s render options to render a new
>>>>> file with the processing added in. Now to give you actually step
>>>>> bye step as to what to click on in that plug in window i’d have to
>>>>> load up reaper with a noisy audio file. and look at the actual
>>>>> plug in window If you want to link me to fail i can use and that
>>>>> home brew recording article again i can try to put together a demo
>>>>> for you. as i don’t think i have any n noisy files to work with at
>>>>> the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 23, 2016, at 7:31 PM, Nolan Darilek
>>>>>> <nolan at thewordnerd.info> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And interestingly enough, I don't know that there's anything
>>>>>> regarding this particular plugin window that is unique. IOW, if I
>>>>>> can't get *this* effect to persist to the track and be audible
>>>>>> when I attempt to use shift-p, then how can I do that for *any*
>>>>>> event? There are a couple strange buttons, like one called "UI".
>>>>>> I suppose I could try clicking each and seeing if one does
>>>>>> something. I'd have expected an OK/Save/Close button or something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/23/2016 05:59 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>>> I’d have to agree for anything editing one or more audio tracks
>>>>>>> at a time Reaper will be better in the long run than Audacity
>>>>>>> unless their accessibility got a big bump. Reaper is a lot more
>>>>>>> flexible in its editing as well which means the learning curve
>>>>>>> can be a bit steeper but it will pay off in the end. I think in
>>>>>>> the case of the noise removal you probably just need some
>>>>>>> clarification around how to get to or do certain things from the
>>>>>>> keyboard, but as i mostly use reaper on OS X i am not really
>>>>>>> sure what in that plug in window is visible to your screen
>>>>>>> reader in windows.
>>>>>>>> On May 23, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Nolan Darilek
>>>>>>>> <nolan at thewordnerd.info> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks. My understanding, based on an albeit limited amount of
>>>>>>>> research, was that Reaper was better than Audacity for editing
>>>>>>>> podcasts and podcast-like audio. In particular, I like that it
>>>>>>>> auto fades in and out audio around deletions, something that
>>>>>>>> took up lots of time with Audacity. Also, it is claimed that
>>>>>>>> ReaFIR's noise removal algorithm is better than that of
>>>>>>>> Audacity. I'm also not sure if Audacity's accessibility has
>>>>>>>> improved over the last few years, but the last time I attempted
>>>>>>>> to use it I didn't get spoken feedback for such useful but
>>>>>>>> basic features as selecting sections of audio on a track. I
>>>>>>>> could select a track, but got no spoken feedback when
>>>>>>>> attempting to remove a piece of audio to strike out a flubbed
>>>>>>>> sentence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, unless Audacity access has improved, or a plugin will
>>>>>>>> auto-fade audio around deletion points, I think Audacity will
>>>>>>>> be more painful to use than would Reaper. I did some research
>>>>>>>> regarding using it for podcast production and it seemed like a
>>>>>>>> workable and better Audacity alternative. Did I just not do
>>>>>>>> enough research?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 05/23/2016 04:55 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi there:
>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, perhaps you are not using the most useful tool
>>>>>>>>> for your needs. It is not related to your experience or skill
>>>>>>>>> level at all, but editing audio in reaper is like cooking a
>>>>>>>>> burger using a laser gun. it is doable, but, well, if audacity
>>>>>>>>> seems hard to handle for you, definitely reaper will be almost
>>>>>>>>> the same. Reaper"s philosofy is oriented for music production,
>>>>>>>>> I recomend you to take another look at audacity (it is a great
>>>>>>>>> software and prety accessible), goldwave, or soundforge, if
>>>>>>>>> you want to simply edit audio.
>>>>>>>>> Talking about noise reduction, I never had success doing it in
>>>>>>>>> reaper, someone else could help you if possible; anyways, it
>>>>>>>>> is prety doable and easy in audacity, much easier, I am sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>>>>>> Y
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> El 23 may 2016, a las 19:19, Nolan Darilek
>>>>>>>>>> <nolan at thewordnerd.info> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey all. New to Reaper and decided to give it a shot after
>>>>>>>>>> fighting with Audacity for years and feeling like it makes my
>>>>>>>>>> light audio editing a pain. I've been reading lots, and while
>>>>>>>>>> there's plenty of information out there, it seems to be
>>>>>>>>>> presented across several different sources and makes getting
>>>>>>>>>> up and running challenging. So apologies if there are basic
>>>>>>>>>> answers to my questions which I just haven't found.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My setup is Reaper 5.20 with the Osara plugin running under
>>>>>>>>>> NVDA. I have a track recorded on a somewhat noisy digital
>>>>>>>>>> recorder, so my first task is removing noise.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've found this guide:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.homebrewaudio.com/reafir-madness-hidden-noise-reduction-tool-in-reaper/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To make my task easier, I recorded about 30 seconds of
>>>>>>>>>> ambient noise on my recorder before my voice begins. I set
>>>>>>>>>> the loop start/end points, enabled repeat, ensured that the
>>>>>>>>>> track contains only noise. Then I followed these instructions
>>>>>>>>>> right up to the point where I'm told to close the effects
>>>>>>>>>> window, which I can't seem to do. What I do is enable the
>>>>>>>>>> Create Noise Profile checkbox and play my noise, but nothing
>>>>>>>>>> I do ever gets it removed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, this article seems to imply that eventually you'll hear
>>>>>>>>>> silence, because the noise filter will remove the noise from
>>>>>>>>>> the repeated track. I never hear silence. Instead, I hear my
>>>>>>>>>> noisy loop repeated again and again. Additionally, the Osara
>>>>>>>>>> commands shift/control-shift-p claim there are no effects on
>>>>>>>>>> the selected tracks. This leads me to believe that I'm just
>>>>>>>>>> editing effect parameters, and there's some enable/persist
>>>>>>>>>> step obvious in the UI but not apparent to accessibility. I
>>>>>>>>>> think there's a bit in the performance settings dialog where
>>>>>>>>>> it shows effect performance, but I never see the values climb
>>>>>>>>>> above 0.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What am I missing? Trying to be patient but this is
>>>>>>>>>> enormously frustrating. I'm a software developer with lots of
>>>>>>>>>> experience, and Reaper shouldn't be *this* confusing. :)
>>>>>>>>>> Audio editing sure, but I can't even apply an effect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
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