[Rwp] Help with noise removal
Nolan Darilek
nolan at thewordnerd.info
Tue May 24 00:30:53 EDT 2016
Right, but *nothing* I do makes shift-p acknowledge that I've added a
plugin to the track. What I do:
1. Right click/applications key on the selected track.
2. Select "FX chain" or whatever the option is called--don't have my
Windows VM in front of me.
3. Tab to the search field, type in "reafir".
4. Press Enter, select the plugin and press Enter again.
5. I'm now on a screen of what seem to be accessible parameters. At this
point, nothing I do seems to make shift-p say anything other than "No
effect."
So I feel like I'm missing some point where the plugin, as described in
the UI, isn't being added to the track in a way that shift-p can
discover it. I don't know if there's some step to dismiss this plugin UI
and switch back to the track display, persisting the plugin settings to
the track after which shift-p edits them.
On 05/23/2016 07:28 PM, James Teh wrote:
> Regarding the Windows specific part of this:
> 1. With regard to the generic UI (the UI button), on Windows, you're
> better off using OSARA's FX Parameters (shift+p) dialog. It gives you
> access to the same stuff, but it's more accessible than EAPER's
> generic UI on Windows.
> 2. In REAPER 5.20, the sliders and tab controls in the real UIs for
> the stock REAPER plug-ins (Rea*) should now be accessible.
>
> Jamie
>
> On 24/05/2016 10:17 AM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>> That part i can’t answer as on OS X i just use the actual plug in
>> window. All the reaper included plug ins i have tried seem
>> accessible and most third party plug ins are if i switch them the the
>> Generic UI mode ( so not sure about how that Shift+P dialog is
>> supposed to work perhaps someone else can chime in there.
>> which by the way is what the UI button does it switches between the
>> plug ins actually GUI and a Generic UI that just displays all the
>> parameters)
>>> On May 23, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Nolan Darilek <nolan at thewordnerd.info>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Right, but according to the linked article, if I select noise,
>>> enable Repeat, click the Set Noise Profile checkbox and start
>>> playing with space, I'll hear my noise and then silence at the point
>>> where the track repeats and is being subtracted. I understand the
>>> concept of non-destructive edits, but shouldn't monitoring overlay
>>> my edits onto the original audio and play the differences (I.e. what
>>> would ultimately be rendered?)
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry to be difficult. I think I do get all the basic concepts here,
>>> but there seems like some step I'm missing.
>>>
>>> Let me simplify the question. If I right-click a track, select the
>>> FX chain, then select an effect and am in its parameters window,
>>> shouldn't shift-P in Osara take me to the effect parameters window?
>>> It *always* says "No effect" and I never get it to do otherwise,
>>> even if I'm back in the track window.
>>>
>>> On 05/23/2016 06:57 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>> Ah welcome to the world of non destructive editing. The reason you
>>>> don’t see a one or close button is because in reaper when you
>>>> process audio through plug in its not actually altering your audio
>>>> file overtime you press play its processing your file through the
>>>> plug in.so you can undo it at any point. you would have to render
>>>> the item as a new item, freeze it or etc to get a new version with
>>>> the processing added to it. Normally the way this works, is you
>>>> select a part with just the noise, click whatever button in the
>>>> plug in window that tells it that it will be your noise profile,
>>>> then you have to select the entire audio file and apply that noise
>>>> profile to it. Once you got the file sounding clean you would have
>>>> to go into reaper’s render options to render a new file with the
>>>> processing added in. Now to give you actually step bye step as to
>>>> what to click on in that plug in window i’d have to load up reaper
>>>> with a noisy audio file. and look at the actual plug in window If
>>>> you want to link me to fail i can use and that home brew recording
>>>> article again i can try to put together a demo for you. as i don’t
>>>> think i have any n noisy files to work with at the moment.
>>>>
>>>>> On May 23, 2016, at 7:31 PM, Nolan Darilek
>>>>> <nolan at thewordnerd.info> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And interestingly enough, I don't know that there's anything
>>>>> regarding this particular plugin window that is unique. IOW, if I
>>>>> can't get *this* effect to persist to the track and be audible
>>>>> when I attempt to use shift-p, then how can I do that for *any*
>>>>> event? There are a couple strange buttons, like one called "UI". I
>>>>> suppose I could try clicking each and seeing if one does
>>>>> something. I'd have expected an OK/Save/Close button or something.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/23/2016 05:59 PM, TheOreoMonster wrote:
>>>>>> I’d have to agree for anything editing one or more audio tracks
>>>>>> at a time Reaper will be better in the long run than Audacity
>>>>>> unless their accessibility got a big bump. Reaper is a lot more
>>>>>> flexible in its editing as well which means the learning curve
>>>>>> can be a bit steeper but it will pay off in the end. I think in
>>>>>> the case of the noise removal you probably just need some
>>>>>> clarification around how to get to or do certain things from the
>>>>>> keyboard, but as i mostly use reaper on OS X i am not really sure
>>>>>> what in that plug in window is visible to your screen reader in
>>>>>> windows.
>>>>>>> On May 23, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Nolan Darilek
>>>>>>> <nolan at thewordnerd.info> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks. My understanding, based on an albeit limited amount of
>>>>>>> research, was that Reaper was better than Audacity for editing
>>>>>>> podcasts and podcast-like audio. In particular, I like that it
>>>>>>> auto fades in and out audio around deletions, something that
>>>>>>> took up lots of time with Audacity. Also, it is claimed that
>>>>>>> ReaFIR's noise removal algorithm is better than that of
>>>>>>> Audacity. I'm also not sure if Audacity's accessibility has
>>>>>>> improved over the last few years, but the last time I attempted
>>>>>>> to use it I didn't get spoken feedback for such useful but basic
>>>>>>> features as selecting sections of audio on a track. I could
>>>>>>> select a track, but got no spoken feedback when attempting to
>>>>>>> remove a piece of audio to strike out a flubbed sentence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, unless Audacity access has improved, or a plugin will
>>>>>>> auto-fade audio around deletion points, I think Audacity will be
>>>>>>> more painful to use than would Reaper. I did some research
>>>>>>> regarding using it for podcast production and it seemed like a
>>>>>>> workable and better Audacity alternative. Did I just not do
>>>>>>> enough research?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 05/23/2016 04:55 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi there:
>>>>>>>> In my opinion, perhaps you are not using the most useful tool
>>>>>>>> for your needs. It is not related to your experience or skill
>>>>>>>> level at all, but editing audio in reaper is like cooking a
>>>>>>>> burger using a laser gun. it is doable, but, well, if audacity
>>>>>>>> seems hard to handle for you, definitely reaper will be almost
>>>>>>>> the same. Reaper"s philosofy is oriented for music production,
>>>>>>>> I recomend you to take another look at audacity (it is a great
>>>>>>>> software and prety accessible), goldwave, or soundforge, if you
>>>>>>>> want to simply edit audio.
>>>>>>>> Talking about noise reduction, I never had success doing it in
>>>>>>>> reaper, someone else could help you if possible; anyways, it is
>>>>>>>> prety doable and easy in audacity, much easier, I am sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>>>>> Y
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> El 23 may 2016, a las 19:19, Nolan Darilek
>>>>>>>>> <nolan at thewordnerd.info> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey all. New to Reaper and decided to give it a shot after
>>>>>>>>> fighting with Audacity for years and feeling like it makes my
>>>>>>>>> light audio editing a pain. I've been reading lots, and while
>>>>>>>>> there's plenty of information out there, it seems to be
>>>>>>>>> presented across several different sources and makes getting
>>>>>>>>> up and running challenging. So apologies if there are basic
>>>>>>>>> answers to my questions which I just haven't found.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My setup is Reaper 5.20 with the Osara plugin running under
>>>>>>>>> NVDA. I have a track recorded on a somewhat noisy digital
>>>>>>>>> recorder, so my first task is removing noise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've found this guide:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.homebrewaudio.com/reafir-madness-hidden-noise-reduction-tool-in-reaper/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To make my task easier, I recorded about 30 seconds of ambient
>>>>>>>>> noise on my recorder before my voice begins. I set the loop
>>>>>>>>> start/end points, enabled repeat, ensured that the track
>>>>>>>>> contains only noise. Then I followed these instructions right
>>>>>>>>> up to the point where I'm told to close the effects window,
>>>>>>>>> which I can't seem to do. What I do is enable the Create Noise
>>>>>>>>> Profile checkbox and play my noise, but nothing I do ever gets
>>>>>>>>> it removed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, this article seems to imply that eventually you'll hear
>>>>>>>>> silence, because the noise filter will remove the noise from
>>>>>>>>> the repeated track. I never hear silence. Instead, I hear my
>>>>>>>>> noisy loop repeated again and again. Additionally, the Osara
>>>>>>>>> commands shift/control-shift-p claim there are no effects on
>>>>>>>>> the selected tracks. This leads me to believe that I'm just
>>>>>>>>> editing effect parameters, and there's some enable/persist
>>>>>>>>> step obvious in the UI but not apparent to accessibility. I
>>>>>>>>> think there's a bit in the performance settings dialog where
>>>>>>>>> it shows effect performance, but I never see the values climb
>>>>>>>>> above 0.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What am I missing? Trying to be patient but this is enormously
>>>>>>>>> frustrating. I'm a software developer with lots of experience,
>>>>>>>>> and Reaper shouldn't be *this* confusing. :) Audio editing
>>>>>>>>> sure, but I can't even apply an effect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
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