[Rwp] Help with noise removal

Mon May 23 22:51:20 EDT 2016

I think reaper can fix you right up.

On 5/23/2016 6:55 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> So basically I've recorded an audio demo of an app I'm building on an 
> Olympus DM 520. Unfortunately my old, better-quality mics are long 
> gone. I'm in the closet of a loud apartment complex and want to scoop 
> out the background hiss/traffic noise which I can't get rid of any 
> other way. I tried to speak slowly with spaces between sentences, but 
> some sentences got flubbed and need to be removed. There are also 
> points where somewhat quieter phone audio needs to be heard more 
> clearly, so I'll probably apply some compression to even out the 
> levels. The whole clip is probably 10 minutes, no longer than 15.
>
>
> It doesn't seem too demanding, and I thought Reaper plus its 
> accessibility plugin(s) would be a great way to improve my audio 
> editing chops. I don't care about nailing the quality, especially as I 
> start out by apologizing for the quality but noting that I'm working 
> with what I've got. I just wanted to clean it up a bit, and while I 
> agree that a good-quality recording is the best start, I unfortunately 
> don't have that.
>
>
>
> On 05/23/2016 06:46 PM, David Engebretson Jr wrote:
>> There is cross fading and auto ducking, is that what you mean?  Or do 
>> you have a jumble of little tracks you want to take clipped ends off 
>> of?  You can set up "chains" to automagically do repetitive things 
>> for you.
>>
>> If I were going to take the learning curve into audio editing again I 
>> would certainly do it with Reaper.  My willingness to struggle 
>> through learning curve is limited right now so I'll not dive in too 
>> much farther than immediate gratification.  I get enough 
>> gratification with hardware sliders, knobs, buttons, keys, and strings.
>>
>> Basically, it's way more simple to start with a good recording. 
>> Gnomesayin?
>>
>> Peace,
>> d
>>
>>
>>
>> Peace,
>> d
>> There are lots of ways to do it... lots of things pop up on Google... 
>> you might need to be more specific than "around segments".
>>
>> You can cross fade, auto duck, ... I only fade my stuff in at the 
>> beginning and out at the end if I don't do that manually with my mixer.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Nolan Darilek
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:20 PM
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Help with noise removal
>>
>> Noise removal, OK. What about auto-fading in and out around segments
>> where audio is removed? I found that aspect alone took up a whole lot of
>> time in my edits when I used Audacity.
>>
>>
>> Apologies, I know this is a bit tangential to Reaper, but this thread
>> kind of turned into one about me using the wrong tool for this job. And
>> that may very well be true, but I thought I'd done a reasonable amount
>> of due diligence and just wanted to know how to accessibly follow some
>> instructions I found.
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>> On 05/23/2016 05:55 PM, David Engebretson Jr wrote:
>>> I'm using Audacity 2.1.2, JAWS 17, and the latest Audacity scripts 
>>> from Gary Campbell.  It's quite straight forward to do noise removal.
>>>
>>> 1. select noise profile
>>> 2. select track to remove noise profile from
>>> 3. repeat until happy.
>>>
>>> Happiness can be difficult to find when learning curves are 
>>> involved. There's lots of willing folks ready to help on the 
>>> Audacity list.  Or, if you prefer, you can find me as David on 
>>> VORail and/or my email addy is: d.engebretson at comcast.net
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> d
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nolan Darilek
>>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:30 PM
>>> To: rwp at bluegrasspals.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Help with noise removal
>>>
>>> Thanks. My understanding, based on an albeit limited amount of 
>>> research,
>>> was that Reaper was better than Audacity for editing podcasts and
>>> podcast-like audio. In particular, I like that it auto fades in and out
>>> audio around deletions, something that took up lots of time with
>>> Audacity. Also, it is claimed that ReaFIR's noise removal algorithm is
>>> better than that of Audacity. I'm also not sure if Audacity's
>>> accessibility has improved over the last few years, but the last time I
>>> attempted to use it I didn't get spoken feedback for such useful but
>>> basic features as selecting sections of audio on a track. I could 
>>> select
>>> a track, but got no spoken feedback when attempting to remove a 
>>> piece of
>>> audio to strike out a flubbed sentence.
>>>
>>>
>>> So, unless Audacity access has improved, or a plugin will auto-fade
>>> audio around deletion points, I think Audacity will be more painful to
>>> use than would Reaper. I did some research regarding using it for
>>> podcast production and it seemed like a workable and better Audacity
>>> alternative. Did I just not do enough research?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/23/2016 04:55 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> Hi there:
>>>> In my opinion, perhaps you are not using the most useful tool for 
>>>> your needs. It is not related to your experience or skill level at 
>>>> all, but editing audio in reaper is like cooking a burger using a 
>>>> laser gun. it is doable, but, well, if audacity seems hard to 
>>>> handle for you, definitely reaper will be almost the same. Reaper"s 
>>>> philosofy is oriented for music production, I recomend you to take 
>>>> another look at audacity (it is a great software and prety 
>>>> accessible), goldwave, or soundforge, if you want to simply edit 
>>>> audio.
>>>> Talking about noise reduction, I never had success doing it in 
>>>> reaper, someone else could help you if possible; anyways, it is 
>>>> prety doable and easy in audacity, much easier, I am sure.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>> Y
>>>>
>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> El 23 may 2016, a las 19:19, Nolan Darilek 
>>>>> <nolan at thewordnerd.info> escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey all. New to Reaper and decided to give it a shot after 
>>>>> fighting with Audacity for years and feeling like it makes my 
>>>>> light audio editing a pain. I've been reading lots, and while 
>>>>> there's plenty of information out there, it seems to be presented 
>>>>> across several different sources and makes getting up and running 
>>>>> challenging. So apologies if there are basic answers to my 
>>>>> questions which I just haven't found.
>>>>>
>>>>> My setup is Reaper 5.20 with the Osara plugin running under NVDA. 
>>>>> I have a track recorded on a somewhat noisy digital recorder, so 
>>>>> my first task is removing noise.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've found this guide:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.homebrewaudio.com/reafir-madness-hidden-noise-reduction-tool-in-reaper/ 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To make my task easier, I recorded about 30 seconds of ambient 
>>>>> noise on my recorder before my voice begins. I set the loop 
>>>>> start/end points, enabled repeat, ensured that the track contains 
>>>>> only noise. Then I followed these instructions right up to the 
>>>>> point where I'm told to close the effects window, which I can't 
>>>>> seem to do. What I do is enable the Create Noise Profile checkbox 
>>>>> and play my noise, but nothing I do ever gets it removed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, this article seems to imply that eventually you'll hear 
>>>>> silence, because the noise filter will remove the noise from the 
>>>>> repeated track. I never hear silence. Instead, I hear my noisy 
>>>>> loop repeated again and again. Additionally, the Osara commands 
>>>>> shift/control-shift-p claim there are no effects on the selected 
>>>>> tracks. This leads me to believe that I'm just editing effect 
>>>>> parameters, and there's some enable/persist step obvious in the UI 
>>>>> but not apparent to accessibility. I think there's a bit in the 
>>>>> performance settings dialog where it shows effect performance, but 
>>>>> I never see the values climb above 0.
>>>>>
>>>>> What am I missing? Trying to be patient but this is enormously 
>>>>> frustrating. I'm a software developer with lots of experience, and 
>>>>> Reaper shouldn't be *this* confusing. :) Audio editing sure, but I 
>>>>> can't even apply an effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
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