[Rwp] Perhaps a Bit OT: Silent Fan

Mon Mar 14 20:05:50 EDT 2016

My only comment on the window unit is that it's still a big hole to the 
outside world.
So if you have noise outside it will leak in through there.
But sounds like you have a handle on things now and you know what you want.
Good luck with it all.

On 3/14/2016 11:51 AM, Marion & Martin wrote:
> Chris,
>
> 	We have a contractor coming out on Wednesday to get an estimate on a
> new heat pump. I know the window unit is problematic and needs to go. I
> won't get rid of it, though, until I am certain the heat pump and duct fan
> will serve its purpose. If it doesn't, I may just keep the window unit for
> extra cooling when a mic isn't open.
>
> 	As for the room, if I invest the same money in the entire room I
> would on a smaller booth, it may come out to be the same amount, if not,
> just a bit more.
>
> Marion
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 2:02 AM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Perhaps a Bit OT: Silent Fan
>
> YOu really need to ditch that window ac if you can.
> I like the idea of an extra big unit for the house and taking air from that,
> or you can do something like a small unit outside the garage, and a feeder
> duct to bring air in to it.
> But you're just aggrevating things with that big noisy ac right in the
> window.
> there's no way to quiet that down,
>
>
> On 3/11/2016 3:16 PM, Marion & Martin wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> 	Everyone is telling me that the concrete walls and floors should be
>> sufficient to stop any outside noise; however, I still have the issue
>> with the window and the AC window unit. If I close off the window with
>> that 2-inch polyfoam stuff they have at Lowes with a bit of foam on
>> the back to dampen the window vibrations, I might be able to achieve
>> the soundproofing I am trying to achieve, the remaining issue though
>> is the window AC. Any ideas of how to stop that noise from
>> infiltrating my recordings without building a separate room?we are
>> getting a new central unit in a couple months, so I am thinking of
>> perhaps getting a 1/2 ton larger unit and installing a duct fan to get
>> a little more air flow back to that room. It gets a little warm during
>> the Florida summers since the room is on the south side of the house
> getting direct sun for at least 8 hours daily!
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris
>> Belle
>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 3:36 PM
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Perhaps a Bit OT: Silent Fan
>>
>> Just use mineral wool anyplace instead of fiberglass.
>> I don't llike fiberglass, it's too light to really absorb anything,
>> and it's nasty stuf.
>> I'd even prefer that blow in stuff celulose to fiberglass.
>> Carpet is good anyplace,
>> and concrete walls you're in pretty good shape there, that's nice.
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/2016 2:23 PM, Marion & Martin wrote:
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> 	Thank you very much for your suggestions. I have considered creating
>>> some duct work with a couple turns in it and insulated with foam,
>> something
>>> like the eg crate mattress covers, bringing the fan from the floor to
>>> a
>> vent
>>> in the ceiling. Lowes sells 2-inch polyfoam wallboard and I am
>>> considering using this on both the inside and outside of the room
>>> with R-30 insulation in the frame space. I have also considered using
>>> a double layer of carpet padding on the floor and even floating the
>>> frame on it. Using an acoustic caulk to attach the wallboard might be
>>> a good idea. Since the room in
>> which
>>> the booth will be located is a converted garage, the walls are
>>> concrete block with an 8-inch concrete foundation. The biggest
>>> concern I have from the room - other than the window unit, is the 5 X
>>> 8 window that acts like
>> a
>>> drum when a loud motorcycle or car goes by, especially when they are
>> blaring
>>> the bass!
>>>
>>> 	I am thinking about making a YouTube video of the construction just
>>> for fun. Any other ideas are greatly appreciated!
>>>
>>> Peace!
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris
>>> Belle
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:16 PM
>>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Perhaps a Bit OT: Silent Fan
>>>
>>> If you go to
>>> www.acousticalsolutions.com
>>> that's where we got a lot of our studio treatment stuff.
>>> The basic idea is you want larger, slow moving fans.
>>> Also sound can't go around corners and turns and such as well, so an
>>> insulated duct that winds around a bit will help to stop sound.
>>> YOu can get quiet promoting bent covers as well.
>>> When we did the studio here, we made the intake vents on our ac a lot
>>> bigger, slowed down the fans, and made flex duct instead of those
>>> metal ducts which are noisy as heck and transmit lots of sound.
>>> YOu can get non-conductive flex duct and put it far away from your fan.
>>> Of course your efficiency goes down a bit but if you insulate it,
>>> that
>> will
>>> help, you also might consider using that vent you pulled from the
>>> house to cool your booth which is a lot smaller space, and you can
>>> turn off the window unit when you are recording but not out in the
> control room.
>>> That won't work when a band is in there, but if you are working
>>> yourself, you can sort of work it that way.
>>> Those window units are noisy, you might need to really isolate that
>>> booth
>> to
>>> keep all the noise out, we used resiliant channel and double sheet
>>> rock
>> and
>>> mass loaded vynal, and all that stuff, had I to do it over again, I
>>> think I'd give up a little more room and do double walls all the way
>>> around, we live right by the road and there's a whole lot of noise,
>>> and there's only
>> so
>>> much you can do in an old wooden house.
>>> It's pretty good none the less, we dropped a bundle for us, but the
>> general
>>> idea is the more layers you have and isolating the layers from each
>>> other, and using mass, that stops noise.
>>> I don't know what your floor is, but you might consider floating the
>>> booth as well.
>>> Most commercial studios have a nice concrete or cynder block outside
>>> to start with to isolate noise, it can get crazy expensive, and the
>>> trouble
>> is
>>> that most contractors don't have the first idea of how to really do
>>> this,
>> so
>>> but you can get no brainer products like led impregnated sheetrock,
>>> and green glue can be put between your sheetrock layers to help
>>> isolate them from each other, and you can do things like leave space
>>> around your edges
>> so
>>> nothing touches and use acoustical calk so you're cutting down
>> transmission
>>> to adjacent walls, I like mineral wool too, way better than fiber
>>> glass,
>> and
>>> don't forget about your ceiling as well, we did a bit of a dropped
>> ceiling.
>>> they should have some good ideas for you over at that site and good luck.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/10/2016 11:50 AM, Marion & Martin wrote:
>>>> Friends,
>>>>
>>>>                    I am preparing to build a soundproof recording
>>>> booth in my studio space. The studio space is a converted garage in
>>>> which a central AC duct was pulled from the existing system;
>>>> however, it doesn't do a very good job at cooling, especially during
>>>> the Florida summer months, partly because the room is on the south
>>>> side of the house with little shade. As the result, I have installed
>>>> a window unit and it does an excellent job cooling the room. The
>>>> challenge for me is that it is quite noisy, especially with an open
>>>> mic. This is the reason for my interest in building a room inside the
> room.
>>>> This recording booth will be about 6 (L) X 8 (W) X 7 (H). Somehow I
>>>> need to ventilate the room to bring in cool air without creating
>>>> noise. Has anyone on this list already solved this problem or have
>>>> information that would help me do so? All input is greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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