[Rwp] Perhaps a Bit OT: Silent Fan

Mon Mar 14 12:51:15 EDT 2016

Chris,

	We have a contractor coming out on Wednesday to get an estimate on a
new heat pump. I know the window unit is problematic and needs to go. I
won't get rid of it, though, until I am certain the heat pump and duct fan
will serve its purpose. If it doesn't, I may just keep the window unit for
extra cooling when a mic isn't open. 

	As for the room, if I invest the same money in the entire room I
would on a smaller booth, it may come out to be the same amount, if not,
just a bit more. 

Marion

-----Original Message-----
From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 2:02 AM
To: Reapers Without Peepers
Subject: Re: [Rwp] Perhaps a Bit OT: Silent Fan

YOu really need to ditch that window ac if you can.
I like the idea of an extra big unit for the house and taking air from that,
or you can do something like a small unit outside the garage, and a feeder
duct to bring air in to it.
But you're just aggrevating things with that big noisy ac right in the
window.
there's no way to quiet that down,

On 3/11/2016 3:16 PM, Marion & Martin wrote:
> Chris,
>
> 	Everyone is telling me that the concrete walls and floors should be 
> sufficient to stop any outside noise; however, I still have the issue 
> with the window and the AC window unit. If I close off the window with 
> that 2-inch polyfoam stuff they have at Lowes with a bit of foam on 
> the back to dampen the window vibrations, I might be able to achieve 
> the soundproofing I am trying to achieve, the remaining issue though 
> is the window AC. Any ideas of how to stop that noise from 
> infiltrating my recordings without building a separate room?we are 
> getting a new central unit in a couple months, so I am thinking of 
> perhaps getting a 1/2 ton larger unit and installing a duct fan to get 
> a little more air flow back to that room. It gets a little warm during 
> the Florida summers since the room is on the south side of the house
getting direct sun for at least 8 hours daily!
>
> Marion
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris 
> Belle
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 3:36 PM
> To: Reapers Without Peepers
> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Perhaps a Bit OT: Silent Fan
>
> Just use mineral wool anyplace instead of fiberglass.
> I don't llike fiberglass, it's too light to really absorb anything, 
> and it's nasty stuf.
> I'd even prefer that blow in stuff celulose to fiberglass.
> Carpet is good anyplace,
> and concrete walls you're in pretty good shape there, that's nice.
>
>
> On 3/11/2016 2:23 PM, Marion & Martin wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> 	Thank you very much for your suggestions. I have considered creating

>> some duct work with a couple turns in it and insulated with foam,
> something
>> like the eg crate mattress covers, bringing the fan from the floor to 
>> a
> vent
>> in the ceiling. Lowes sells 2-inch polyfoam wallboard and I am 
>> considering using this on both the inside and outside of the room 
>> with R-30 insulation in the frame space. I have also considered using 
>> a double layer of carpet padding on the floor and even floating the 
>> frame on it. Using an acoustic caulk to attach the wallboard might be 
>> a good idea. Since the room in
> which
>> the booth will be located is a converted garage, the walls are 
>> concrete block with an 8-inch concrete foundation. The biggest 
>> concern I have from the room - other than the window unit, is the 5 X 
>> 8 window that acts like
> a
>> drum when a loud motorcycle or car goes by, especially when they are
> blaring
>> the bass!
>>
>> 	I am thinking about making a YouTube video of the construction just 
>> for fun. Any other ideas are greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Peace!
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: RWP [mailto:rwp-bounces at bluegrasspals.com] On Behalf Of Chris 
>> Belle
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:16 PM
>> To: Reapers Without Peepers
>> Subject: Re: [Rwp] Perhaps a Bit OT: Silent Fan
>>
>> If you go to
>> www.acousticalsolutions.com
>> that's where we got a lot of our studio treatment stuff.
>> The basic idea is you want larger, slow moving fans.
>> Also sound can't go around corners and turns and such as well, so an 
>> insulated duct that winds around a bit will help to stop sound.
>> YOu can get quiet promoting bent covers as well.
>> When we did the studio here, we made the intake vents on our ac a lot 
>> bigger, slowed down the fans, and made flex duct instead of those 
>> metal ducts which are noisy as heck and transmit lots of sound.
>> YOu can get non-conductive flex duct and put it far away from your fan.
>> Of course your efficiency goes down a bit but if you insulate it, 
>> that
> will
>> help, you also might consider using that vent you pulled from the 
>> house to cool your booth which is a lot smaller space, and you can 
>> turn off the window unit when you are recording but not out in the
control room.
>> That won't work when a band is in there, but if you are working 
>> yourself, you can sort of work it that way.
>> Those window units are noisy, you might need to really isolate that 
>> booth
> to
>> keep all the noise out, we used resiliant channel and double sheet 
>> rock
> and
>> mass loaded vynal, and all that stuff, had I to do it over again, I 
>> think I'd give up a little more room and do double walls all the way 
>> around, we live right by the road and there's a whole lot of noise, 
>> and there's only
> so
>> much you can do in an old wooden house.
>> It's pretty good none the less, we dropped a bundle for us, but the
> general
>> idea is the more layers you have and isolating the layers from each 
>> other, and using mass, that stops noise.
>> I don't know what your floor is, but you might consider floating the 
>> booth as well.
>> Most commercial studios have a nice concrete or cynder block outside 
>> to start with to isolate noise, it can get crazy expensive, and the 
>> trouble
> is
>> that most contractors don't have the first idea of how to really do 
>> this,
> so
>> but you can get no brainer products like led impregnated sheetrock, 
>> and green glue can be put between your sheetrock layers to help 
>> isolate them from each other, and you can do things like leave space 
>> around your edges
> so
>> nothing touches and use acoustical calk so you're cutting down
> transmission
>> to adjacent walls, I like mineral wool too, way better than fiber 
>> glass,
> and
>> don't forget about your ceiling as well, we did a bit of a dropped
> ceiling.
>> they should have some good ideas for you over at that site and good luck.
>>
>>
>> On 3/10/2016 11:50 AM, Marion & Martin wrote:
>>> Friends,
>>>
>>>                   I am preparing to build a soundproof recording 
>>> booth in my studio space. The studio space is a converted garage in 
>>> which a central AC duct was pulled from the existing system; 
>>> however, it doesn't do a very good job at cooling, especially during 
>>> the Florida summer months, partly because the room is on the south 
>>> side of the house with little shade. As the result, I have installed 
>>> a window unit and it does an excellent job cooling the room. The 
>>> challenge for me is that it is quite noisy, especially with an open 
>>> mic. This is the reason for my interest in building a room inside the
room.
>>>
>>> This recording booth will be about 6 (L) X 8 (W) X 7 (H). Somehow I 
>>> need to ventilate the room to bring in cool air without creating 
>>> noise. Has anyone on this list already solved this problem or have 
>>> information that would help me do so? All input is greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
>>>
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