[Rwp] snapping automation envelopes

Sun Mar 13 22:31:15 EDT 2016

Ah, the light comes on 'grin'.
Well, I'm loving automation in reaper finally,
I can have my cake and eat it any way I like with no compromises.
And fix stuf, boy howdy.
This is what we've missed out on for years, now we can finally do it.

On 3/13/2016 9:25 PM, James Teh wrote:
> Constantly moving or static probably aren't the right ways to think 
> about it. There are just points at various points along the timeline. 
> How those points actually affect the content in between depends on the 
> shape. If it's linear, the line drawn between will be a straight 
> diagonal from one point to the next. If it's square, it goes straight 
> along the top and then changes at a right angle to the next point, 
> hence the snap.
>
> As I understand it, Sonar snapshots are just square envelope points. I 
> believe Sonar has envelopes too for sighted people, but they aren't 
> accessible to blind users. We can only snapshot or automate. Both of 
> those show up as "shape" events, though.
>
> Jamie
>
> On 14/03/2016 10:42 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
>> So since reaper insists on a constatly moving envelope instead of a 
>> static one with all it's points,
>> like a rubber band always wanting to flex between the points instead 
>> of stayin where you put it till you change it like sonar does, midi 
>> style, then if you use square points
>> then you can achieve that snap shot type of editing which I am used to.
>> But that weird sounding envelope type
>> the last one I have no idea what that does.
>> When I tried some experimenting it acted like linear,
>> now what might be kind of cool would be to have things like exponential
>> but you can achieve that using more points, or playing with the 
>> distance between two points nad using fast in or out,
>> being so used to sonar's stock sort of automation I'm going to have 
>> fun re-educating myself as to the possibilities,
>> and probably pull my hair out a few times till I get used to this.
>> Ah well,
>> fun times.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/13/2016 7:28 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>> Well, I can't quite get my chuckle head around the visuals of it 
>>> either, and Patrick is a lot smarter than I am 'grin'.
>>> The way I looked at it was like a square, I imagined a volume curve 
>>> linear dips down or up uniformly between two points, but a square 
>>> doesn't change the sides are straight.
>>> I know you can have one of those messed up tilted squares, can't 
>>> remember what that's called, been a lot of years since I took 
>>> geometry 'grin',
>>> so maybe I'm way off base, but if the angle of the curve doesn't 
>>> change, then things stay the same till you hit the next envelope point.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/13/2016 7:07 PM, James Teh wrote:
>>>> No; it's a snap between the two points. I can see why you'd say 
>>>> that, since that's how a square wave might work. However, waves are 
>>>> always cycles, whereas envelopes only have the points you draw. If 
>>>> you draw a line from point 1 to point 2, that's half a square. You 
>>>> could imagine the other half being invisible going from point 2 
>>>> back to point 1 in the same shape.
>>>>
>>>> On 14/03/2016 9:59 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>> I would have thought that, with a square shape, the change would 
>>>>> have happened exactly half way between the two envelope points. 
>>>>> Maybe not.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/13/2016 6:11 PM, James Teh wrote:
>>>>>> As noted earlier though, setting the shape to square should allow 
>>>>>> you to
>>>>>> do this with only two points.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14/03/2016 8:08 AM, Patrick Perdue wrote:
>>>>>>> Yep. That's what I ended up doing. Literally just stuck the third
>>>>>>> envelope point 1 ms after the second.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/13/2016 5:31 PM, Snowman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Three points?  One at the start with 16%r, and two immediately 
>>>>>>>> adjacent
>>>>>>>> points at the switchover position.  the first is 16%r, and the 
>>>>>>>> second,
>>>>>>>> millisecondes later, is 16%l.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Perdue"
>>>>>>>> <patrick at pdaudio.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "Reapers Without Peepers" <rwp at bluegrasspals.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:03 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rwp] snapping automation envelopes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK...
>>>>>>>>> So, I'm still trying to figure out the basics of track 
>>>>>>>>> automation from
>>>>>>>>> OSARA's point-of-view.
>>>>>>>>> I have a track that is panned 16% right for 32 minutes. At 
>>>>>>>>> this point,
>>>>>>>>> I want it to snap to 16% left. If I create two envelope 
>>>>>>>>> points, the
>>>>>>>>> track, somewhat expected, gradually slides from 16% right to 
>>>>>>>>> 16% left
>>>>>>>>> over 32 minutes, which is, of course, what I don't want to 
>>>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>>>> What is the best way to handle this sort of situation?
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